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Michael Schumacher "Gravely injured" in Meribel

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Off the cuff comment from my local ski shop earlier is that helmet sales are off the scale at the moment 'He referred to 'The Schumacher effect'' I don't suppose, if he were to aware of things, that he would mind be associated with people now deciding to take more care on the slopes than they did before. I guess his accident has shown that even the greatest aren't immune.
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Yes on Austrian/German TV they were saying ski helmet sales had gone through the roof.


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Jonpim, , brain and cervical injuries from New Year skiing accidents (but I suspect you will already know that).


Not wanting to be flippant on a serious and sad thread but how do you get cervical injuries from skiing??
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emwmarine, cervical as in neck as opposed to ladies parts
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Ah... so nothing to do with energetic apres ski then.
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Today I noticed some just off piste rocks marked with black and yellow poles, Schumacher effect!


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emwmarine wrote:
Ah... so nothing to do with energetic apres ski then.


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Reported in the sun (so taken with a pinch of tabloid salt) that the news is still not good, they are going to try and reduce brain activity further to reduce risk of bleeds before they bring him slowly out. Not really looking like a positive prognosis as of right now.
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Reported in the sun (so taken with a pinch of tabloid salt) that the news is still not good, they are going to try and reduce brain activity further to reduce risk of bleeds before they bring him slowly out. Not really looking like a positive prognosis as of right now.


The fear is he'll be in a PSV due to severe trauma. Looks like my doctor contact at the CHU (mentioned a few pages back) might be correct.
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davidof wrote:
ansta1 wrote:
Reported in the sun (so taken with a pinch of tabloid salt) that the news is still not good, they are going to try and reduce brain activity further to reduce risk of bleeds before they bring him slowly out. Not really looking like a positive prognosis as of right now.


The fear is he'll be in a PSV due to severe trauma. Looks like my doctor contact at the CHU (mentioned a few pages back) might be correct.


Was Michael conscious at all after the accident?
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Was Michael conscious at all after the accident?

yes, I think so - wasn't he reported as having been "agitated?
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emwmarine, he was reported as being conscious but becoming increasingly distressed.
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It's a symptom of raised intra cranial pressure ie brain swelling
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My father in law has been in a coma for the last 9 months after banging his head in a fall at home. His surgeons have said that with what they know about Schumachers injury they don't hold out much hope, sadly.
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It looks like, maybe perhaps, or, in all probability wearing a helmet has simply caused more grief.
Much like accidents where victims restrained by seat belts live.

That's how I see it.
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In Fairness nobody , NOT EVEN the surgeons can tell what will happen, brain injury is a very weird thing. My neice was hit by a car , had a massive head trauma on the night it happened she was given less than 1% survival, that was over then years ago. She was in an induced coma for six weeks, and from then on she spent several weeks in recovery. She is not the same young woman she was, and her life is expected to be shorter, but she Is alive , and is functional. I must ad she was not wearing a helmet crossing the road.
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I won't wear a helmet unless I do a full day off piste,,,,,,,,,, he was using off piste crossing from one piste to another, I do that all the time. I won't wear a helmet.
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allanm, eh? How does avoiding injury through using a safety device 'cause more grief'?
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Much like accidents where victims restrained by seat belts live.
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allanm, I still don't get it, the point of a seat belt is to restrain you. Getting thrown from the car or bouncing around in the cabin is normally particularly bad for you in a crash.
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^^I think , heart of hearts, one or two would agree that in some circumstances you're better dead than alive, that's all.
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meh wrote:
allanm, eh? How does avoiding injury through using a safety device 'cause more grief'?


He didn't say "avoiding injury".

He was talking about the situations where somebody would have been killed outright without the safety device, but survive in a seriously crippled or even vegetative state with it.


While I accept there are cases where that happens (and this could end up being one of them), I think the overall reduction in serious injury/death rates irs enough to outweigh those when looking at overall risk factors.
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biddpyat, out of curiosity........... Do you wear a riding hat???
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Wasn't this thread about MS rather than the benefits of wearing a helmet or not ?

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Wasn't this thread about MS rather than the benefits of wearing a helmet or not ?

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Depends largely where you put it.
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Wasn't this thread about MS rather than the benefits of wearing a helmet or not ?

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Depends largely where you put it.


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As we know little about his condition other than media speculation, should folks be more optimistic and hopeful about a full recovery? Talk about glass half empty. Some people even had a minutes silence outside the hospital.
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One for the helmet debate - this video from 2002 of me and a few mates in La Grave shows why maybe wearing a helmet makes sense.

The scene in question is from 01:25

2002 La Grave Heroes - short trailer by Simon Bedford from Weathercam
http://vimeo.com/37019538
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allanm wrote:
It looks like, maybe perhaps, or, in all probability wearing a helmet has simply caused more grief.
Much like accidents where victims restrained by seat belts live.

That's how I see it.


At least he has some chance to live. I'd rather have some chance than instant death. Maybe in this case the helmet could turn out to be the difference between life and death. Had he died instantly, I somehow doubt the grief would have been less. I doubt any of his family or friends are wishing he wasn't wearing a helmet!
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allanm wrote:
It looks like, maybe perhaps, or, in all probability wearing a helmet has simply caused more grief.
Much like accidents where victims restrained by seat belts live.

That's how I see it.


At least he has some chance to live. I'd rather have some chance than instant death. Maybe in this case the helmet could turn out to be the difference between life and death. Had he died instantly, I somehow doubt the grief would have been less. I doubt any of his family or friends are wishingt he wasn't wearing a helmet!

That would depend on what you regard as life, For myself, I'm in the rather have instant death than permanent disability camp
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That's one of the reasons I support the whole "right to die" thing.

Although to forgoe protection for 99% of cases because of worry about the 1% seems perverse.
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It's difficult, anecdotally MS's accident has massively increased helmet sales so it would appear that many people would rather be in a vegetative state than dead.

I kind of disagree with uktrailmonster, I suspect perhaps there are some [of MS's 'colleagues'] that secretively wish circumstances had been different. It's definitely not the sort of thing you'd admit to though.
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allanm wrote:
It's difficult, anecdotally MS's accident has massively increased helmet sales so it would appear that many people would rather be in a vegetative state than dead.

I kind of disagree with uktrailmonster, I suspect perhaps there are some [of MS's 'colleagues'] that secretively wish circumstances had been different. It's definitely not the sort of thing you'd admit to though.


In this case, a helmet may mean that a person is in a permanent vegatative state rather than dead but a helmet could also mean full recovery rather than pvs.

I still ski without a helmet as I simply cannot stand the presence or the heat
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I for one ended the hypocrisy that used to see us preach the benefits of helmets to the children in the morning before they went to ski school and then went and skied unprotected.

I purchased a POC Receptor Bug helmet, it's extremely comfortable, to the point that I even forgot to take it off (no doubt aided by the distraction of taking off helmets, gloves, boots etc for 3x under 6yr olds).
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allanm wrote:
It's difficult, anecdotally MS's accident has massively increased helmet sales so it would appear that many people would rather be in a vegetative state than dead.

I kind of disagree with uktrailmonster, I suspect perhaps there are some [of MS's 'colleagues'] that secretively wish circumstances had been different. It's definitely not the sort of thing you'd admit to though.


Nobody wants to be a living vegetable but what if he ends up making a decent recovery in the end, which is quite possible? So with your logic, you wouldn't wear a helmet skiing or a seatbelt in a car (legalities aside in this case) just in case you ended up in a vegetative state because you didn't quite die in the initial crash.

But of course you could also quite possibly end up in a vegetative state in a crash without a helmet/seatbelt/arbitrary piece of passive safety kit. In some of those cases, perhaps the safety kit would have meant a lesser injury, which leaves your logic looking totally illogical. It all comes down to the severity of the crash in the end and the outcome of wearing a helmet or seatbelt or whatever safety kit is not by any means guaranteed to either save your life or leave you in a vegetative state. All you can really say is that your injuries are likely to be less severe, should you survive. In the Schumacher case, only time will tell whether or not the helmet has actually saved his life or left him in a perpetual coma. But in his shoes, I guess you would rather have been buried already than go through all the hassle of fighting to live?

I guess we all see things differently.
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The logical course of action for anyone adamant that they would not wish to be horribly disabled or in a PSV is not to stop using safety equipment, but to make sure that they have given the power to make the necessary decisions to someone who understands their wishes. "Lasting Power of Attorney for Health and Personal Welfare". https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/245571/LPA114_Health_welfare_LPA.pdf
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