 Poster: A snowHead
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The St Anton piste death thread. Went inaccessible then vanished?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yeah, I was looking for that too, guess it was deleted due to some of the comments? Read it briefly earlier but wanted another read through, were a couple of posts I wanted to reply to IIRC in light of info I got in resort today.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Possibly the crass, insensitive post from a  was enough to have it pulled.
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fatbob, I'm guessing, but presumably as it was a searcheable thread discussing the death of a GB skier the mods/admin have removed it from view whilst they consider how to address a certain post it in it which was heavily criticised....
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well, whatever the reason, I'm glad it's gone. Did Snowheads no favours at all. 
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Hmm 130 ft slide for life plus 43 ft travel in air colliding 10 ft up a fixed object....if reported correctly that'd a hell of a velocity and blunt force trauma regardless of safety gear.
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Read that Daily Fail article and echo the comment by Ray Zorro that a helmet would have made little difference. Thoughts go out to the family.
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Please do not turn this thread into a helmet debate.
Condolences to his family.
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Are we debating whether or not altis is a helmet?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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pam w, I think it did ONE poster no favours
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I reckon he was probably three sheets to the wind and just ejaculated a half-joke half-rant out of turn all over his keyboard, quite honestly.
I can't think of anyone else who would do that sort of thing, no siree bob. Nope.
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Mr Pieholeo, had it been last night...
but he made his post this morning - he could still have been pi$$ed, but Its less of a cert
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You know it makes sense.
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Yes, well I can still sympathise with writing something down that you know is going to end badly, staring at it in the preview box for 5 minutes, and then pressing Submit anyway. Maybe he's a terribly depressed nihilist crying for help, howling into the infinite darkness, desperate for attention and love. Maybe he's just a fan of eugenics. We'll probably never know.
In any case, the post was substantially not terribly different to every year when the Darwin awards go round, and everyone goes 'LOL, what a pillock, diving into that cement mixer! It's probably best that he's not able to breed any more LOL!" or whatever.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I reckon I delete 25% of my posts before submitting, some offensive some just so boring I can't subject you to them.
What's really sad is the dross I post are the ones I consider worthy.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Mr Pieholeo, I dunno - other than the Jade Goody thread I think most SH are quite respectful in the event of a death?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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My friends daughter is ok, but her friends saw it happen. Not sure how they are.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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NE1, your daughter is skiing with the people involved?
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Fang run - not a good place to be when it's very hardpacked or very busy
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| Mr Pieholeo, I dunno - other than the Jade Goody thread I think most SH are quite respectful in the event of a death? |
He has a point about the Darwin Awards though
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Like fatbob says it was apparently on the Fang run as it met the blue, which at high speed can be tricky to manage. Very sad.
I can only imagine the thread was cut because of the stunningly crass post this morning, which sadly said far more about the person posting than the content of the post itself.
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I didn't see the original thread but a very tragic story.
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Doubt a helmet would have helped at all, RIP!
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I hate threads on deaths. Had a situation with a friend who died riding a horse in a competition. His mother was on a flight from the UK to New Zeland. She found out about her sons death via facebook, social media and news sites whilst on the plane!! can you imagine her pain waiting for the plane to land, and then the flight back to the UK!!
THINK PEOPLE!!
RIP to the skier and thoughts to the family
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| Mr Pieholeo wrote: |
| In any case, the post was substantially not terribly different to every year when the Darwin awards go round, and everyone goes 'LOL, what a pillock, diving into that cement mixer! It's probably best that he's not able to breed any more LOL!" or whatever. |
I agree. I saw the post as it happened and, although it was delivered in a brutal fashion and although I went "ouch" because of the circumstances, I can't help feeling he was partly saying what some people might have been thinking so why not get it out in the open? From the reports it sounds like the guy must have been skiing somewhat outside his operational envelope and therefore a danger to himself (clearly) and others. The immovable object he hit after an implausibly accurate 43 feet of flight could have been you or your kid. Then how would the debate play out? Whatever, these incidents are always tragic.
By the way, the Daily Mail's obsession with his helmetlessness is absurd given the physics.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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From the reports it sounds like the guy must have been skiing somewhat outside his operational envelope and therefore a danger to himself (clearly) and others. .[/quote]
Unless I am missing something, how can you make this comment from this report?? How do you know he was skiing beyond his ability. No matter how well we all ski, and no matter how well we adjust our technique to the conditions, we all fall at some point.
Now I hadn't fallen for years, but the last time I did, I fell racing and woke up in hospital, requiring 2 operations.
Now the reports say he slid 130ft after losing control. Given how steep and icy some blacks can be, it is entirely conceivable the poor guy was skiing well before his fall.
It is for none of us to comment on his ability either way.
I'd also like to note, I didn't see any comments of ''Im glad Schumacher is in hospital, because he could have hit my child''!! So why this poor guy?? Schumacher is a good skier too, yet he had a fall and was lucky!!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Bode Swiller, no offence, but it's almost certainly too early to make any judgement about the detail of what happened. There will undoubtedly be an investigation and at that point it may become clearer.
The post (this morning) came across as ill considered, certainly ill informed and unnecessarily (deliberately) hurtful. I cannot think of any circumstances where it would have any merit.
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^^^^^^^ +1
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You know it makes sense.
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| PaulC1984 wrote: |
I hate threads on deaths. Had a situation with a friend who died riding a horse in a competition. His mother was on a flight from the UK to New Zeland. She found out about her sons death via facebook, ..
THINK PEOPLE!!
RIP to the skier and thoughts to the family |
Hmm- If you hate threads on death, perhaps this is not the best place to be.
- If you don't want to hear news, some of which may be bad, then probably not using social media or other news channels would be the best approach. Shouting at people to "think" probably will not tackle this issue.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I will clarify - I hate threads where people don't think before they speak. How would you like people talking ill of somebody you love after such a tragic accident. Come on, anybody with half a heart should think of the family??!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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philwig, not sure whether you saw the nasty comment this morning.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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hmm any of us can die in circumstances that might make the news, and no one can control social media commentary etc etc. It's not the 1980s anymore, one of the benefits of universal comms is also a weakness in that idiots and trolls are only 1 degree removed.
Elise Christie discovered the downside of Twitter is that the population of Korea can sledge you. My view is that if you choose to put yourself out there or go looking you need to ensure you've got a bit if a thick skin.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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^^^ I agree (to a degree - I don't condone the threats she received) with regards to social media and those who put themselves out there you do need a thick skin, however common decency must prevail in situations like this.
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Mr Pieholeo wrote:
In any case, the post was substantially not terribly different to every year when the Darwin awards go round, and everyone goes 'LOL, what a pillock, diving into that cement mixer! It's probably best that he's not able to breed any more LOL!" or whatever.
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I'm one of those people who have laughed at the Darwin awards, so possibly I am a hypocrite because I responded negatively to the Altis comment this morning.
On the other hand, I have to agree with philwig,
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Hmm
If you hate threads on death, perhaps this is not the best place to be.
If you don't want to hear news, some of which may be bad, then probably not using social media or other news channels would be the best approach. Shouting at people to "think" probably will not tackle this issue.
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You definitely are a hypocrite, and so am I, and that's ok.
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PaulC1984, Well, sliding for 130 ft and then flying for 43 usually indicates that the speed and technique weren't adjusted to conditions. The initial speed has to be very high if loss of control lead to this kind of accident. He probably was skiing "well" but it's not an indicator of speed. Even good skiers need to slow down unless they are on a race course.
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I see the comments on the Daily Mail page above have now descended into a helmet debate. The comment was crass but what if the snow cannon had been another person. I can see where Altis was coming from; he was perhaps guilty being too honest by typing his real feelings.
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In La Clusaz about a year ago we were watching some skiers from the bubble on the way up. There was nobody notably 'out of control' or hotdogging, just a bunch of skiers. One of them fell, and slid the entire of the remainder of the (steep, red) piste, totally unable to self-arrest. Thankfully he landed in a natural little basin at the bottom, rather than plunging off a cliff.
Any attempt to causally link a fatal accident to irresponsibility, without knowing any of the events leading up to the outcome, is idiotic.
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descended into a helmet debate
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of course. they just write that one sentence into every bike/ski accident story to get 2 stories for the price of 1.
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| Mr Pieholeo wrote: |
| Any attempt to causally link a fatal accident to irresponsibility, without knowing any of the events leading up to the outcome, is idiotic. |
+1
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