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Hi All,
I'm on the verge of doing the Austrian qualification for skiing and snowboarding and would just like a bit of information to confirm I'm doing the right thing. I have a dog who will be coming to Austria with me so, will need to find my own accommodation (500 Euros per month) and she will need doggy day care (300 Euros per month), those 2 expenses alone won't leave much out of a 1200 Euros nett salary so, I need to know how much I'm likely to earn in tips? Also, I'm planning to offer ski waxing to my clients for say 15/20 Euros.
Do you think this is doable? Is there anything else I can do to make a bit of extra cash?
Cheers
Craig
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1200 for a first year Anwärter (level 1) is pushing it a lot! "most" start around €1000 some a little more, some a lot less. Have to get a bit lucky.
Maybe if you could find your way into one of the more expensive resorts... if it's Mayrhofen as your location suggests then maybe ~ €1050 at SMT or 3000, €950 at mt. everest and €400-800 at Roten profis
extra cash can come from tips (if you are really good or cheaky) can also do privates at lunch (reserved for locals sometimes), illegal privates (or so ive heard  ), glass collecting or dish washing etc...
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sorry one last point if it is MHF, getting a place is hard enough, I have no idea if it will be possible with a dog.... hate to be all pessimistic, sorry about this...
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craiginsight, where are you intending to do the Anwärter training? In some of the provinces you can only get this as a foreigner if you are sponsored by a ski school (i.e. have the promise of work if oyu pass). Salzburgerland is definitely like this. Tirol though is more open but the courses cost a wee bit more. There are also some external set-ups (I know a lot of Dutch skiers who qualify through an organisation based in Wien I think).
Having the dog could be a real problem for you as well I'm afraid as many seasonal lets specifically exclude having pets.
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Hi Mate,
Have you been teaching out here for a while?
It would be Zell am See where I'd be looking at teaching. I've been looking and there are apartments in the region (may have a 10 minute drive to resort) for around 500E warm. My German is OK and I was hoping that I would have a head start on the majority of Brits who come out here to teach and that would lead to the higher end of the salary scale.
Obviously I'd never do it but, how much illegal private work have you heard people can get?
I used to teach in the UK and used to get loads of people asking for me on their next lessons so, I am a decent instructor. Any idea what a good instructor might make in tips?
Sorry for all the questions 
Cheers
Craig
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Samerberg Sue,
Hi Sue,
It would be in Zell am See so I would need a sponsor however, I'm thinking of going with The Ski Instructor Academy and they organise a job before hand. Ever heard of them?
Also I'm contacting ski schools independently to see if I can get in that way which is a cheaper option.
I'd be looking at long term rents, it's my plan to stay out here for at least a year. I've been told that I would get a higher wage from the ski school that I work for if they don't need to pay for my accommodation. Is this true?
Craig
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Anwaerter wages can vary. St Anton was €1300 a month, Saalbach €800-900. That assumes you have work all week every week, which isn't guaranteed!! St Anton pay a retainer of €300 a month if you have no work (-€90 for accomm), I don't know about others.
Tips can vary, and certainly can't be expected or relied upon - this isn't the States! I think I was tipped less than 50% of the time, but some of those tips were more than doubled that week's salary.
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I'd be looking at long term rents, it's my plan to stay out here for at least a year. I've been told that I would get a higher wage from the ski school that I work for if they don't need to pay for my accommodation. Is this true?
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Normally ski schools own their own accomm, so deduct a bit from your wages to cover that. However it is normally far far cheaper than organising your own!
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clarky999,
Thanks Matt.
Any idea what the salary range is for a Landes 1 instructor?
Cheers
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I'd be looking at long term rents, it's my plan to stay out here for at least a year. I've been told that I would get a higher wage from the ski school that I work for if they don't need to pay for my accommodation. Is this true?
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Normally ski schools own their own accomm, so deduct a bit from your wages to cover that. However it is normally far far cheaper than organising your own! |
YEah I'd prefer to use their accommodation but, not possible with the pooch 
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| craiginsight wrote: |
clarky999,
Thanks Matt.
Any idea what the salary range is for a Landes 1 instructor?
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Sorry not really, but I know it depends on school (and some that pay the same as anwaerter 'til you're Landes 2).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think the increase in salary at a couple of my old schools was +100-150€ per month for Landes 2, might be able to negotiate an increase with a Landes 1, depends if they like you. The main benifit at ours was more privates and better lessons. But that's MHF, they have no reason to be nice to you there, if you wont do it an eastern european or dutchman will!
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craiginsight, even long term rentals exclude having large house pets and dogs are often actually listed as not being allowed. A 12 month rental is still seen as being short-term by the way. I live here permenantly and am not allowed either a cat or a dog and that is fairly typical I'm afraid to say. Having a pet restricts your choices hugely when it comes to flat hunting and pet watching/sitting services are fairly thin on the ground as well, otherwise I would have a dog of my own again. working full time and leaving a pet in a house alone all day is asking for trouble!
I think you have maybe got a weird or inaccurate idea of what is possible - as an Anwärter you are at the lowest scale unless you have much higher recognised qualifications from other bodies (BASI, CSIA, PASI, etc.). The people with just the Anwärter qualification may not always get lesson time, especially in low season. As for teaching privately as a supplement to your income, be very very careful as it is as you already admit illegal and could cost you your job.
Just because you can speak some German, it may not be as advantageous as you seem think as there are many Dutch and Scandinavians with far better language skills in both English and German as well as their own languages! You may be a rare commodity on the English scale in that you have some German, but not so in a European context I'm afraid.
The Ski Instructor Acadamy is quite expensive for what it offers - take a look at the SBSSV web site - currently only available in German for some odd reason (used to be an English version too). If you have a proven track record and recognised qualifications you may well be able to get a position with a ski school who then sponsor you for the course (i.e. they tell the SBSSV that you have a job with them for the coming season - you still have to pay your own fees). There is a dual ski and snowboard Anwärter course in November (16th Nov to 1st Dec) that may be of interest to you. Accommodation costs are extra but they offer full board at a so-called Youth Hotel for 45 Eruo a night.
I know for example the biggest shortage area for ski and snowboard instructors currently in the Salzburger area is for those who speak more than one Eastern European language. The SBSSV Obmann has been running courses in Russia, training up qualified instructors from the Russian Federation in the Austrian teaching progression. The future market seems to be orientating itself more and more towards the rich Eastern Europeans I'm afraid!
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks all
Samerberg Sue,
There's no way I'd leave Malo (my dog) on her own, I'd feel too guilty. I've been in touch with a dog day care service just outside Zell am See so, I know she would be OK in the day. What do you do if you don't mind me asking? How did you start out in Austria?
Yeah I've had a look at SBSSV and will be taking their course if I can get a ski school to sponsor me. I thought it being in German was by design, didn't realise it was in English before.
Well that leaves me out then, I don't really have any interest in learning Russion 
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Just a little point, if you get a job working in mayrhofen at SMT or 3000 even if you are just an Anwärter you will be glad of time not teaching by the end of the season, it's very much 6 days a week 4 hours a day all the time!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Shame about the dog situation. I'd want to take our out next time if at all possible.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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craiginsight, how much luck have you had with getting in touch with ski schools direct? I'm looking at doing my Anwarter next Winter (14/15) and unsure as to which route to go, either the Ski Instructor Academy you suggest or doing it directly with the snowsport authority in one of the provinces as Samerberg Sue mentions. I have already done one week working at the ski school in St Anton with the minis (4 and 5 yr olds) during Feb half term and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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