 Poster: A snowHead
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are you agreeing with Lizzard that boarders don't have any responsibility to take account of the fact that they have a massive blindspot?
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No, I don't think this, and I don't think Lizzard does either. I am not much of a boarder, but I don't actually think there is a massive blindspot. Certainly not on narrow paths, where everyone is pointing planks straight down the slope. You can look down the slope (the way you're going) and can look back up the slope behind you much more easily than a skier can. Certainly you can't see who is coming down parallel to you, on your heelside, but that's up to them to give you space. That's no different from a beginner skier, snowploughing gently down a path, without the skill to look behind them, let alone do anything sensible about whatever they see looming up on them. On a wider slope, turning from heel to toe edge but heading downwards, you can see fine. I'm a pretty cr*p boarder and have never been aware of a problem seeing where I am going, and where best to pass slower slope users. I'm some way off wanting to blast past people on tracks, which I try to avoid. The problem for less than highly skilled boarders is that there is no equivalent of just going slowly down a track, skis flat and parallel, legs completely relaxed, then doing a gentle snowplough to slow down, without changing direction. I don't like running with my board flat; I have had some huge crashes that way. I also saw my sister in law go for a burton when a snowboarder did that just in front of her, on a track. It wasn't his fault, he caught an edge and she, being equally unskilled, wasn't able to take evasive action. I suspect many boarders would download rather than ride down a track (I certainly would, if it were an option). Everyone should download if there is an option, if their behaviour on the track down (be it skiing so slowly as to completely frustrate everybody, or blasting past and trusting people not to make an unexpected turn because they are too impatient to spend an extra 5 or 10 minutes) is likely to make them a danger to others.
However, the best way to avoid collisions is to ski somewhere where the masses don't go, or when they don't go there. As someone who is accustomed to loads of room on the pistes, I find places like the Espace Killy a bit unnerving, especially as they seem to have such a lot of skiers and boarders whose bravado rather exceeds their skill. It amazes me that there aren't more crashes, actually and I think most people are pretty careful.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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clara_jo,
Pole clicking..most likely done on a green path or rat track and you want to take the momentum on the flat path and not have to skate too far... and slow skiers might be snowploughing or...just plain slow...the faster skier behind clicks the poles so the slow skier is aware that someone is there.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| pam w wrote: |
| I am not much of a boarder, but I don't actually think there is a massive blindspot. |
In which case there's no need for skiers to pay particular attention to passing boarders on their heelside, other than the due care and consideration which they should give to all slope users.
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normally going too fast to even think about where someones blind spot is. think some of you need to chill and relax a bit, this sliding around on snow is an extreme sport, poo-poo happens, accidents happen, just enjoy it, why bother worrying and anylising about what may or may not happen 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| pam w wrote: |
| You can look down the slope (the way you're going) and can look back up the slope behind you much more easily than a skier can. Certainly you can't see who is coming down parallel to you, on your heelside, but that's up to them to give you space. |
If they're coming past you then its up to them to give you space. Also I may look up the slope, see someone coming down faster than me and look back where I'm going, however, once they get closer I have no idea if they're 1m away from me or the other side of the slope but if I turn and hit them it's their fault. I try to ride on the right hand sde (goofy footed so this minimises the bindspot), however, if it is narrow and or busy I'll be turning more to cut down speed which of course means the blindspot is continiously changing. As you say there is no way (other than falling over) to cut speed on a board without turning conversely on flat tracks speed or momentum is more important to a boarder without the ability to pole or skate so they are less likely to turn back to the side of the track if they begin to drift.
I had someone click poles then shoot past on the blindside on a nice icy rutted track last week, I was about 0.5m from the side with a couple of metres on the otherside, this was the first time I'd ever encountered the pole clicking but if they keep that behavior up it won't stop them being hit and it'll be their fault too.
I had one collision in Selva, I was sat in the middle of the slope and someone clipped the tail of my board with their pole and went flying. I know what everyone's thinking on reading that: I shouldn't be in the middle of the slope and they're right. Except I'd just fallen over myself and was getting up to get out the way when he flew past too fast and too close. IMO people stopping in stupid places (especially unexpectedly) is the most common cause of crashes ad it's not just boarders that stop in the middle; there's a proportionally equivalent number of skiiers doing the same.
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| graeme wrote: |
| normally going too fast to even think about where someones blind spot is. think some of you need to chill and relax a bit, this sliding around on snow is an extreme sport, poo-poo happens, accidents happen, just enjoy it, why bother worrying and anylising about what may or may not happen |
I'm with you on this, this argument is hilarious and I can't believe the way it's exploded!
Pole-clicking??? Blind-spots??? Skiers better than boarders on tracks (depends on ability..works both ways!)??
I quite enjoy a narrow busy track, just blast down the very outside edge and get it done - no stress really. Counts for both board and skis...
Keep your eyes open, wits about you - that's it! Jeeeez 
Everybody stacks it as a beginner on the tracks, that's life, it's down to other skiers/boarders to be smart about it and make a decision if needed. 
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Robbof, thanks for that, no doubt i will be looked down upon for daring to be inconsiderate on the slopes. now where did i leave my rules and regulations, regarding having fun on the slopes 
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Robbof, you would find it easier to record them onto mp3/cd/cd, then you could learn them while actually on the slopes, but not above maybe volume level 1 on your music player though, dont want to annoy anyone with sound 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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graeme, most collisions are of course caused by people on those skatey skiboard thingies
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rayscoops, surely you cant mean the safest snow tools out there, have i not proven that they are safer than skis/boards already. sheeesh what more do i have to do
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[quote="rayscoops"] I am not even going to try and understand that one Ray! I have read all the "arguments" here and have been snowboarding for 12 years, ski-ing for 24 and I still don't know what the issue is!
Maybe I do have a 360 degree rotating head, I just don't know it!
The same rules apply to a boarder as to a skier, keep your eyes open and be aware of whats around you, that's it really.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Robbof, i tip my hat in your general direction, not only are you as safe as a safe guy in safesville, but your also obviously at one with the enviroment. well done that man.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Robbof, I think you have been on snow too long too appreciate the pitfalls us learners (relatively) face out there, but just when you think everything is hunky dory - wallop ! physics rule no. 4 - (pink dressed skier) applies:D , ........ and that rule is that if some one is dressed in pink on the piste you will not be able to aviod them - no matter how many turns and changes of direction you make - it is impossible to avoid a collision except by having to ditch it
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Sensible AND environmentally friendly as the suit is made entirely from natural materials
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yeah i have a seal skin suit also
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Sensible AND environmentally friendly as the suit is made entirely from natural materials
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yeah i have a seal skin suit also |
Yup, saw them for sale but I went for the Polar bear pants instead ..
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I don't like running with my board flat; I have had some huge crashes that way.
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Ooh no, you don't want to be doing that, certainly not! Mr Lizzard's advice about tracks and toe edges: push your hips as far forward as possible and sag down in your boots like a sack of potatoes - makes it easier to straightline and alleviates the calf burn. I drift a lot less when I try this - inelegant but effective.
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Lizzard, are we still talking about boarding
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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rayscoops, as long as we arent talking about safety....lol
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rayscoops,I assumed that was what he was talking about. Possibly I missed an opportunity there. 
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PS graeme, that's a bit rich coming from a self-confessed BLADER!
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You know it makes sense.
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Lizzard, and your point is???
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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graeme, that you lot are a bunch of homicidal maniacs, frankly. Regardless of your injury rate to yourselves. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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well i will take that as a compliment, you need to loosen up a bit, seriously. take the pole out your ass and enjoy life
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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well it may well turn into a blader bashing thread, but what you might want to remember is that i am neither a blader, or own a set of blades
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graeme, somehow I know where this is going
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Best bumper sticker I saw in Tahoe:
"Cheney is a snow-blader"
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is that a criticism of (Dick) Cheney or snowblades
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if you ride normal.. then taking the front of the board as 12 oclock them from 7 to 10 is pretty much your blind spot.. if your a beginner you aint gonig to want to be looking anywhere other than the next rut or bump and goggles will make it evenworse as you lose a bit of you proriforal (spelling?) vision.. i'd bear it in mind if you see an obvious beginner on a track or path..
if your a boarder and your going to hang a left across a path (riding normal) stick your arm out to let people behind you know, it dont cost anything..
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CANV CANVINGTON,
Thats all that needs to be done.. simple things like that, to make people aware that there is someone else around and what their likely actions will be.
Common sense and a bit of courtesy. There are enough idiots out there as it is
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It's not the kids fault. He's too young and too inexperience to know. It's the adult who took him there without teaching him how to properly stop. (Falling over isn't a natural thing to do, and isn't exactly easy while on ski).
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