 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dashed, welcome to snowHeads!
On average skis have got wider, shorter and stiffer (especially torsionally). The new shape skis make learning to ski off piste a bit easier, and allows you to ski a different turn shape compared to the old skinnies (think GS turns rather than Powder 8s). On piste the more pronounced sidecut compared to skinny skis means you can more easily carve a turn on gentle terrain. But as you say, the fundamentals are the same.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You'll also find a lot more freestyle/park skiing going on, as skiers followed the moves pioneered by boarders. I'm told that modern ski technology has a lot to do with snowboarding technology and techniques...this seems to make sense - is it true?
I've only been skiing 10 years, so missed the skinny ski thing, as my first skis were carvers.
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Due to the new shape of the skis, we now ski differently- no more feet stuck together or standing up straight
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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fast lifts, especially 6-8 seat detachable chairs
chundolars
no drag lifts - see above
massive exchange rate realignment
handsfree skiipass and skiline etc
mobiles on the slopes
no onesies
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Lordy, this makes me realise I have now spent over half my skiing life on these 'newfangled' skis and still don't ski em properly.
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| hobbiteater wrote: |
no onesies |
Heh - not true. They've come back, if 3V in Feb last year was anything to go by. The more tasteless, the better!
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| T Bar wrote: |
| Lordy, this makes me realise I have now spent over half my skiing life on these 'newfangled' skis and still don't ski em properly. |
Yep. Me too.
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If you've been slowboarding a lot then you've already picked up a lot of modern technique and natural expression without realising it unless you're a freak to reverts to stick up their backside as soon as you get on skis 
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Dashed, I missed 14 years myself (damn paying off student debts, then buying a house, sadly no snow fun involved) during which time skis and skiing changed dramatically. I've sort of relearned how to ski albeit with reduced health and fitness from my younger days. Still continuously trying to remind myself not to go old school, back seat, knees/ankles together, etc. However, it might be more fun than before, I'm sure I'm more obsessed now than I was then...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Dare I mention the H-word..?
Nowadays 10-20% of skiers wear helmets.
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You know it makes sense.
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All sounds more than acceptable! Always worn a helmet when boarding so no concerns there. Guess the slower edge to edge thing will take some getting used to, but like the idea of being better able to use the mountain and terrain in the way you can on a board (one of the reasons I swtiched to a board in the first place)... Roll on Christmas and the mountains 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Not much has changed in 15 years for me, my new skis are 10 years old, my cloths 15, my boots 20 and I still ski with feet glued together although ever so slightly wider due to the wider skis. Will never wear a helmet either the only new things are all these rails and jumps oh and these grey hairs that keep popping up
I think with skiing like most things in my life Im well and truly stuck in the 90's
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Poster: A snowHead
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These carver skis allow loons to ski faster than they should for their technical ability, so watch out !
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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old school, back seat
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 Surely "back seat" was never right?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Sarge wrote: |
| These carver skis allow loons to ski faster than they should for their technical ability, so watch out ! |
Loons have always done that and always will - it's the nature of the breed
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"still ski with feet glued together "
But surely your skis must knock off each other....
And isn't it a bit unstable?
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2.0m straight skis are still being used. So you haven't missed much 
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medlington, Your one peice must be pretty thread bare by now then eh? 
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I think carving skis have revolutionised piste skiing for the average holiday skier - so much easier to get away with it. Trouble is, by day 3 the gung ho brigade are bombing down the blues - I'm sure it's become worse. I'm glad I don't have to go in peak weeks anymore.
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Does all this mean that stem turns are out of fashion now?
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Stem turns are now a sort of building block to parallel skiing.
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thepistepanther, they were 15 years ago as well!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Blimey. I am surprised stem turns are still taught. They tend to give you bad defensive habits that are difficult to get out of.
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They are taught to be a very smooth action and require proper pressure distribution, only made available with correct body position - that's the building block anyway when mastered the student moves on to parallel turning. But I do agree, people find it difficult to get out of the stem turn, and can spend weeks and even their whole lives doing these turns, we tested going straight to parallel from snowplough a couple years back, but the results although in some cases successful were heavily out weighed by failure.
People often revert back to stem turns in times of fear
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You know it makes sense.
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The only thing you have missed is 465 pages of posts in the SCGB chat forum thread that was clearly started before you gave up skijing.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Dashed, Don' t cray over spilled milk, just go on with it. And do as much as you can. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Bergmeister wrote: |
"still ski with feet glued together "
But surely your skis must knock off each other....
And isn't it a bit unstable? |
Yeah they do abit so they are slightly apart but as close as the skis allow, its more a problem that the back tip on the twin tips catches, not really unstable.
Grizwald its held together by some fairly natty ducktape! It will be back in fashion soon
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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thepistepanther,
Have you taught me? Summed me up in one sentence
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People often revert back to stem turns in times of fear
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Peterkct wrote: |
| Blimey. I am surprised stem turns are still taught. They tend to give you bad defensive habits that are difficult to get out of. |
Stem turns are still an essential tool when you absolutely positively have to make that first turn stick in exposed terrain.
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"still ski with feet glued together "
But surely your skis must knock off each other....
And isn't it a bit unstable?
Contrary to popular belief, no. Feet and knees together makes for a very stable platform, which i think is less likely to catch an edge in tight turns, you do need to learn not to cross your tips however. At very high speeds feet apart is more natural though.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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How can you do a stem turn if your feet are glued together? 
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Parallel skiers don't stem
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You may be a little behind he times if 15 years ago you were riding feet together in a one-piece. I've ski books from the early 1980s which will tell you why feet-together is a bad idea. It did look ridiculous. I don't think the shift away from it was related to technology.
The last fart-bag photos I have are people from 1997/8, although I'm sure "traditionalists" would have gone on beyond then.
I believe that the shift of snowboard tech to skis started in about 1989, just after the shift in technology from skis to snowboards. That year I sat in a hot tub with some industry people, where a TWS editor chided Atomic and other industry types about why they were't using "snowboard style" sidecuts in skis. Soon they were, and within a year or two "fat boys" took over powder skiing.
Radical side-cuts (including inverted) plus reverse camber were yet to come. For powder skiers, reverse camber makes a lot more difference than it does for snowboarders (snowboarders are spread more fore-aft). It makes it easier for ski novices to ride powder, including with park" stances (upright, weight slightly back). They'll fall over a lot, but at least they can get down now, just like novice snowboarders, and basically for the same reasons.
Otherwise, recreational ski lengths are generally shorter, and you'll see twin tips and the return of ski ballet (albeit under a different name).
Overall I'd say that makes things more accessible - it's easier to learn to ride powder now you don't have to do it on P9s. So good riders are riding in conditions which would be unrideable before. It's all good.
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As far as snowploughs and stems - I could never work out why they taught something so hard for most people to un-learn. It's like teaching you to write with the left hand and then forcing you to switch to the right. I didn't bother: I just copied good skiers and never looked back. Way easier than years of trying to unlearn the wrong technique.
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| philwig wrote: |
| As far as snowploughs and stems - I could never work out why they taught something so hard for most people to un-learn. It's like teaching you to write with the left hand and then forcing you to switch to the right. I didn't bother: I just copied good skiers and never looked back. Way easier than years of trying to unlearn the wrong technique. |
Some comments on that topic in this thread.
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Aren't stem turns essential for those moments when you're standing still and you've GOT to turn on a pinhead?
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Probably best to have all techniques available in your bag, but no reason why you can't jump turn parallel or side slip parallel in almost all situations.
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