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I was at hockey training this evening I stopped and started to change direction and I felt my weight come down at what felt a couple of mm outside of where it should have. I could literally feel something stretching in my knee which really shouldn't.
The good news is no popping noise, no snapping feeling, and it doesn't feel unstable like it did when I ruptured my ACL.
The bad news is it hurts quite a lot mainly on the inside side of my knee.
I am due to go skiing on the 14th April.
I know we have some good resident experience here please give me reassurance that with rest it will heal quickly and without intervention. Is it worth seeing a phsyio tomorrow or letting it rest for a while and seeing on on Monday?
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NickyJ,
Hi Nicky
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i) how quickly did it swell? If the knee swelled up within an hour or so you have almost certainly got blood in the knee, if so 80 odd percentage chance it is your ACL. It doesn't have to pop and doesn't have to give way.
ii) if not swollen that quickly , and tender on the inner side then statistically much more likely the MCL ( medial collateral ligament).
A good physio will be able to diagnose but they can be difficult to grade, and there is always the confusing fact that practitioners always worry that the meniscus is torn.
A grade I injury might just make skiing Mid April but much more likely with good physio from the outset.
Grade II or III will not be ready.
As always the key to getting this right is an accurate, early diagnosis. The examination is more important than a scan but when a scan combined with good examination the prognosis can be more accurately predicted.
Pm if you want more details.
Jonathan Bell
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Thanks Jonathon. I have no swelling and yes tender on the inside of the knee. Having just got up in the morning it is so sore I can barely walk, I am going to have to bet hubby to fetch my crutches down from the loft - the ones I kept just in case I would need them again, in the hope that will mean I wouldn't. 
I will see if I can get a Physio appointment for today or tomorrow.
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I found some descriptions on the different and MCL injury and I am hopeful it is just a grade 1 injury.
I have a Physio appointment for today at 14:40.
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NickyJ, when you say inside, do you mean inside the knee or the side of the knee facing the other knee? Jonathan Bell is the expert. I have seen 3 ACL ruptures in the past 2 years that were caused by simple side-stepping (feigning one way, then moving the other way), no contact whatsoever. In all cases the knee swelled hugely straight away.
If you see a doctor then don't forget to tell your insurers. Good luck
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
NickyJ, when you say inside, do you mean inside the knee or the side of the knee facing the other knee? Jonathan Bell is the expert. I have seen 3 ACL ruptures in the past 2 years that were caused by simple side-stepping (feigning one way, then moving the other way), no contact whatsoever. In all cases the knee swelled hugely straight away.
If you see a doctor then don't forget to tell your insurers. Good luck |
Having previously ruptured my ACL (on that same knee) I am sure it isn't. Reading up on the MCL injury it sounds correct.
Is that travel insurance? I had t realised that was a requirement. It takes so long to get a Gp appointment and I know they will just send me away for 2 weeks, then refer to consultant by which point it will be afte my holiday.
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NickyJ, a pre existing injury must be declared prior to your trip.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| NickyJ, a pre existing injury must be declared prior to your trip. |
In all seriousness is there a definition of a "pre existing injury"?? does a minor tear/strain or a bruise from a hockey ball on the heel count?? Both have happened to me before skiing hols and I didn't declare them!
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kitenski, I suspect that it is declarable if a medical record exists.
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I haven't in the past either last time I went skiing I was 2/3 months post op after medial meniscus surgery I was giving the OK to ski by both consultant and Physio. I didn't contact them as I didn't need to make a claim. Once I know more I will call them and ask.
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Good luck NickyJ.
I hurt my knee 4 weeks ago and got some good advice at http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=97804&highlight=
I wouldn't be able to ski now, but my MCL injury was at least a 2, possibly 3. There might also be ACL or meniscus damage too.
However, good physio is definitely helping me get back to moving around again, if not normality. Can you remember the exercises you used when you did the ACL? It might be worth starting with these as soon as your knee lets you.
My insurance definitely said we had to inform them about pre-existing conditions. OH is asthmatic, so we always check this. The real problem would be if you didn't inform them, you skiied and hurt your knee further, and they refused to pay outbecause it was a condition you hadn't told them about.
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NickyJ, sorry to hear about your knee - fingers crossed it turns out to be a mild strain... at least you know it feels nothing like your ACL rupture, which is good news.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| NickyJ, when you say inside, do you mean inside the knee or the side of the knee facing the other knee? Jonathan Bell is the expert. I have seen 3 ACL ruptures in the past 2 years that were caused by simple side-stepping (feigning one way, then moving the other way), no contact whatsoever. In all cases the knee swelled hugely straight away. |
The medial collateral ligament is on the inner side, the ACL right in the middle of the knee.
The MCL is very frequently injured in skiers. In my experience they tend to either be grade I or grade III ( grade III are combined with ACL) Oddly enough skiers seem not to get as many grade II' s as other sports, mainly because the grade III' s are more common.
The majority of ACL ruptures are non contact. The most frequent contact injury , when skiing, is whilst getting off a chair lift:where the person next to you falls across your skis. That's why I think that five metres stretch is the most dangerous place on the mountain, just pipping the home run at the end of the day.
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You know it makes sense.
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Jonathan Bell, that's how I did my ACL, a silly fall on the last run on the last day. The main consolation was it didn't spoil he holiday.
What about hockey playing (in terms of different grades)
I saw the Physio yesterday, there is hope I wil be able to ski come mid April, but they can't tell more until next week. Early indications are that the ACL is still intact (I am also quite sure if that as I know how it felt without one).
I am keeping my fingers crossed and following her advice.
Thanks for the support all, it is really appreciated.
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Good luck NickyJ, fingers crossed for April.
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| NickyJ wrote: |
Jonathan Bell, that's how I did my ACL, a silly fall on the last run on the last day. The main consolation was it didn't spoil he holiday.
What about hockey playing (in terms of different grades). |
Most hockey induced ACLs will be non contact. There is some evidence you can
reduce risk by training certain moves: stopping suddenly, cutting and rounding
past another player. Commonest MCL will be I, grade III less frequent than skiing.
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| Jonathan Bell wrote: |
| NickyJ wrote: |
Jonathan Bell, that's how I did my ACL, a silly fall on the last run on the last day. The main consolation was it didn't spoil he holiday.
What about hockey playing (in terms of different grades). |
Most hockey induced ACLs will be non contact. There is some evidence you can
reduce risk by training certain moves: stopping suddenly, cutting and rounding
past another player. Commonest MCL will be I, grade III less frequent than skiing. |
Thanks so much for you input it is really appreciated. I was AT training but unusually we had just gone straight into a 4ths v 5ths match as it was so cold and there were a lot less than normal.
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Richard_Sideways, thanks. Looks like yet another ski holiday I will strapped up and on the drugs.
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Now the pain / injury is localising the Physio thinks that the MCL is probably OK as it does of hurt further up the ligament. She thinks it may just be the cartelage. I am still praying that by 4 weeks today I will be able to ski.
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Good luck!
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Just had my last phsyio session. She is really pleased with progress and says it is healing nicely. Need to keep up my exercises but no reason I shouldn't be skiing when I go in 10days time as long as I wear my knee support and take it easy.
I am really pleased and relieved.
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NickyJ, good news. Hope it goes well. 
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NickyJ, excellent news
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A quick update for anybody who is interested. I am on day 4 of my holiday and I am able to ski on mornings OK, I am finding that not long after lunch (even topping up with more ibuprofen at lunchtime) I find it it starting to really hurt so i am calling it a day then. During the morning I am able to ski pain free, which is great so I am sure some of it will be where I have lost muscle strength, despite all the straight legs exercises etc I have been doing.
Still as I keep reminding myself I was on crutches a month ago and I am grateful for the skiing I CAN do as opposed to being upset by the skiing I can't do.
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At least you can take advantage of the hotel upgrade in the afternoons then NickyJ!
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NickyJ, Mornings are best at this time of year anyway! Great that you are skiing, and enjoy those long leisurely lunches!
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NickyJ, Mornings are best at this time of year anyway! Great that you are skiing, and enjoy those long leisurely lunches!
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You know it makes sense.
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NickyJ,
The body is a fantastic bit if kit! Great to hear the knee settled to allow you to ski😄
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Really pleased to hear it is going well.
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Yep well I thought it was all settled I have going to the gym over the summer - and it had been feeling absolutely fine. First hockey training session tonight did the warmup, then we did relay races again felt fine. Last relay race slowing down to stop after sprintig and it just "went". I am In agony, I can put no weight through it at all and can't straighten or bend it. I had to get a lift home and the lady who did that then took hubby back to collect the car. I can only guess it hadn't heeled as well as I thought
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pam w, yes, completely fustrated to say the least! I love playing hockey almost as much as I love skiing. You would think the fact that I am 1.5stone lighter than I was last October would have really reduced my likelihood of hurting my knee as well wouldn't you.
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NickyJ, what a bummer! So sorry.
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NickyJ, Nooooo! what a blow. Hope it calms down and is not too serious
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NickyJ, hope it calms down soon for you.
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I was in agony all night - going to A&E in a minute
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NickyJ, poor you, I hope you get it sorted.
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NickyJ, That's a bummer but possibly better that it has flared up rather than you struggling on with a weakness.
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That sucks. Hope you get on ok at the quacks - ask for a massive cake made of drugs and a knee 2.0
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