 Poster: A snowHead
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I dont like wearing a helmet .... its un cool .... but it keeps my ears warm.
Why dont ice dancers wear helmets ?
I cant get my head around wearing a helmet on a bike either ... I tried it last week.
I did find it quite a benefit to pull the goggles down though..
I'm immune from funny looks thank God
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If he skied, at speed, head first into a tree, it was always going to be unlikely that a helmet would save him. As jules444 points out
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| I am pretty sure we all must realise that helmets can save lives but that they are not going to perform miracles. |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Perhaps a big twig got caught in a vent, caused massive deceleration and subsequent fatal injury.
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After offering my opinion a couple of times in the Schumacher thread I left the warm and cozy internet and traveled to an actual ski resort.
At the end of a long day wearing my helmet and taking risks, pushing the limits of my ability on a snowboard (i.e not great - 50mph+,jumps off side hits, 180's, switch riding and and any nice slack country I could scope from the lifts) I was cruising down an almost empty blue home run when I stopped paying attention, caught an edge and smacked my head against the hard packed piste:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y4antlinrbz37dn/20140109_143625.jpg
It seems I am fine, if a little shaken and did not really enjoy my final two days on holiday. Nobody knows what the result would have been had I not been wearing my helmet - I am just very glad my family and friends did not have to find out.
*any idea how to make the pic show directly in the post?
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bruisedskier, you might like to know that krakatoa and Comedy Goldsmith are the same person.
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Some helmet wearers seem to have an obsession about justifying their position, which is really not necessary. If you want to wear a helmet then do so, but don't waste your time trying to convince non helmet wearers that they do not have side effects like blinkered vision, failing to look,bringing the lift saftey bar down to quickly, inability to hold their equipment safely on buses. It just makes you look way to unconcerned of your blind actions & it is defintily not cool .
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| bruisedskier, you might like to know that krakatoa and Comedy Goldsmith are the same person. |
Really? FFS!
stanton,
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Some non-helmet wearers seem to have an obsession about justifying their position, which is really not necessary
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Pam W - I would be concerned about your comment - "because it plays me music" - I dont think anything that limits or reduces one's sensory perceptions and awareness of others is a good idea on the slopes whether on or off piste, the shouted warning from another skier can help to avoid a colision or other danger ('ware rock/drop off/cliff/etc ahead").
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Snow Hound,
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At the end of a long day wearing my helmet and taking risks, pushing the limits of my ability on a snowboard (i.e not great - 50mph+,jumps off side hits, 180's, switch riding and and any nice slack country I could scope from the lifts) I was cruising down an almost empty blue home run when I stopped paying attention, caught an edge and smacked my head against the hard packed piste:
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Clearly from the point of view of the anti-helmet brigade, minus your helmet you would have not taken undue risks and had paid more attention. 
I'm all for compressions shorts making skiing safer as it enables better control for longer, resorts should make them compulsory
It's all bollox really, wear what you wanna wear, just don't whine on about it.
Glad to see that a creche has been created for this subject.  Even more glad you're safe and ok (thanks to your helmet) 
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Sun 12-01-14 17:26; edited 1 time in total
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rob@rar, I see no sign of split personality though
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Pam W - I would be concerned about your comment - "because it plays me music" - I dont think anything that limits or reduces one's sensory perceptions and awareness of others is a good idea on the slopes whether on or off piste, the shouted warning from another skier can help to avoid a colision or other danger ('ware rock/drop off/cliff/etc ahead"). |
Does it really matter if you listen to music? With these ear 'warmers' hardly hear a thing anyway.
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Three times over the Christmas break my head was clonked by the safety bar on chair lifts, I was wearing a helmet so no damage to my head ..... we will never know had I not been wearing a helmet if a) It would have hurt or B) wouldn't have happened because the surface area of my head was larger.
One things for sure a couple of years ago a safety bar was brought down on my unhelemeted head, it hurt like hell, I saw stars for the duration of the lift ride and had a lump on my head afterwards.
Make of that what you will.....
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You know it makes sense.
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Would it help if we went back to arguing about snowboarders, that brings the helmeted and un-helmeted together.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Snow Hound wrote: |
| *any idea how to make the pic show directly in the post? |
Yes... you use an img tag. You can't do it with your specific image, though... the link you have doesn't point at an image, but instead a dropbox webpage containing an image. The direct dropbox URL for the image doesn't end in .jpg, so the forum doesn't understand it (because bbcode is stupid).
Put your image somewhere else, and you'll have a better chance of embedding it.
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| Some helmet wearers seem to have an obsession about justifying their position, which is really not necessary. |
...but opposing arguments are totally fine, apparently. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yes, let us go back to the car-design of the 50th of 60th, then we will be more careful on the streets, and why use this stupid safety-belts or airbags - they anyway have no effect when we hit a tree sideways with 100 km/h. Stupid - when only tested at lower speed. Useless.
Statistic is a difficult subject, especially when used by other researchers, who think they know about data.
(without smilies, blink).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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^^ I don't wear an airbag, and have no option with seat belts. I have never needed either.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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allanm - yes I'm sorry if you disagree but I do think it matters that one should be able to hear what is going on around one when skiing. I think one downside of wearing helmets may be the reduction in hearing and to add in music will deaden surrounding sound further. I know it is lovely to have rhythmic music to ski to but it can be too easy to be lulled into a cocoon of self absorption which puts both and wearer/listener and other skiers at greater risk, IMHO but others may of course disagree. I know if I had children I would insist they wore helmets but for me? I am not convinced as yet but I am open to persuasion and I may yet be seen on the slopes in one, never say never.
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FFIRMIN, Beautifully put!
I was only saying that if you can't hear a damned thing anyway having music is of little consequence. We're not actually in disagreement. I personally have never listened to music whilst sking and the one season I did wear a helmet I removed the ear thingies as they certainly did affect my hearing.
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I certainly would never consider letting my daughter ski without a helmet
and you wear one too, presumably? It always amuses me to see families out cycling and only the kids are in helmets - not the breadwinners/carers
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Yes I do wear one too - for both skiing and cycling. Apart from me wanting to protect my head, keep it warm and have somewhere to park the goggles I think it is important to lead by example.
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There is no knowing when I fall which bit of me I am about to clobber, it could be legs, arms, back, backside, neck or my head. OK, I don't want to ski down the mountain in a suit of armour which would be impractical, but there are practical precautions I can take to protect my head should that by some chance be in the firing line, just as I wear gloves which are a pretty practical alternative to frost bite (I'm sure real skiers don't wear gloves) and just as wear eye protection against snow blindness. So I wear a helmet, I might never bash my noggin, but if that eventuality ever occurs perhaps the outcome won't be as bad as if I didn't. The bonus is that it keeps my head warm. If I've got to wear something on my head to keep it warm (which I'd have to on 80% of the days I go skiing), then again it might just as well be a helmet as a beany IMO. I'd be interested to know why a helmet is seen as being so much more unacceptable than wearing a beany hat - which lets face it is hardly the most fashion conscious item on the planet.
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FFIRMIN, +1. I used to ski listening to music, but came to the conclusion it wasn't really very safe. All too frequently I had the willies scared out of me by people overtaking me if whom I was completely unaware?
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| allanm - yes I'm sorry if you disagree but I do think it matters that one should be able to hear what is going on around one when skiing. I think one downside of wearing helmets may be the reduction in hearing and to add in music will deaden surrounding sound further. |
I find my ear pads offer no more deafening or deadening than a beanie does. And if I thought it did, I'd remove the ear pads.
However, I agree with the listening to music thing.
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I dodnt notice any difference with my hearing when wearing a helmet? I can still hear folks approaching from behind (you know, on the rare occasion anyone skis faster than me) and I ensure I dont make any unexpected movements. I dont think listening to music is a good idea.
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| ^^ It's OK bringing up one exception - there will always be.. but what about all these hundreds who would have been killed yesterday had they not being wearing a helmet. They aren't news - are they? |
I can't quite decide if you're being ironic - i have skied for 25 years without wearing a helmet, and i've never had any sort of head injury, nor have I ever seen one - personal anecdote granted, but if there were hundreds of incidents every day you'd think i'd have seen one, wouldn't you?
Incidentally - just bought one as i'm sure there's a benefit in reducing relatively minor (although unpleasant) injuries, and i'm firmly in the "it can't do any harm" camp, so i thought i might as well give it a go.
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Shimmy Alcott, Not only that but some helmets are designed to NOT cover the ears if the user doesn't want this.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| andy from embsay wrote: |
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| ^^ It's OK bringing up one exception - there will always be.. but what about all these hundreds who would have been killed yesterday had they not being wearing a helmet. They aren't news - are they? |
I can't quite decide if you're being ironic - i have skied for 25 years without wearing a helmet, and i've never had any sort of head injury, nor have I ever seen one - personal anecdote granted, but if there were hundreds of incidents every day you'd think i'd have seen one, wouldn't you?
Incidentally - just bought one as i'm sure there's a benefit in reducing relatively minor (although unpleasant) injuries, and i'm firmly in the "it can't do any harm" camp, so i thought i might as well give it a go. |
Blimey, skied for 25 years without wearing a helmet, and never had any sort of head injury.
Obviously not trying hard enough!
BTW not sure 'ironic' is the right word
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You know it makes sense.
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Pam W - I would be concerned about your comment - "because it plays me music" - I dont think anything that limits or reduces one's sensory perceptions and awareness of others is a good idea on the slopes
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oh yes, it's a while since we had an argument about listening to music whilst skiing. Off we go.......
I have only had one collision in loads of years of skiing (mostly with music) - and I broke my pelvis - and I wasn't listening to music at the time as I was skiing with my brother in law. Which just goes to prove, if some of the (propter hoc) arguments on recent threads are anything to go by, that it's far safer to ski with music.
What kind of logic would make a parent insist on a child wearing a helmet if they don't wear one themselves?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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pam w,
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| What kind of logic would make a parent insist on a child wearing a helmet if they don't wear one themselves? |
The logic that takes every effort to protect a child to the time when that child is mature enough to form its own opinions. The decision not to wear any form of protection is a personal one . . . one that I believe does carry a certain amount of public responsibility when it comes to insurance costs, culpability in one's disabilities etc. . . . but that has an age related application. It's everybody's responsibility to care for our children in whatever way fits that responsibility . . . caveat . . . within a level of common sense.
Technology has reached the point where it is possible to include personal data recording in much of our protective equipment and I would sincerely be interested in equipping a large sample of snowHeads with accelerometer/gps/ helmet/body data recorders and conduct an active research project into just how the variables in any incident measure. I'm thinking of a something that would attach to a goggle strap as a standard recorder.
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Poster: A snowHead
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What kind of logic would make a parent insist on a child wearing a helmet if they don't wear one themselves?
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I dont let my 7 year old go to the shop on her own, but I do 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Masque wrote: |
| Technology has reached the point where it is possible to include personal data recording in much of our protective equipment and I would sincerely be interested in equipping a large sample of snowHeads with accelerometer/gps/ helmet/body data recorders and conduct an active research project into just how the variables in any incident measure. I'm thinking of a something that would attach to a goggle strap as a standard recorder. |
http://www.wearnotch.com/
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Daishan, There's a PhD project there within snowHeads
joined their newsletter, doesn't seem to be in production yet.
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Shimmy Alcott, Perhaps a rather irresponsible attitude. What if something should happen to you on the way? What about the rest of the family. Give one of the kids old a list. Spread the load.
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pam w, how many cries for help from someone just out of eyesight may you have missed whilst humming along?
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Yes, Bit like the 'I haven't had an accident in 50yrs driving'.... But look at the trail of infuriated motorists behind!
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Not desperate at all.
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allanm, dont worry, I do wear a helmet. On the MS thread I think I actually said that I started wearing a helmet as I made the kids wear one so why wasnt I? I was just having a joke, re. the shops, but the point is reasonably valid - young children are not as well equipped as adults to make crucial decisions to keep them safe (oooo, this is potentially a whole new can of worms!).
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