 Poster: A snowHead
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One thing a need to focus on this season is getting forward in my boots.
Apart from practising loads is there anthing else I can do to make me do this ??
Can I put something in my boots under my heel for example ???
Charlotte - any ideas ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If you want to be centred in your boots, the best thing to stop you getting in the back seat, is to pull your free foot ie the one on the inside of the turn back.
Watch most intermediate skiers and you will see they have a big tip lead. ie their inside ski is way in front of the other. So the thing is you need to pull this foot back under your hips before the fall line. Important to get this happening early so you stay over your skis.
Your hamstrings are the muscles doing this. note this is not the same as pushing the outside foot forward!
Once you have this working you should find your turn and balance improves considerably. Its one thing to be forward in your boots, the trick is staying in balance througout the turn.
If you put in heel wedges that is likely to load up your quads, and give you sore legs. Even with limited dorsiflexion you should be right without wedges.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Paul Mason, I really don't want to start another row about this with bejes, so I'll PM you.
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Paul Mason, try getting your upper body forward, and your legs will follow. (just a thought)
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easiski, Hips
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easiski, Hooray!
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Paul Mason,
Short answer, no ...!!
Ski with the arms forward, knees flexed and tilting the pelvis helps.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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easiski, and I cannot wait to start those exercises - I never would have thought that would help my posture etc but .......it does.
I tried it last night on my own but snowbird is back from Sheffield today so that'll make things much more interesting.
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brian
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What is it with Masons and secret rituals 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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If you have anything that goes against what i have said easiski i'd like to hear it!
Paul mason, if you want to ski like that dude warren smith, then this seems to be the place to hang out.
Personally I prefer Harbs style. Suit yourself.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| bejes wrote: |
if you want to ski like that dude warren smith, then this seems to be the place to hang out.
Personally I prefer Harbs style. Suit yourself. |
I reckon WS would agree that big tip lead is a bad thing. He'd probably explain how to avoid it in a different way though
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| bejes wrote: |
| Personally I prefer Harbs style. Suit yourself. |
bejes, your leader recently described a website where peope are free to discuss different techniques and styles as follows:
"I have better things to do then log onto Epic like: root canals, sewer flushing, septic tank cleaning, garage organization"
Those kind of comments don't exactly encourage people, but if that's what you call style, then stick with it!
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I have seen some of his video footage. To me its how skiers skied while on straight skis. There seems to be no modification in technique for shaped skis.
There seems to be a lot of stuff with him jumping in the air to start turns.
The teaching points are miles away from pmts. eg leg steering, an exaggerated wide stance, no edge engagement until the last part of the turn.
Compare his skiing and harbs on his videos. Its pretty obvious.
What exactly is rotating? What im suggesting is you keep the free foot pulled back under your hips. That is not rotating anything.
Its resisting a force. Doing this keeps you over your skis. It's quite simple.
I didn't suggest an outside tip lead either.
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| bejes wrote: |
To me its how skiers skied while on straight skis. There seems to be no modification in technique for shaped skis.
There seems to be a lot of stuff with him jumping in the air to start turns.
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Ah yes, straight skis - when people used to ski with their legs together, and lift the inside ski to start the turn. No one would recommend that these days!
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Wear The Fox Hat, I was taught on skinny skis, ending up on 190's, to ski with my feet and knees apart, so not everyone was taught to keep knees and ankles together
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snowbunny, I ended up on long straight 190s too, but was never happier than when I could hear my skis and boots clattering together. Now I have to make a very conscious effort to keep them apart 
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| bejes wrote: |
There seems to be a lot of stuff with him jumping in the air to start turns.
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Not sure what you've been watching then because Warren doesn't teach that, nor is it on any DVDs that I've seen. Unless you're talking about teaching jump turns on steeps? In which case...erm...jumping in the air would seem reasonable
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WTFH, you should know from reading pmts posts that legs together doesn't mean ankles locked together.
There is separation of the feet to allow for edges to angle etc.
The lifting of the inside ski is more of an exercise to get skiers balancing on one ski. Perhaps you are thinking of 60's wedln or something. Pmts is definitely not about that.
Do you think HH skiing looks anything like that?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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bejes, it looks like he's in a sewer having a root canal, but that's what he wants to do!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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have a look at j2ski of some of the videos.
I see a wedge entry on a lot of turns, indicating he doesnt release with his old stance foot.
Also his inside ski is further forward than PMTS skiers.
Really easiski, 99.9? You sure of that?
Again, proof is in the skiing and students. Also return students.
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You know it makes sense.
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bejes, I think the attitude does more damage than good - not just the attitude that everyone else is wrong, and until you get indoctrinated into PMTS, you aren't a valid skier, but also that any idea which doesn't use certain terms is therefore wrong, but if you can call the same exercise something with the right words, then it's acceptable.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I am detecting some thread drift here, how will this current debate help Paul Mason, and his needs 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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SB, i think i made a valid point re the initial question. Then it was followed by vague sugesstions of getting your hips forward. Again, skiing starts with your feet.
So by keeping your free foot underneath you, you will be in balance. How do people suggest that you get your hips forward? Easiski then suggests that pulling your free foot back will result in rotation. To make things simple, i didn't suggest using counter. (This will keep the outside hip back obviously) Of course in high level skiing there is counter. I can show you dozens of photos of racers with their free foot placed as per PMTS. Again, this is something i see lacking in most terminal intermediates. I was one. I had no idea about the importance of the free foot. For those that are interested there are numerous clear explanations on the real skiers forum.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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easiski, I dont think i insulted you. I disagreed, which seems like there is no room for different opinions here. Fine. My statment of proof is in the skiing was relevant to the harb camps, and the return rate of skiers, not you. My comparison is more based on the average skier who has a lesson, finds no success and doesn't return. IE their skiing doesn't improve. Again not directed at you. As you no doubt aware PMTS is a NON_PROFIT organisation. The same can't be said of the european ski schools i'm sure.
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bejes, why have a free foot? Why not use both, like ALL good skiers do?
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bejes, As far as I'm concerned you did, and this is the second thread you've personally insulted me on. I'm not discussing this anymore. Now I'm exercising considerable self-restraint here - I suggest you do the same.
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| bejes wrote: |
have a look at j2ski of some of the videos.
I see a wedge entry on a lot of turns, indicating he doesnt release with his old stance foot. |
Nope, still not seeing it. Had a look at 5 or 6 clips and didn't see anything even close to a wedge. Anyway, I thought he was jumping in the air? Make up your mind.
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| Also his inside ski is further forward than PMTS skiers. |
 The horror!
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snowbunny, thankyou. easiski and snowbird have satisfied my needs as they normally do. One day at the EOSB they both satisfied my needs on the same day ! Later that day PG satisfied my needs as I sat in his house watching Sunderland beat West Ham and drinking fine wines and beers.
Harold who ?
Can a mod please lock this now ???
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Thu 17-11-05 14:01; edited 2 times in total
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Wear The Fox Hat, 
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Paul Mason,
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easiski and snowbird have satisfied my needs as they normally do. One day at the EOSB they both satisfied my needs on the same day ! Later that day PG satified my needs as I sat in his house watching Sunderland beat West Ham and drinking fine wines and beers.
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It's errr.. great that you feel you have your needs satisfied as usual...I think
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