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Is that tips in relation to skis or
tips as in relation to boob tubes and crop tops
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Some ar.se stole my son's poles last week.
We had stopped at the side of a piste to do some Avy Traceiver practise in the woods. Skis and poles at side of piste.
We return 10 mins later...his poles stolen.
The funny thing is that my poles a really (over ) expensive and they didn't take mine.
Scumbags!
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Nadenoodlee,
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Megamum, I can honestly say in all my years skiing ive NEVER taken anyone elses things. I always check. Its considerate
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Well, 'bully for you' is all I can say to that. Lets, hope something dreadful, like a mistake even, doesn't happen in the future which may make you recall this thread with embarassment.
I was truely mortified when it dawned on me what I had done, and couldn't wait to get them back and the matter sorted out asap. I was most horrified that I could have damaged them and ski's aren't cheap. Mind you I would have volunteered to get them serviced or anything necessary if I had of damaged them.
The thing is that they were hire ski's - I'd only picked them up a couple times and hadn't really registered what they looked like. If they had been mine of many years familiarity I don't suppose I'd have made the error. Also, I'm pretty certain that were quite similar to my daughters ski's and I had been sorting out hers for her as well. I think the shop had a run of yellow ones on. Even when it was dawning on me what the problem was I really had to think hard to remember what mine actually did look like and it was quite a few moments before I was certain they were not mine.
One thing is certain that I was so horrified by my error I'm sure I'll never let it happen again!!
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| rungsp wrote: |
Some ar.se stole my son's poles last week.
We had stopped at the side of a piste to do some Avy Traceiver practise in the woods. Skis and poles at side of piste.
We return 10 mins later...his poles stolen.
The funny thing is that my poles a really (over ) expensive and they didn't take mine.
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My poles vanished from outside a restaurant (in town not pisteside) in Saalbach a few weeks back, all of our groups' skis were locked up but the poles of course weren't. Not really a lot to do to secure poles I suppose and taking them inside wouldn't really have been practical either.
In the last 2 week's skiing where I've taken my own gear I'm now on the 3rd set of poles 
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Megamum,
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Well, 'bully for you' is all I can say to that. Lets, hope something dreadful, like a mistake even, doesn't happen in the future which may make you recall this thread with embarassment.
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Hey, if you dont want to hear other peoples opinions then don't start threads asking for them!!!
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Megamum, 'Sorry m'Lawd for nicking the Porsche, but it was the altitude .. see?'
Nah .. not for me 
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Lock em or loose em......
I'm sure that if it was something like a push bike you would always lock it up when out of sight so why not a pair of potentialy expensive skis ? Surely you should take care and responsibility of ones that dont belong to you..eg...Hired ones
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You know it makes sense.
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Poles are harder to secure and easier to make off with I suppose. The hand loops on my current ones don't come all the way undone so at least I can run the ski lock through those as well but the other ones were of the more normal type so couldn't have been secured this way.
I wonder if a padlock closed around both poles between the handgrip and basket would help? You could at least thread the cable lock through that and around the skis.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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SteveKirby, I've got no problem with folks opinions - yes, I fully admit I asked for them, but I do slightly object to the implication that I'm 'inconsiderate' when that's the last thing I'd try to be. I'm still a relative novice at most of this and hadn't encountered the possibility that you could fit into other peoples skis before - I certainly hadn't read a thread before that would have made me aware of the problem - hopefully any other novice reading this might be more aware to avoid the possibility.
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Poster: A snowHead
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FenlandSkier, You have to go to classier places... In the last 10 years with a pair of carbon fibre poles, skiing 25-30 weeks.... no loss.
Megamum, Sorry, I have to say that I am with Mr Kirby and Nadenoodlee. - Going off with other peoples skis is theft of property, time skiing and their piece of mind. You should get the shop to mark rental skis with your name on labels, and remember the length. Split them or loop them with the pole straps to someone elses. Being accidentally inconsiderate is not much better than deliberately inconsiderate, and the consequences are the same. pompous lecture over... you are bad and you must be punished...! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stoatsbrother, Noted, actually I was terrified someone was going to grab me by the shoulder!!, but that's a much better way of putting it - thanks
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stoatsbrother and others, lessons tha many of us have learned through stories or experience.
Buyt how does someone (like Megamum, e.g.) fairly fresh to the sport learn about the pitfalls unless by experience or snowheads. I was asked why a of couple times last week when I asked to swap a ski with someone during a break.
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Frosty the Snowman, Go on....Do tell Why??
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Buyt how does someone (like Megamum, e.g.) fairly fresh to the sport learn about the pitfalls unless by experience or snowheads
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But surely this isn't a pitfall of skiing? This could apply to any case of taking something that doesn't belong to you.
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Caspar, When you first ski the last thing in your mind is that there will be many other pairs of identicla skis on the mountain, often just near where you put yours.
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Frosty the Snowman, Fair enough, but you could apply the same to bicycles or even cars in a car park (although these tend to have more protection). Why should stealing skis be acceptable because you're new to them?
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my board & bindings are bright pink !! no-ones taking mine by mistake even with sunglasses - nor would most be people want to ! Plus i can spot em a mile away
win win situation 
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Caspar, So now a regretted mistake is stealing?
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Megamum, Taking someone else's property is theft, whether by intent or by mistake. Whilst you did the right thing once you discovered your error and you obviously feel bad about it, did you have another term in mind?
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I think that someone expects a 'love-in' within all their threads. 
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Caspar, Well, I might think of a different term later, but I do think the terms 'theft' and 'stealing' imply a pre-meditated intent which might be particularly applicable to some of the stories on here re: ski poles. There was no pre-meditated intent in what I did.
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You know it makes sense.
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Megamum, I agree with you - the terms theft & stealing do imply a degree of forethought!
What happened to the days of a simple mistake! Everything seems so black & white now
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Megamum, Look, you asked if you were dreadful- I said you were. If you dont like it, DONT ASK!
AxsMan, Why should I need a padlock in my own house? ( well it was a chalet, but it was where i lived) In the instance mine were taken they even took them to a shop to get the bindings changed?! Theres no excuse for doing it- its so easily preventable.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Megamum, Call it what you will, but if I discover my skis have gone and I have not given someone else permission to take them then they have been stolen and I will go to the police and report it as such. If nothing else, I will need to do this to make a claim on my insurance for the cost of the skis (I cannot assume that it was a mistake and my skis might 'appear' again later).
Regret your actions by all means but don't pretend it's less of a problem for the rightful owner because of lack of intent.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am very heartened by the whiteness of the white expressed by snowheads here. It is great to know that we never make mistakes.
To describe the act as theft is ludicrous. Did anyone call the police on Mr Klammer?....of course not. The goods were replaced as soon as the mistake was discovered and with a bit of deception the owner would have never discovered the "theft".
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think 'theft' may be the technically / legally correct term, but it seems a bit loaded for this situation. It was clearly a mistake rather than a deliberate act and as has been said above, we all make mistakes. I wouldn't have been thrilled if they had been my skis that were tempoararily 'pinched', and if it had cost me a dyas skiing I'd have been very annoyed. But then if I wanted to be sure my skis weren't taken by someone else deliberately or by accident, a £10 ski padlock would do the trick. If you leave your stuff lying around who should you blame when it gets messed with? Would you leave your house unlocked? Your car? Would you leave your skis outside your hotel room in the corridor?, In the street?
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Frosty the Snowman, Where did I say I was whiter than white? I have never professed not to make mistakes (I have - many times). But I then I don't try to make out my mistake is something it's not or more acceptable because I didn't mean it.
Why is it ludicrous? By admission, Megamum took something that did not belong to her. Does the intent matter to the person that has lost the skis? I think not. Would you want your morning/day ruined because someone else has taken (stolen) something of yours?
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| Caspar wrote: |
| Megamum, Taking someone else's property is theft, whether by intent or by mistake. Whilst you did the right thing once you discovered your error and you obviously feel bad about it, did you have another term in mind? |
What utter rubbish.
Theft is deliberately taking somethig which does not belong to you, with the intention of not giving it back.
A mistake is a mistake.
You can call it negligence, but not theft.
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Megamum, Call it what you will, but if I discover my skis have gone and I have not given someone else permission to take them then they have been stolen and I will go to the police and report it as such. If nothing else, I will need to do this to make a claim on my insurance for the cost of the skis (I cannot assume that it was a mistake and my skis might 'appear' again later).
Regret your actions by all means but don't pretend it's less of a problem for the rightful owner because of lack of intent. |
Nobody is saying that the person who discovers their skis missing should assume anything other than theft.
But if somebody brings them back, saying "oops sorry" or words to that effect, then it obviously was not theft, and you would not get a police force to prosecute anybody.
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Caspar, IMHO a mistake was made and this was brought about by inexperience. The mistake will not be repeated. I am at a loss that you cannot see it this way. But there again where would a good debate be without 2 opposing view points
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AxsMan,
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I think 'theft' may be the technically / legally correct term
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No, it is most definitely not the technically/legally correct term.
Legally, theft requires intent to permanently and dishonestly deprive another of their property. (Theft Act 1978 in the UK)
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FAQ
) nicking your stuff then it pays to take simple precautions. Yes it is easily preventable, all it takes is a cheap padlock 
