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Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Gaza wrote: |
| Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"? |
My interpretation - The Northern side of the SW to NE running Alpine ridge - weather fronts arriving from the NW in many cases are trapped on that side of the ridge - similar to that of Atlantic weather fronts getting trapped on the Manchester side of the Pennines.
If I'm wrong I would like to know the correct answer - I think you could probably extend my red area a little further south on the French end.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Gaza, and here's some more from the archives... The HISTALP link is good for north versus south.
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mheadbee, the Portes du Soleil are in the north and the west.
See this from last year. Linking to the year before. Few of the resorts have crossed from one side of the Alps to the other in the intervening period.
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In terms of the geography of the Alps have a look at this from last year (click on the HISTALP link).
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HISTALP has a useful map, but I tend to think of the Eastern Alps as roughly east of a line between Lake Constance (Bodensee) and Lake Como (so further west than it appears on the HISTALP map).
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| Gaza wrote: |
| Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"? |
I would always answer this by suggesting that you draw a line extending east to west through the middle of Lake Geneva.
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Thanks @nozawaonsen, but the HISTLAP link seems to have been removed as I'm getting "404 Not Found".
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@downhillalltheway, and if the Alps followed that line exactly you'd be exactly right.
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@Gaza, check again I've dusted it off.
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| downhillalltheway wrote: |
| Gaza wrote: |
| Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"? |
I would always answer this by suggesting that you draw a line extending east to west through the middle of Lake Geneva. |
Doesn't quite work as the Alps are on a crescent.
If you were to draw a line along that crescent to represent the main alpine ridge, everything on the North side of it would count as the Northern Alps. At least that's the most useful way to think of it in weather terms, as they are the area that will pick up snow from the North.
As discussed recently on another thread, you can get resorts at the same latitude that are technically on different sides of the main ridge, and so pick up snow from different directions.
Everything probably gets a bit blurred to the SW of the crescent, where you go West-East to cross the ridge, though still the Western side would pick up significantly more snow from a system coming from the North than the East side would.
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@clarky999's crescent is the thick black east west line on the HISTALP map linked above.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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GFS 06z still has light snowfall in 09 December for the northern Alps.
FI then brings further snow showers around 12 December before getting more serious 15-17 December. Although one shouldn't take that er seriously at this stage.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Gaza wrote: |
| Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"? |
Think of the European Alps as a "banana" (not a tummy banana).
The northern bit is the top half of it.
Most of France, some of Switzerland and Austria, all of Germany, etc.
The southern Alps is mostly Italy, a bit of Switzerland and Austria, etc.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
GFS 06z still has light snowfall in 09 December for the northern Alps.
FI then brings further snow showers around 12 December before getting more serious 15-17 December. Although one shouldn't take that er seriously at this stage. |
Scotland set to get pounded next week.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I think that chart just happens to have an 8 and a 3 near to each other over Scotland. Not 83.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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nozawaonsen. Would you mind posting the link to your map of snow fall forecast? I have been wandering round the Wetterzentrale site randomly clicking buttons but I have no German and am not getting very far. Thanks
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So we are looking at a cooling down with a little bit of precipitation from the 8th/9th?
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The most interesting statistic from that thread is that in 11/12 we were at page 30 by this time and this year we are only at page 21. The weather is clearly less interesting this season.
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It's us lurkers not making any input
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nice pics for april in scotland
A lot of temperature inversion going on at the moment here in the alps....had a quick check of the temps last night about 11pm, and it read thonon (lake level) -3, morzine +5, avoriaz +10.
But it feels very cold down by the lake today, thick fog, must be clear skies above resorts......think the worst is behind us. Am chopping wood like crazy.
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@Gaza, my take is that the current cold temperatures over the pole and strength of the vortex won't in themselves lead to colder surface temperatures in Europe. It's the strength of the vortex which is leading to a +AO and +NAO and driving the mild stormy weather across the Atlantic. However, if the vortex weakens and is disrupted that could see cold air spilling down into Europe. One route to this would be a SSW event which I understand to be more likely later in winter in El Niño years.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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12z GFS just about holds onto some snow showers for 09 December, but doesn't seem that keen. Get's involved around 15-16 December again, but obviously FI la la land at this stage. ECM was good this morning so will be interesting to see if it follows up this evening.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| 12z GFS just about holds onto some snow showers for 09 December, but doesn't seem that keen. Get's involved around 15-16 December again, but obviously FI la la land at this stage. ECM was good this morning so will be interesting to see if it follows up this evening. |
Keeping everything crossed 
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You know it makes sense.
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nice pics for april in scotland
A lot of temperature inversion going on at the moment here in the alps....had a quick check of the temps last night about 11pm, and it read thonon (lake level) -3, morzine +5, avoriaz +10.
But it feels very cold down by the lake today, thick fog, must be clear skies above resorts......think the worst is behind us. Am chopping wood like crazy. |
Temperature inversions common this time of year apparently.
At 5pm today, top of Kitzbuhel was showing 10°C, resort level in Saalbach (i.e. next door) showing 0°C.
Loads of toothpaste blobs of artificial stuff on lower slopes at Saalbach. And shots of near empty reservoirs. Seems they've been making snow like mad and much of it will go, especially lower down. Wouldn't like their water and electricity bills.
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Gloom and Doom.
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Poster: A snowHead
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ECM keeps it mild this time round...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| ECM keeps it mild this time round... |
Ffs. May as well take my bike at this rate.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| AthersT wrote: |
| Gaza wrote: |
| Can someone help me understand what constitutes the "Northern Alps"? |
My interpretation - The Northern side of the SW to NE running Alpine ridge - weather fronts arriving from the NW in many cases are trapped on that side of the ridge - similar to that of Atlantic weather fronts getting trapped on the Manchester side of the Pennines.
If I'm wrong I would like to know the correct answer - I think you could probably extend my red area a little further south on the French end.
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Yes, I would extend that red line down to include all of the Savoie and even the Isere. Basically anything north of Grenoble, and sometimes a bit south of it too. Alpe d'Huez and Les 2 Alpes, for example, are normally thought of as being in the southern French Alps, but weather-wise I would classify them as just in the north. The Col du Lauteret would be my dividing line. Most of Austria I would classify as "northern Alps" except Carinthia and (most) of Osttirol. Switzerland is a bit trickier, but if you were to draw a line roughly from Zermatt up to Andermatt and across to the Fluelapass, anything north and west of that is "north. This is just a rough guide of course, there are considerable overlaps when we talk about southerly and northerly weather patterns.
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> Alpe d'Huez and Les 2 Alpes, for example, are normally thought of as being in the southern French Alps
Only by people who don't know geography.
The Southern Alps begin at the Lauteret and at Lus-la-Croix-Haute south of Grenoble. The Vercors can be thought of as the Northern Alps, for the most part. The Drome in the Southern Alps. La Grave is in the Northern Alps, Serre Chevalier in the Southern Alps.
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@weathertoski, agree with you about Alpe d'Huez and Les 2 Alpes weatherwise - think they did quite well out of the recent "northerly" storms? Whereas Serre Chevalier on the other side of the Lauteret got much less.
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@Gaza, didn't see you, guess you left around time I arrived, 6pm? Then skied freshies over plastic with my LSRA trainees all evening 
Coming in I nearly made it up the road but had to stop at the last steep bit due to another vehicle in front. Even with winter tyres I couldn't move again, but snow socks took just a minute or two to get on and got me into the car park.
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Ha ha lovely, not gets much better than anempty Hillend with a little snow. awesome.
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