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holidayloverxx, thanks. Getting bit nervous but desperately need to get this done!
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NickyJ, good luck, hope it all goes well 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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RachelQ, thanks.
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NickyJ, Fingers crossed for you; progress at last!
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pam w, thanks. In hospital waiting now - another advantage of choose and book, free wifi and private room.
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NickyJ,
Best of luck. Once they lie you down for the general anaesthetic its a great relief. I waited 3 years for my shoulder op this May and began to believe it would not happen. Need a spinal pain killing injection before skiing but nearly done. How long is the rehab? Any chance for the winter?
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NickyJ, hope all goes well and you are up and about properly very soon. Richard did mention you'd blown your knee again and I've been meaning to check up! Hope the family are OK - how can both girls be old enough for skiing now it's gone so quickly! Sideways_Jnr Mk2 who caused all that morning sickness nearly 3 seasons ago is a little bruiser now and I reckon he'll be a demon when he gets on the piste and overtake his big brother in no time!
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NickyJ, hope it went OK.
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Thanks all. Took me quite a while to come round and my head to stop spinning and to stop feeling really sick. I have never got on well with morphine but was always told it is quite normal but morphing while under the influence of a GA was absolutely awful for me. The nurse almost chastised me for not saying that morphine sets my head spinning and makes me feel sick, I have told nurses and doctors in the past and there reaction was yes that's quite normal.
Although I have some pain that is all coming from the surface presumably the wounds the inside of my knee doesn't hurt - which is a first since 14th August. I can also bend my knee a lot more than I could despite the massive bandage around my knee. I think I can straighten it more but hard to tell with the bandage in the way. One disappointing thing is I didn't see the consultant after he operated, the previous 2 times I have had knee ops they have spoken to me over how it went, though those times it was private so maybe that is the difference? I pressume it went well as i am sure somebody would have said if not?
We are booked for skiing flying out 14th April - so should be fine by then, now need to just crack on with Physio exercises to get the muscles back, as there has been massive amount of muscle loss.
Thanks always29, I know - when we go in April it will be Keira's second time on skis! Ellie is really looking forward to going again.
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Glad to hear it seems to have gone well. Did they give you the operation report? If not, see if they can send you a copy, as this will tell you exactly what they found and did. But I'm sure you'd know if there had been something they didn't expect.
I know everyone is different, but I also felt a massive difference in the flex straight away. Pain wise, I've had nothing a paracetemol couldn't cope with since the first day, although sleeping with my knee on a pillow helped stop the scars hurting where they pressed on the bed. I'm sure you'll find the pain eases lots over the next few days.
I'm sure you know what you are doing, but take it easy for the next week or two, ice it lots and do your physio, and I'm sure you'll be playing hockey and skiing this season.
good luck!
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NickyJ, glad that's over - sounds hopeful if it is already less painful. GAs made me very sick, historically. Last operation (hysterectomy) I told the anaesthetist that in advance so she left the painkilling element out of the GA (it's apparently that which makes you sick).
They then forgot, and didn't give me any painkillers for a while, but I found the additional post-operative pain a lot less distressing than vomiting with a stomach wound would have been.
Do you have a post-op appointment to get some feedback on how it went? I can imagine being keen to find out.
You have till April to get fit for skiing, but what about the hockey?
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pam w, thanks. With respect to hockey I must admit I am having a serious think about do I return at all, I absolutely love playing but can't help feeling really had about what I have put my family and friend ls through to help me out when I am unable to drive etc from an injury caused by doing something just for the fun of it. I am making no decisions yet - obviously see how Physio and rebab go. But I must admit it Is a dilemma at the moment - I can't help feeling it is really selfish to go back to playing again.
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When I had my shoulder done and came round from the GA the blocker they had put in my neck numbed the area to the touch but had no pain killing effect. They quickly dosed me up with morphine (3 doses). I had to apologise to nurses for my somewhat fruity language. Glad all seems well. Best of luck with the rehab.
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You know it makes sense.
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I can't help feeling it is really selfish to go back to playing again.
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See how you feel when you're fit again. I don't think it would be selfish - if you took that thought to extremes none of us would be skiing, would we? I had to lean on friends quite heavily when I broke my pelvis - for example one friend had to give up a day of his own skiing, the following day, to take my visitors to Geneva and pick up 2 others who were arriving. He volunteered - and I would do the same for him (and did once have to deal with a major plumbing disaster in his apartment, when he was at home). And it went on - my sister and brother in law flew out to Geneva to drive me and my car home.
That's what friends and family are for.  You'd do the same for them.
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Don't blame yourself. You had an accident, it wasn't your fault. My physio is treating a man who tore his acl turning around in the kitchen. These things happen unfortunately.
I may swing a crutch at the next person who says "what do you expect" when I tell them I hurt myself skiing. We know there are risks involved in sport, but the benefits outweigh the risks in most cases, and we are not asking for trouble simply by being involved.
Do make sure you get back to full strength before playing again. There may also be an increased risk of arthritis if there has been a lot of meniscus removed. But, the way I see it, the overall risks to health are greater if one becomes fat, unfit and unhealthy from not doing exercise.
Chat to your family, but please don't think you are selfish to do something for yourself.
I confess to having similar thoughts about skiing again (shock horror!). But mine are more selfish - is it worth taking the risk if one simple fall can basically stop me being able to do the other things I love for almost a year.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Don't blame yourself. You had an accident, it wasn't your fault. My physio is treating a man who tore his acl turning around in the kitchen. These things happen unfortunately.
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NickyJ, As others have said, get the operation report, get your follow up appointment pronto, get your referral to physio from the surgeon. I woudln't assume that everything is OK till I either see it on the report or speak to the surgeon. janeed say "But I'm sure you'd know if there had been something they didn't expect. " .... given the issues you have both had with the NHS I wouldn't bet on it.
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I have a physio appointment on the 15th and was told I will get a follow up with my consultant in 6 weeks. Certainly it feels better than when I went in. Time to take the bandage as off.
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NickyJ, good. try and get the appontment time confirmed asap. My UK consultant was not always available at the times he said I should go back, so "come back in 4 weeks" ended up being 5 weeks etc as he was on holiday, at another hospital etc - the contsultant has no idea about the booking process IME. Did they say they woudl book the appt or do you have to do it?
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The nurse said you I would get a letter through the post. If I don't get one in a couple of weeks I'll chase it
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NickyJ, good plan. I found appointments really filled up quickly and even 4 weeks out was no guarantee of getting in
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Certainly it feels better than when I went in
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that sounds very hopeful. They must have done something useful. 
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NickyJ,
Glad to hear you are recovering well.
Playing sport keeps you sane, in addition to all the cardiovascular benefits.
So wait and see how you feel when fully recovered, the nerves may be a bit better. If not deal with the anxiety rather than walk away from your favourite sports.
Jonathan Bell
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The anxiety comes from how it happened. I wasn't doing anything but sprinting then slowing down. Nobody else was involved, I didn't over commit, there was no bad tackle, it just happened. Even the earlier occasion my weight just felt like it came down wrong but I was fit and strong and nothing untoward happened, maybe I possibly wasn't as warmed up as normal. I would feel happier if I had something I could blame with a "I won't be doing THAT again". Does that make any sense? Hopefully once I am feeling fit and healthier I will feel more positive. I am not going to make any rash decisions And I know my team are keen for me to come back especially after an 8:0 loose the other day they were missing me (I am a defender).
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NickyJ, glad to hear you're ok after the op, but a shame the surgeon didn't come and talk to you afterwards (unless he did when you were completely out of it!). And I agree with others about not giving up on your sport if you love it. I broke my knee skiing, and none of my family or friends think I should give that up, in fact they've forced me (!) to book a ski trip for 1st Feb, only three months after my upcoming arthroscopy Jonathan Bell is right, playing sport keeps us sane .
Like janeed, I'm bored with all those non-skiers who think, and don't hesitate to tell me, that they have no sympathy (not that I'm looking for any) because I did it skiing, and what should I expect  .
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Mark1863, Hi, you said earlier, quote, 'Need a spinal pain killing injection before skiing but nearly done' can you enlarge on this as i could be in a similar situation. For me, the action of repeated 'G' forces, even whilst i'm straight , i.e not twisting or bending at my waist after a while just stiffens me up. High dynamic proper skiing and i'm suffering after a few hours... The GP Doctor says..'it's just mechanical - learn to live with it! I'm to see a specialist soon but expect the same attitude. Had this problem for a very very long time now - thing is, i've a very long way still to go ( hoping of course )! We're all different with different problems etc, just wondering how you've solving/ coping with yours ?
Cheers...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Tim Heeney, private message if wish to discuss in more detail than below.
My problems are part mechanical part neuropathic. Shoulder had specific issues which are somewhat sorted although my bicep will never be properly attached again. Both shoulders very arthritic as is my neck. Foraminal stenosis (narrowing of the vertebrae holes where the nerve roots come out) appears to have resulted. The nerve roots are being crushed. MRI shows this and shows the discs are being pushed towards my spinal cord. The consequence is that I get pain and occasional numbness down both arms. The injection actually bathes the nerve root in steroids; hoped for result is a temporary or permanent numbing of the nerve. They are injecting at c1 and c2 for some local pain and c5 and c6 for the arms. This narrowing can occur thought out the spine. Lumbar stenosis is fairly common All oral painkillers have failed to scratch the surface and we have reached the last resort. The pain can be quite intense
The pain relating to the stenosis first showed itself when turning my neck but now can now just occur. I was sent to a pain management consultant and may be worth getting your GP to refer you. What does your quack think is the cause? The consultant says there is a third chance the injection will have no effect, third temp solution, third permanent fix. If not the same problem a pain consultant may have other suggestions to alleviate your symptoms. If it is lumbar stenosis then there are some exercises that can help. I paid for my MRI to hurry things up; they do a report that get sent back to the doctor; he has to refer. It cost me about £200.
Basically, with me the problem is permanent so they are just treating the symptoms.
NickyJ, sorry for hijacking your thread.
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NickyJ, sounds promising!
While I don't do any team sports like hockey, I feel you saying "I can't help feeling it is really selfish to go back to playing again" as if not it's giving up on something that was a big part of your life. But either way, I hope you are well enough to enjoy April skiing. And your talk of physio reminds me it's time to start on the hardcore ski exercise prep for January otherwise I may well also be a heap at the bottom of a slope, albeit through desperate unfitness rather than injury!
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You know it makes sense.
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always29, thanks. All I have read says I should have full recovery in 5-6months, which fits very nicely with skiing mid April. That also coincides with the end of the hockey season. I am not going to rush it and risk further injury, I will train to get ready to start formal hockey training mid August and make the decision then. The best defence against re-injury is to build up all my muscles, keep them strong and loose just a bit more weight then keep it all off.
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NickyJ, sounds like a perfect plan!
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Poster: A snowHead
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NickyJ,
Ive recently needed a good physio for one of my patients from Hampshire.
One of our sports physicians at Wimbledon Clinics also works in Hampshire and recommended someone.
Pm me if you want the name and ill look it up.
Jonathan Bell
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Just got back from Physio, she is really pleased with my progress (as am I), given me more exercises, said that I can go to aqua aerobics clases as long as I am careful and she has no doubts I will be skiing in April. 
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she has no doubts I will be skiing in April
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Well done. Sounds like a good reason for Friday fizz
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NickyJ, YAY!!! Excellent news
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NickyJ, YAY!!! Excellent news
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Good news!
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Sadly the surgeon is not in agreement. I guess all the information wasn't passed on to the physio.
I have just seem him and in his opinion I should never ski or play hockey again. He terms skiing as high impact on the knee which I must admit I don't agree with (in all cases). He has told me that the ACL reconstruction, although still intact and functioning it has been damaged and is only about 50% of the graft left. He had to remove 2/3rd of my meniscus cartilage.
Is it worth me getting a second opinion? He did suggest cross country skiing.
I am rather gutted right now 
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Very sorry to hear that. Sounds like you need to contact Jonathan Bell.
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oh no! yes, get a second opinion. Also, explore possibly skiing in a knee brace. If skiing really is out, maybe consider snowboarding - a fair bit of falling at the start (wear knee protectors! and bum and wrist guards too), but I think a lot less impact on the knees in the long run (very little twisting as you're strapped to the board with feet/legs/knees pretty much held in place). Cross country skiing would just be wrong.
Good luck.
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