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I assume chances that in another 4 months this will have spread to Europe and disrupting travel are negligible?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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1. Why would it spread to Europe, at all, never mind to any appreciable extent?
2. Why would it disrupt travel?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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peanuthead, the World Health Organisation are giving it some thought. In the meantime, there's probably no point our doing so too. The possibility of ebola disrupting people's ski holidays is probably high on the WHO list of priorities.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Wed 6-08-14 20:36; edited 1 time in total
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I can see it getting to London, I gather plenty of bushmeat is smuggled in.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Spain are transferring an infected patient to Madrid.
Do Spanish doctors and nurses like to ski?
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peanuthead, given the number of health workers already killed by ebola because of caring for people with the disease, that's probably not the key question. What are you getting at?
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The question really isn't of it getting to Europe, but whether it does anything when it does. You'd have to be incredibly unlucky (and probably a health worker) to catch it.
See also, http://qz.com/244745/its-nearly-impossible-to-get-ebola-in-new-york-so-why-is-everyone-freaking-out/ not 100% correct, but a reasonable summary of the risk (i.e., not at all high).
You may substitute almost anywhere in Western Europe for New York and it's the same thing.
Yeah, what are you getting at?
Oh and it was "in" Europe in 1994, notice anything then?
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Wed 6-08-14 22:04; edited 1 time in total
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Would worry more about flu
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Generally speaking, really nasty, very infectious, viruses are too successful to be successful and kill their hosts too quickly to be truly damaging.
It's why the cold and flu are the biggest killers.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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emwmarine, and I have bloody man flu at the moment, in the middle of the summer!! Yes im odd, I know 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The biggest risk with the current outbreak of ebola is that the disease mutates and either becomes less good at killing people or (more likely) finds a way of being transmitted more effectively.
The Gruniad coverage has been very interesting...
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Avoid skiing in Sierra Leone!
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You know it makes sense.
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Do you expect to come into close physical contact with anyone whilst skiing?!  |
Only with snow boarders who don't watch where they are going and run into you
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Little Martin, Just be sure not to exchange bodily fluids with them then 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Avoid skiing in Sierra Leone
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would imagine with a country like the UK and its huge West African immigrant population the chances are very high. Heathrow has more flights to West Africa than any other European Nation. I know BA has suspended some routes but I do not think it is enough until the outbreak is under control . Certainly stop flights to Nigeria.
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stanton, It does make me wonder if any flight staff for BA / other companies could sue their respective employer (if they got infected) for flying them into an infected area
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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stanton, Shouldn't you be worrying about malaria instead.
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stanton, no, the chances are still really, really low.
PaulC1984, You don't get infected by flying into an infected area. You only get infected by body fluid contamination. An interesting paper here. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full NB "
Now, if you fly in for work and spend your down time getting all jiggy with anyone vomiting, making frequent loo stops and bleeding from their eyeballs, it's hardly your employer's fault is it?
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under a new name, Sorry should have made myself more clear, I understand bodily fluid etc but what about the mile high club 
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PaulC1984, You can also catch it by eating something infected, fruitbat probably isn't on BA's in flight menu though.
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Dustin Hoffman told me he won't risk skiing this year.
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rjs, it could very well be on sleazy jets though!!
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| stanton wrote: |
| I would imagine with a country like the UK and its huge West African immigrant population the chances are very high. |
You'd imagine that, yes. Happily, in the real world there are better ways to assess risk than human imagination
The chances are remote. If it ever made it here, the chances of it spreading are also remote. You should be more afraid of new strains of the flu, or antibiotic resistant TB.
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| PaulC1984, You can also catch it by eating something infected, fruitbat probably isn't on BA's in flight menu though. |
You can contract it from the bodily fluids of infected animals. So unless BA were doing fruitbat sashimi, you'd be fine.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Serriadh, Sounds a nice inflight meal to me!! Perhaps we should suggest it
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PaulC1984, ah. I still the D & V and the hemorrhagic symptoms might be a little unappealing to most.
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You know it makes sense.
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ppppfffttt itss nothing compared to man flu, I'm sure we will cope
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unless BA were doing fruitbat sashimi
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only in First Class so most of us should be fine.
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Poster: A snowHead
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pam w,
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| FlyingStantoni wrote: |
The biggest risk with the current outbreak of ebola is that the disease mutates and either becomes less good at killing people or (more likely) finds a way of being transmitted more effectively.
The Gruniad coverage has been very interesting... |
This is the critical point.
Bubonic plague had been around for years prior to the Black Death, but only transmissible through close bodily fluid contact. Then it mutated into a form transmissible by respiratory droplet causing pneumonic form and wiped out half the population of Europe
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| peanuthead wrote: |
This is the critical point.
Bubonic plague had been around for years prior to the Black Death, but only transmissible through close bodily fluid contact. Then it mutated into a form transmissible by respiratory droplet causing pneumonic form and wiped out half the population of Europe |
The pneumonic form isn't a mutation though; its just a way that the infection can progress. Given a large enough body of infected people, it just happens as a natural feature of bacteria-host interaction.
There's perhaps a risk of developing a less rapidly lethal form of ebola - one that takes longer to kill, or remains latent longer sand so can be spread more easily, but that sort of thing doesn't just pop up overnight. Merely jumping the species gap to humans is a pretty tall order, and further development in such an unfriendly environment is tricky, to say the least. Compare to another nasty zoonotic virus, smallpox: it jumped the species gap but didn't change much after that. Nasty flu viruses arise in animals and are hazardous because they jump the species gap and so bring in a fresh set of traits our immune systems are unfamiliar with, not because an existing human-infecting strain mutated all by itself.
The risk of a new flu epidemic arising is much higher, but haemhorragic fevers are so much more unpleasant people worry about them far more than they warrant.
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Serriadh, Which leads my back to my point that man flu is worse!! Developed an mutated in women and then passed on to us!
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Ebola is already in the UK.
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stanton, feared or confirmed?
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By which you presumably mean a few unverified cases who have been quarantined, yes?
There certainly doesn't seem to be any other news out there from the past two days, so unless you have inside knowledge I'm gonna have to go with 'no, ebola probably isn't in the uk'. And if it were, the people involved have been quarantined.
In fact, it looks like there aren't any confirmed cases in Europe, let alone the UK, with the exception of the one Spanish guy who was known to be ill already and sent back for treatment. But, y'know, irrational scaremongering FTW, right?
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One (1) [Stanton, to be clear, that's more than none but less than two (2)] unconfirmed (uann> not even "suspected") case - from the oracular Daily Express we hear,
"...confirmed that the unnamed patient from Cardiff... contacted them after feeling ill on their return to British .... They were effectively quarantined in their own home and ... speak to doctors on a daily basis until the threat was deemed to have passed.
Public Health Wales said the patient believed they "may have been exposed" to the virus which has (sad stuff in poor countries)."
Spokesperson ... said: "We have known about this person for the last week - somebody travelled in West Africa and came back a week ago. They identified they may have been exposed to Ebola. The reason we haven't spoken about this before is the individual is not currently a case of ebola."
She said there was "no risk to the public" posed by the quarantined traveller and stressed that the case is unconfirmed."
Redaction by my own fair hand.
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We have palpable proof that BSE is in Holland . . . Though the exchange of bodily fluids would appear to be remote.
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