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What ski for the Japanese Powder?

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It looks like the Lad has been offered a job instructing in Niseko for the coming winter....not 100% finalised but very likely indeed.
He won't be confined to the pistes, he is qualified to go into the deep stuff with clients and will be working for a niche ski school that specialise in just that.

He feels his Faction 3-Zeros may not be the right ski:
Traditional camber
Stiff...very stiff

Thoughts?

If he wants to buy something else then come up with ideas of a ski that might be found second hand, or on special offer....funds are limited.
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There's a lot of skiing through trees, so I think he's right to have doubts about a very stiff ski. I wouldn't go too wide as the snow generally is lovely and light, so no point in being on the widest planks you can find and then floating near the top of the snow. Something around 95-105 waist, and whatever camber is available for not a lot of money.
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some good deals on sport conrad at the moment... if junior is ever going to get a "funshape" ski, surely now is the time! maybe something like the Armada JJ or the Volkl Shiro?
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Arno, you must have a few pairs of interesting skis to sell....you usually do Wink
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Moment Bibby Pro is perfect for everything over here, I'll let you know how it fares in Japow next winter wink
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rob@rar wrote:
Something around 95-105 waist, and whatever camber is available for not a lot of money.


This is a step backwards if he's already skiing 3 Zeros. Fun shape with at least front rocker would seem to be the golden opportunity or go the Mike Pow route and plump for 165 slaloms wink .
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Why do you need funky shapes when the snow is typically that good? Does Mike really have slalom skis as his go to option?
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rob@rar, surfy slashy goodness?

rungsp, what's the budget? There are a fair few pre-sales on atm, and more to come.
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rob@rar, Try livetoski's Flyswatters or Redeemers in the sluffed up snow at the end of the day at Hemel, let your tails slide a bit wink
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rob@rar wrote:
Does Mike really have slalom skis as his go to option?


Dynafits centre-mounted on twintips now I believe!
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Last season my early season ski was the 170cm Head iSupershape Magnum (121-71-107) - traditional mount, Tyrolia bindings.

My Dynafit TLT 5 Performance ski touring boots fit the Tyrolia binding.

Then had my new skis for last season the 173cm Coreupt The Caspers (112-79-105) centre mounted with Dynafit FT bindings and skied the rest of the Hokkaido winter with them.

Not for everyone but I love the set up.

Great for teaching on and off piste.

Fully immersive experience in the dry, light Hokkaido powder.

This winter I'll start with the Coreupts and when they've done their duty I've got a pair of 176cm Majesty Local Hero (116-82-111) twin tips waiting in the wings

http://www.majestyskisusa.com/skis-2012/all-mountain-2012/local-hero-2012.html


And this afternoon I'm meeting up with our own Idris to pick up a pair of 175cm Idris Renard (116-71-100) to see how they perform in and out of the powder.

http://www.idriskis.com/renard.html


My 2 yen on the OPs question.

rungsp

The Faction 3 Zero has a profile of 142-112-132.

There are plenty of people skiing this type and shape of ski in the powder. Not sure how well it performs on piste.

Based on my experiences teaching on Hokkaido your son will have to spend time on piste instructing.

If he's taught on them before and they work for him, then he's good to go.

If they don't suit, then I'd recommend a ski between 125-135mm in the tip and 75-85 mm in the waist.

Hope that helps.


PS who's he hoping to work for?


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rungsp, I have some Dynastar Legend Pro XXLs which I'd sell for not too much but I don't think they are really what he is looking for. believe it or not, I haven't bought any skis for 3 years!
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rob@rar, Try livetoski's Flyswatters or Redeemers in the sluffed up snow at the end of the day at Hemel, let your tails slide a bit wink

If Niseko Gold was anything like Hemel End-of-the-Day Sluff I wouldn't have made the journey three times in the last three years. Providing your ski isn't too stiff the snow enables you to turn in pretty much whatever way you want, without needing the extra support of fancy geometry, especially for a skilled skier like rungsp Jr
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Providing your ski isn't too stiff the snow enables you to turn in pretty much whatever way you want, without needing the extra support of fancy geometry, especially for a skilled skier like rungsp Jr


Have to say recently I've been pondering the benefits of getting a full reverse/reverse ski for really deep days - not that there's any room in my budget for it (at all). I've never ever felt that I've needed more float or more ski than my Bibbys, but I can't help but wonder whether it would enhance the surfy/slashy feeling I love even more... Unlikely to find out any time soon though.
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rob@rar wrote:

If Niseko Gold was anything like Hemel End-of-the-Day Sluff I wouldn't have made the journey three times in the last three years.


If only wink

You're not wrong and you're probably bang on in that for a skilled skier in superlight powder it doesn't really matter. But I read the question as if you're going to be in Japan and get plenty of powder skiing in, what would you get? And a std 95-105 ski isn't that spec although it may be fine for general instructing. That's not to say there aren't some fun skis at that size e.g. the Bonafide.
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I've been once on 112mm wide skis, I *really* wish I'd been able to ski on something a bit thinner to drop down into the snow a bit more..........

I reckon your lad should take some advice from the company employing him, as to what standard of lessons he will be teaching and what kit they recommend.....remember he will have early season and late season conditions to think about as well as the superdry fluffy months Wink
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Movement Buzz : I don't know it personally, but I've loved the Zip and Jam (I have the Jam ER in my quiver)

Or Majesty Superior. Twin tip, rocker tip and tail with trad camber under foot. I also have these and in the pow they are fabulous.

The Superior is not that dissimilar to the Bibby
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I used a pair of 2012 Atomic Bent Chetlers this February, and they were fantastic, but they are very wide at the waist (123mm) and I felt I wasn't quite as immersed in the snow as others on slightly skinnier skis. If I was going again, I'd go for something around the 110mm waist mark for the full Hokkaido experience.

In all honesty though, whatever ski he's on (piste skis only are the exception to that - skiing ability dependant of course!), he'll want to be going to absolutely love it and want to go back year after year. I know I do..
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Movement Buzz : I don't know it personally, but I've loved the Zip and Jam (I have the Jam ER in my quiver)



We had the Buzz with us for the PSB and lots of people liked it, its a smaller version of the Trust, the shape is the same though, rocker tip positive under foot and flat tail, there was someone from Robs Japan group who had a pair of Trusts from us, plus there is a little bit of Paul on our PSB video's on the Buzz's and me on the big flyswatters Toofy Grin
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I am thinking about popping over to Hemel next week maybe Tuesday for a play, if anyone wants to try some of the fatter Movement Skis then just let me know and I will bring some with me Very Happy
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I skied on the 190 Carbonlite Redeemers when I went this year and they were just about perfect as long as the trees weren't too tight. If you want to get more immersion go a bit quicker and turn harder on the wider skis I don't think I had any problems getting all flaarbblaarrlgarghed by snow. Wink
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That's the technical term, right? Laughing
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To be clear...these would not need to be a one ski solution.

He on-piste teaches/skis on a pair of Elan SLX (165 cm, slalom)

Really the powder ski would be for powder...

Mike Pow......Pro Powder
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Solid group. He'll have a ball.
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Thoughts?

If he wants to buy something else then come up with ideas of a ski that might be found second hand, or on special offer....funds are limited.


I ve never ski'd them but there are plenty of views on it's suitability - Volkl Gotama 2011 version at £175 with edge and wax right now. Current offer includes a free pair of poles - also some discount codes if you are an email subscriber as well. 2011 didn't have the as much rocker as they have now gone for I think. Might be too close to his factions tho'. They have a bunch of new Got's as well but dearer.

I think it sounds like he'll be more driven by the deal than exactly the right ski.
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Mosha Marc, very, very tempting....
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If you've a route for shipping from the US the Patron and its lighter and beefier cousins look pretty tempting

http://shop.starthaus.com/store/pc/2013-Nordica-Blemish-Ski-Sale-c311.htm?m=1&ProdSort=1&page=2&idCategory=311
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Tell skidog to work on his mincey powder technique first before worrying about the skis.... wink
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rungsp, this any good to you? http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=101033
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Touchguru, I taught him everything I knew...
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rungsp wrote:
Touchguru, I taught him everything I knew...


You have A LOT to answer for then... Wink
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The way I see if he's going to Niseko to ski powder, and especially considering the fact he's already got hard snow skis, buy a pair of pow sticks. There seems to be a lot of concern about going to wide, powder skis have come along way since the conception and a lot of brands have moved away from the big floppy pow board design as they are ineffective in anything other than perfect blower pow. And anyway skiing in Niseko, he's not going to come across bullet proof ice even on piste. He should look into something with a solid medium stiff flex, around 120 underfoot and direction or bidirectional depending on his preference. I see someone has already given the nod to the Bibby pro, this would be ideal. It is worth noting however that the Bibby is undergoing design changes for the 2014 season, and is becoming a tad more bidirectional, in order to fill the gap left by the night train as the NT goes to the gym and bulks up to 126 underfoot. I ski that I would thoroughly recommend to you, and would be my choice of ski for Japow is the ON3P Caylor, take a look at my review of them here -http://www.newschoolers.com/ns/mobile/forumread/id/738920/ . Price in Europe is comparable to Bibbys and ON3P sell through 2/3 different dealers in Europe.
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Maybe the CD0 or CD1 could be an option? http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=101332
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