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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Welcome, Montrigon,
I'm sure a more local will be around with definite knowledge. You might want to change the thread title to indicate the question a little more clearly?
In Chamonix you need to have a valid "Carte Residence" or maybe a Carte Gens de Pays for good discounts. You qualify for the Carte Res be paying correct local taxes, which as an owner you will have to do.
There are then various purchasing windows, the earlier you buy the cheaper it is.
We get extra discounts by buying a couple's card.
You probably want to a. subscribe to the local lift companies newsletters and b. investigate what info you can get from said company and maybe the Mairie. Our Mairie issues Carte Res and it takes about 2 weeks to process. So you want to get that under way sooner rather than later.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thank you for your help, I am new to this and have not got a
clue what to do i.e. thread name, any help love to
hear it?
All your advise I will look into, thank you
I wish I was good with this stuff too....
Chrissie 
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Montrigon, change it to "Owner's season pass in Les Arcs?" - go back and edit your original heading.
Not all resorts do discounts to property owners. Some do discounts for anyone who buys early (best discount often for buying before end October). They might only just be getting all the information together though - they're all still busy with the summer season.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Montrigon, if you created the thread (which you did) then if you click on the little scissors icon to the right of the original post, you'll be able to edit the thread title as well as the post.
I'd change it to something like "How do I buy cheap Les Arcs/Paradiski season passes" or some such.
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A key point in the Les Arcs area is whether you pay local income tax. If so I think that it's during september that you can get the real cheap deal from the lift pass offices (I saw a really naff notice last year on the board inside Super-U, easy to miss). I tried blagging "of course I pay tax locally - habitation and fonciere. only to be met with a benign smile of the "we know how to keep within European rules and still exclude as many foreigners as possible" type and sent on my way.
There is of course the early bird season pass, available via the website and indeed available to all. Not such a good deal, but a decent discount. Had a quick look but there are no details online yet.
Have you seen this?
http://www.nirvanalps.com/
loyalty thing meant for people hiring out accommodation, might be of interest.
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Montrigon, Just double checked, for Chamonix you can get a "Carte Residence Secondaire" qualified by Taxe Foncier (or whatever it's called now). That gets you discount which vary depending on when you buy your season pass.
I know that the situation in the various PDS resorts are quite different. And I don't understand how any of them get around European rules. But long may it continue.
Ask as soon as you can at the Mairie and the lift office. Cham starts selling in early October. Big price hike at end October and no discount after November 15 IIRC. It's not always well publicised on the website.
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think you are in the paradiski area? skialacarte.fr was worth using before. see also: http://www.skipass-laplagne.com/ and the edenski thing (this covers the whole area). as others say above, you need to be fully tax paying local to do better. if you are not in paradiski, i am losing the plot and apologise
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I would PM snowhead rob@rar and say pretty please as he owns an apt in Les Arcs. There's also a chap who runs a small business near you that writes this blog:
http://grangedalice.blogspot.fr/
He's also a snowhead but I cant remember his username for the life of me.
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Montrigon, You can normally buy the Paradiski season pass at a discounted rate if you buy it before the end of November. I doubt you will qualify for the 'locals' rate as you will not meet the criteria and being an owner of a second home gives you no real privelege when it comes to purchasing a lift pass.
You can see more information in snowcrazy's Les Arcs thread (it is about 50 pages long though) or look at his posts on this thread about the La Plagne season pass http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=81248&highlight=
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Guys, I have been brave and sorted the new thread name!! Thanks for all your help, we pay our local taxes but not income tax:-( we work out of UK:-) I will look into more of what you have said and let you know how I get on...it's all so confusing...all I know is I love it here, the snow, resort and people who we have met are fab, just wish we could spend a little less!!!!
We are here at the mo, the weather is nice and been out and about, walking , riding our bikes..... Saw marmots today, how cool is that?
If anyone knows anything else please advise
Over and out for now
Montrigon.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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All resorts are different but next door in the EK you only need your Taxe Fonciere bill to get so much off. More if you register with the Tignes Proprietors' scheme and if you get 16 weeks occupancy its then half price until mid nov.
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Montrigon, I just saw your post. If you send me a PM either here or over on my Les Arcs Winter facebook page or the Les Arcs Summer facebook page I can answer most of your questions about being an owner in this area. Some interesting comments on here, but many do not apply to Les Arcs and the Bourg commune. Do not buy an Edenski season pass. If it stops working you will have to drive to La Plagne to get it fixed instead of two minutes down to Bourg on the funi from where you live.
If you want to meet for a chat and drink or even get out on the mountain when it stops raining. I am around for a few more days. PM me.
https://www.facebook.com/LesArcsWinter or https://www.facebook.com/LesArcsSummer
You can also follow the Les Arcs season thread on snowheads which runs each season. The current thread for this year is here.
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=102352&start=600
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You know it makes sense.
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In most resorts, getting the "resident" season pass depends on whether your Taxe d'Habitation statement is marked with a "P" for Primary residence or "S" for Secondary. It has to be "P" to get the locals' price.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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There used to be a discount for owners of holiday property on Les Arcs/Paradiski, but this was discontinued a few years back (can't remember exactly why, by "EU rules" seems to ring a bell). All that seems to be on offer now is the early bird discounted rate which is publicly available, which I think must be ordered by 10 December or thereabouts.
There is a scheme for property owners to encourage them to rent their place during the season. Points are accrued by your guests when they buy a lift pass (they get a small discount on the lift pass price), and with sufficient points you can get free lift passes - the more points you accrue the more free days you get (up to a free season pass). You will need to open an account and register your property with http://www.nirvanalps.com/ (copy of one of the local tax bills is sufficient to prove ownership).
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Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar, how do they track your guests, especially if you aren't there to shepherd them?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| rob@rar, how do they track your guests, especially if you aren't there to shepherd them? |
Your guest needs to take a little card with a barcode printed on it to the lift pass office (have a few of these cards in my apartment attached to keys). Barcode is scanned and points accredited to the owners account. The scheme isn't perfect, e.g. it doesn't seem to work for guests who buy their passes online, but if you have a lot of guests during the season the points will steadily build up. I don't rent out my place that often so the scheme isn't of much value to me, although I think I'm within striking distance of enough points for a free season pass.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar, Montrigon, There is still a scheme through NirvanaAlps for leaseback owners - which has to be validated by your rental agent (in our case PnV) that gets us quite a few pennies off when we buy up to 7 passes at a time, 3 times a season.
So long as they are bought on the same transaction, they can be of varying length, and a mix 'n match of Arcs or Paradiski. It can get quite complex working out which passes work best on that scheme, and which to buy though other discount options... (including the aforementioned early bird season passes - I think the cut-over point for them is anyone skiing more than 3.5 weeks?)
I think you're right though Rob: as an independent, you get points towards your own ski passes through your renters, and aren't eligible for the 'instant' discounts. (and if you are, let me know! It may be a contributing factor in the ongoing "Are we going to continue in leaseback?" debate)
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From the La Plagne perspective of Paradiski passes, today the only way for second home owners to get a discount is though Edenski before the December cut off. A season pass breaks even after around two and a half weeks skiing (and a season pass automatically gets summer passes free of charge). As mentioned above some EU rule came into play and the Residents association were no longer able to be given special discounts not available to the general public.
Local residents who can prove they live there year round still get a good deal! This from 2011
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Arctic Roll wrote: |
| ... and if you are, let me know! It may be a contributing factor in the ongoing "Are we going to continue in leaseback?" debate |
Not as far as I know. The only scheme which I think applies to me is the points scheme. Unfortunately I don't ski in Les Arcs as often as I would like and haven't had a season pass for the last three seasons, so I tend to use the points for free or discounted weekly passes.
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Arctic Roll, We are not part of a leaseback scheme but as owners still get a much higher discount that available to our renters. I have never been asked for ID at the lift pass office, just hand over the purple card. We let our apartment via alpes-horizons. (which reminds me where did I put that card?)
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johnE
Any more details? Are you referring to Les Arcs ?
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