 Poster: A snowHead
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Me and my snow-buddies are a mix of skiiers and boarders, although this year I'll be the only skiier. We all get along and are considerate of each other but, honestly, they get under my feet a bit and I think I get a little too close to them for comfort sometimes, but no harm done. Does anyone else have experience of skiing with borders, have you found any particular tricks that allow you all to get down the mountain together without any wobbly-moments?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yeah I ski and board most holidays so have experience from both camps.
Give your boarding buddies a wide birth when in their blind spot and remember thay are likely to make some wider turns than skiers.
Boarders generally need more stopping room as well.
As a skier, always have a quick glance over your shoulder if you intend to make an a direction change that an uphill skier or boarder may not have anticipated.
I prefer to let the boarders go first, coz even as a boarder, I hate the sound of them behind me and cannot be sure what is coming (and it's easy to catch them up.) That is one of the advantages of a board - much easier to look behind.
Expect the unexpected as there's more simple tricks you can do on a board that most skiers won't contemplate, 180's etc.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Space and being happy to wait for them.
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Lucy_Maria, Let them go first, and if you overtake them always go around them the side they are facing (otherwise you might end up with one on you lap!)
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Blind spot and a wider turning arc, that's the main points.
Also, don't stop on a flat bit for a blether and expect them to stop beside you.
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It's exactly the same thing as skiing on the same slopes as other skiers and boarders who aren't your friends. Just don't ski like a dope and give everyone a wide berth if you're overtaking them, and if you're in the middle of the slope don't make any wildly unpredictable moves or stops in case anyone else is overtaking you. If you're skiing as a group then try not to be stopping really often just to stay together; pick a place to meet up, either halfway down a particular run or all the way if its not too long, and just ski at your own pace in the knowledge that you have a good meeting point.
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I think that key to skiing in a group is to remember that you only need to be together when you stop - in the bar - on the lifts...
it is really easy to fall into the habit of trying to 'ski together' but synchronised skiing / boarding isn't easy!
and be nice to them on those long paths!
Alasdair
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Yep unless they are very VERY good boarders are a bit less nippy, combined with the blindspot means a wide berth, let them lead and let them choose where to stop. And some patience. I usually take over route planning so I can look at maps while they get ready to go.
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I always get a warm feeling inside if I'm in a position to give a Boarding buddy a welcome tow on the flats 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Quick skiers and quick boarders should give each other a lot of room we tend to focus down the hill and whatever anyone says about being aware of what's going on around them it is still peripheral to picking your line through the weebles. Boarders in a carve can turn as fast or faster than a slalom ski. I dislike skiing in large groups of similarly skilled peers without some sort of agreement on who leads off and how long we should hang back before setting off. My right nut still aches in cold weather 'cos I was heavier and therefore quicker than a skier in front and when we tangled as she stalled on a little rise and my inertia kept me sliding her pole inflicted an intimate injustice 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I would advise avoiding the "Pensioner Stop"; you know the random unexpected but complete emergency stop, right in front of a boarder. Boards need to turn in order to stop.
Which also means giving a board a wide berth when you want them to stop, unless you like the skid marks on your ski's
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Masque,
Did you feel like one of those little cocktail sausages on a stick?
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You know it makes sense.
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DB, Or melon balls?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Lucy_Maria, I think akirk, has it right. The two boarders I skied with last year (and will be again this year) meet at predetermined points - end of run, lift, bar, etc.
Alternatively, take a crucifix and some wooden stakes and............................................
They are the dark side after all!!!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Lucy_Maria wrote: |
| Does anyone else have experience of skiing with borders |
Yes I have. Carry a passport and remember they speak a different language on the other side. You should therefore speak to them slowly and, above all, loudly.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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dogwatch, So thats why skiers always sound like they are talking gibberish, about their canting, and angulation, and unloading their uphill leg. Probably why they feel the need to point at everything with their pointy ski-bats too. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My OH is a boarder, I always let him got ahead as I too hate that sound behind me and he is invariably faster and likes to ride the soft stuff on the edges of the piste. My son who is 8 has now declared he wants to take up boarding as we told him he could once he could ski well. I may be in the minority in the family soon 
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To fit in better you could try wearing your pants a little lower and show a bit of builder's bottom cleevage.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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you dont really need to make any allowances other than not stopping on flats, although if you do, most snowboards will keep going and stop in a suitable place for them. The only thing that some snowboarders will try and do is put themselves in specific places on a chair lift....
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themselves in specific places on a chair lift....
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This is true - personally prefer an outside left or right position to avoid clattering kit together or people resting their skis on your board putting the weight of their kit and your kit through 1 ankle (yes wife, looking at you  )
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Never share a T bar with a boarder, its much more fun watching two boarders clinging together for dear life while being dragged uphill by a hook through the cruciate ligament (or is that just Glencoe T bars) In fact if you pick routes with lots of flat spots and T bars they might all convert to skis!
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always good fun to take them to a little side country with a bit of a dip and pole/skate out. Particularly if the lift you are going back to is a long drag 
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
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themselves in specific places on a chair lift....
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This is true - personally prefer an outside left or right position to avoid clattering kit together or people resting their skis on your board putting the weight of their kit and your kit through 1 ankle (yes wife, looking at you ) |
Yup, I like to be on the outside where all other occupants of the chair are on my toe edge side, had a narrow miss coming off a chair when two skiers cut across me and put a nice chunk in my top sheet and nearly knocked me over too.
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DB, LOL
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I do the same; if you keep yourself on the outside of the herd moving through the queue I don’t see why it should be seen as inconveniencing anyone. Skiers forget that snowboarders have absolutely no snowplough function and can only check their speed (especially for novice/intermediate boarder) by turning if the chairlift dismount is steep or fast so it is obviously in everyone’s best interest if they can slide away from the other occupants rather than into them!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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if you keep yourself on the outside of the herd moving through the queue I don’t see why it should be seen as inconveniencing anyone
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Agreed - don't see that as a problem.
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kat.ryb, JanA, Not all skiers forget or see it as a problem. I'm perfectly happy with my mates taking the outside line in a queue because they (obviously) prefer the outside chair on a lift - also means I can lean on them when I'm getting off....
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You know it makes sense.
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They are forever faffing around with boots, bindings etc.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Col the Yeti wrote: |
| Never share a T bar with a boarder, its much more fun watching two boarders clinging together for dear life while being dragged uphill by a hook through the cruciate ligament (or is that just Glencoe T bars) In fact if you pick routes with lots of flat spots and T bars they might all convert to skis! |
Only true if both the skier and the boarder are rubbish!
I heard this talk for so long I nearly believed it. Then last week, my place in the queue had me ended up with a little kid on a board. Needlessly, I dreaded the moment... Nothing! Absolutely nothing happened!!!
We both sail up the slope peacefully, chatting casually along the way, event though the lift stopped and re-started several times. One of the stop was so long both of us took our hands off the bar, and we were far enough away from both end we didn't hear the re-start "ring". But we simply stayed balanced and continued on.
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Poster: A snowHead
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abc, It must just be Glencoe then, it was carnage on Saturday. Or I am just rubbish (Yep that could be it  )
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sharing with a skiers on a t-bar is great. Keeps it all nice and stable. With another boarder, opposite stance is best, but 2 goofies or 2 regulars is fine if need be.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stevomcd, great opportunity for a bit of spooning!
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meh, right - got to time it right so you hook up with the cute blondie snow bunny!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Col the Yeti wrote: |
| Never share a T bar with a boarder, ...In fact if you pick routes with lots of flat spots and T bars they might all convert to skis! |
I think you missed out the word "incompetent" there. Competent boarders have no issues with any of that. I ride a lot with skiers, some of them are even fairly competent, but I know better than to prejudge their ability based on what they ride. You have to watch their first turn.
T-bars, button lifts, rope tows, helicopters, pick up trucks, whatever: lifts are no problem to any competent snowboarder or skier. Some snowboarders whine about lifts, but they're really just bad snowboarders.
On the OP, I'd just encourage the boarders to learn to ride faster. There's no significant difference at a resort between the two devices (on a speed course skis are quicker; in powder boards are quicker; but at a resort you're mostly limited by the terrain and other peoples' safety). Blaming your gear for slowness is lame for boarders or skiers.
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Wow, what a response. I'll be sure to tr some of these out.
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