 Poster: A snowHead
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I bought my Cebe lid during the first EOSB, so that makes it almost 10 years old. One of the goggle clips just snapped off so I guess it is time to retire it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The Johns-Hopkins thing is a survey of surveys - not quite original research. I can't actually find the text of study itself, which is a shame.
The stuff about the English actress misses the point and is hardly scientific: the cause of death wasn't failure to wear a helmet on the bunny hill as much as failure to deal with head trauma sensibly. More interesting to me is the effect of celebrity on perception of risk.
It's still unclear why the increase in helmet usage isn't linked to a corresponding reduction in fatalities or serious injuries, based on the North American Ski Resort industry data. You'd expect there to be a direct causal relationship. Where is it?
Sometimes I'll use a helmet (I get them for free now and then), sometimes I won't. The chances for me of suffering the type of head injury they'd help with isn't large. I don't do ballet, mostly ride powder, and my snowboard doesn't detach, so my risks are different from yours. I listen to music on piste, so like some of my deaf buddies I don't rely on my ears at all. I never really understood that one anyway - I don't sing to myself as I ride, so you've zero chance of hearing me, you have to look.
On the OP, I think you know the answers to those questions. It is amusing that the snow-helmet industry's managed to corner the fashion market. With bike helmets it's not like that - I still regularly see presumably "cool" kiddies cycling to school with their helmets hanging on their handlebars. But even there, the choice to wear a helmet is not as obvious as many seem to think ~ see data on Australia for example.
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They will deteriorate - the UV destroys the plastic, so it's not marketing. However, as pointed out, most helmets will be used for a week or 2 a year. Maybe wear a cover to keep the UV out?
Motorcycle helmets are either fibregalss (UV stable) or polycarbonate (not UV stable). Plus the odd Kevlar/Carbon Fibre one for the rich posers 
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robboj, yep, that's roughly it in a headshell.
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| philwig wrote: |
I listen to music on piste, so like some of my deaf buddies I don't rely on my ears at all. I never really understood that one anyway - I don't sing to myself as I ride, so you've zero chance of hearing me, you have to look.
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Erm, what? Most people don't sing as they ride/ski but it's still easy to hear when someone is getting too close behind you.
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[yawn]
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robboj,  Excellent!
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the way I read it was the same as the way I read those words on shampoo bottles... "rinse, repeat"
guy at work has a really ancient polystyrene cycle helmet, that is so old it predates the common 2 part EP/shell moulding method of manufacture. That must have had 100x more UV than the typical bike/ski lid. And is still in one piece. Not entirely sure I'd like to find out for real how good it is, but then the same is true for my decades more modern lid too.
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stuarth, +1
(Vaguely interested) do policeman change there helmets every 2 years.
Does George Osbourne realise there is cost saving to be had if they carried parasols?
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Helmut bloody useful when some pillock hits you in the head with his skis, which has happened to me a few times when boarding gondolas. I have also banged my noggin a few times in similar manner and had a bint pull the chairlift bar down on my scone; happy to have the helmet in those cases too.
They also keep ya head warm and you don't even notice you have it on. Multifaceted. Can't understand why you wouldn't wear one. Will be compulsory soon anyway I reckon.
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| Juddernaut wrote: |
| Will be compulsory soon anyway I reckon. |
your existence has clearly been blighted by 'elf & safety gone mad. Hey, how about segregation? Helmeted runs and non-helmeted runs.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'd rather wager yes than no on that bet, given a timescale of 10 years
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| philwig wrote: |
It's still unclear why the increase in helmet usage isn't linked to a corresponding reduction in fatalities or serious injuries, based on the North American Ski Resort industry data. You'd expect there to be a direct causal relationship. Where is it?
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The difficulty is compounded by, I suspect, a change in how some people ski. With an increase in park skiing for example, the number of injuries, one would expect, be higher than on normal piste skiing. With such an increase in injuries overall, the drop you'd expect to see with increased helmet usage could well be masked.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| feef wrote: |
| philwig wrote: |
It's still unclear why the increase in helmet usage isn't linked to a corresponding reduction in fatalities or serious injuries, based on the North American Ski Resort industry data. You'd expect there to be a direct causal relationship. Where is it?
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The difficulty is compounded by, I suspect, a change in how some people ski. With an increase in park skiing for example, the number of injuries, one would expect, be higher than on normal piste skiing. With such an increase in injuries overall, the drop you'd expect to see with increased helmet usage could well be masked. |
But the vast majority of park skiiers wear helmets so that wouldn't influence the expected drop unless helmets were ineffective?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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No, it will mean that what may have been a major injury will now be shrugged off, what may have been a fatality is now a major injury.. It will skew the calculations. Ideally, it should really be looking at different aspects of the sport rather than just saying 'skiing'. In motorcycling, for example, off-road helmets received a far different life than those of road bikes. If I came off my road bike, I'd replace the helmet immediately. Yet I race off-road and have fallen off several times, but I've not yet replaced this helmet (I might do for next year, and it was new in March). I'd suggest that the studies look at piste skiing incidents in isolation if it wants to try and draw a definitive conclusion.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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philwig, I can't find a link to the North American Ski Resort Industry data that you refer to, so I can't assess the statistics you mention. Where is it found?
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The last time CG skied helmets were made from bakelite with a cork lining so I guess, from his experience, he is bang on the money.
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| feef wrote: |
| No, it will mean that what may have been a major injury will now be shrugged off, what may have been a fatality is now a major injury.. |
So if the stats showed less fatalities and a similar number of major injuries along with a corresponding increase in park skiing we could draw the conclusion that helmets are effective. Lets be honest, park skiing hasn't increased that much anyway. Right up to the point you are doing flips, leg and arm injuries are more likely. Once you start doing flips, broken neck is more likely when you get it wrong, so park skiing stats have nothing to add to a helmet debate.
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mcspreader, I think he made three ski trips last season.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| FFS Goldwidget, what are you thinking of? We've managed weeks and weeks without a lot of sanctiminious drivel about helmets, and now look what you've done. |
Yes, about 1000 hits on this thread in 10 hours. I hope admin is delighted.
Helmet threads can be great hit-spinners!
There were so many helmets in one rustic mountain restaurant I visited in Austria last season that people didn't know where to put them. A big hungry roaring fire in the corner seemed the obvious place, but I thought it would generate too much smoke.
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Comedy Goldsmith, you are a "hit" junkie!
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Thornyhill, I'll need to find the exact quote but an eminent Swiss doctor who deals with the consequences and studies these things, said that eliminating terrain parks and especially half pipes, would wipe out the majority of serious injury. And by serious he was talking about broken backs, necks and other life-altering or life-ending stuff. As you quite rightly say, going inverted (or attempting to) does the damage... helmeted or not. But, of course, the media always conclude their piece with "he/she was/wasn't wearing a helmet" whether it's a factor or not.
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Meanwhile, over on Mumsnet, they are having a pelmet thread.
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Bode Swiller, I doubt it. Probably a helmet thread too.
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erm... apparently, according to STW they're actually having a thread about rampant rabbits catching fire, apparently.
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andy, hot stuff eh?
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You know it makes sense.
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, I doubt it. Probably a helmet thread too. |
pelmet - decorative way of hiding stuff
you could be correct
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| andy wrote: |
| erm... apparently, according to STW they're actually having a thread about rampant rabbits catching fire, apparently. |
STW.....? Is that Severn Trent Water? I suppose they might be concerned about how much water the fire service will use to extinguish said rabbits?
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Poster: A snowHead
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singletrackworld
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Do they need replacing every 2-3 years d'ya think?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
Do they need replacing every 2-3 years d'ya think? |
Don't suppose they get much UV damage.....unless they are being used as a time killer on the sunbeds
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Always handy for stirring drinks by the loungers with minimum effort. Froth up a cappuccino in seconds.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Meanwhile, over on Mumsnet, they are having a pelmet thread. |
What? Mini skirts?
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| Lizzard wrote: |
| FFS Goldwidget, what are you thinking of? We've managed weeks and weeks without a lot of sanctiminious drivel about helmets, and now look what you've done. |
There were so many helmets in one rustic mountain restaurant I visited in Austria last season . |
Don't go to Austria then.
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achilles, Boris out strutting his stuff again?
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park skiing hasn't increased that much anyway
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Are you serious? Fastest growing segment of the industry accounts for about 10% of Snowdome earnings in the UK alone!
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When I moved to Canada I noticed that virtually everyone wore a hemet so I bit the bullet a bought a helmet so I didn't stand out like a British twonk. Now, many years later I don't know why anyone in their right mind would ski without one. Even the professional falls occasionally..... After one or two weekend on the slopes I dodn't even notice that I was wearing it, and in fact now it feels odd without it.
These formal replacement times do seem like overkill. Plastics do tend to degrade in intesne sunlight, but that is not really going to be a problem for your average holiday skiier when as others have said that the helmet is in a cupboard for 51 weeks a year. I think that most of the shock absorbtion rather than the blunt force impact protection is done by the foam liner anyway. As long as you check the helmet after an impact then I personally don't see the need to go running to the shops to buy another one.
The effect of different types of fall on a helmet can be quite startling though. Last year, one woman in our party has very slow speed backward fall that shattered the back of the helment, whereas I had what I would decribe as a full speed yard sale in which I bounced on the top of my head at least 3 or 4 times and I got up without any damage at all to either me or the helmet. And I have given the helmet a thorough inspection...
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