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So at what point do stop being a novice and start being an intermediate ?
| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| I posted it as sometimes I (as in often) read threads on analysis, technique and stuff like that and I honestly don't have a clue what is being talked about. |
Bearing in mind I was the one at the VT equipment test that wanted to test the sunglasses... 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| eEvans wrote: |
| slikedges wrote: |
Not sure this thread has completely headed in the direction that FtS had exactly intended. I think he'd intended it as a disarmingly frank public admission of not being the most technical of skiers. It's now been hijacked by some as a public display of modesty to proclaim that despite effort and progress they recognise that they shouldn't think of themselves as advanced or expert (though others, of course, may  ). So obviously what's needed is to distinguish between different levels of intermediate.  May I suggest a 'what level of skier are you' or 'how good a skier do you think you are' thread? |
That wasn't my intent. I actually am with FTS for once. The analysis of what followed Foxy's great videos left me totally lost - almost to the stage of wondering if I could EVER improve if that is the requisite knowledge. Unlike Frosty I need to improve despite a similar age and fitness profile . I will allow other experts to start a thread on 'Keep 50 YO beginners off the slopes'. |
To be fair, WTFH et al did ask for analysis of their videos, so it wasn't criticism for criticisms sake, or even showing off for showing offs sake, just trying to give a few pointers. The basic technique displayed was good, so the points to be picked up on are always going to be fairly minor.
I think that it's great to just enjoy your skiing, and most of the time that's what I like to do as well. I just find that if I challenge myself just a little more each time, then my enjoyment of all slopes goes up. Once you're at a certain level, it is just minor tweaks that are needed, and these are going to be a little esoteric.
Mind you, I do think that there are two sorts of people on this site, those who talk themselves up, and those who talk themselves down. I happen to know that Rob, FTS, HelsT, and Jerry are all in the second group. 
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| Jerry wrote: |
So at what point do stop being a novice and start being an intermediate ?
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Can't claim a great deal of knowledge here, but IMHO a 'novice' is someone who is still snow-ploughing most of the time and sticks to the nursery slopes. anyone who can link parallel turns and is happy on most blues is an intermediate. Dunno when expert cuts in, but don't expect to get there in my lifetime 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Kramer wrote: |
To be fair, WTFH et al did ask for analysis of their videos, so it wasn't criticism for criticisms sake, or even showing off for showing offs sake, just trying to give a few pointers. The basic technique displayed was good, so the points to be picked up on are always going to be fairly minor.
Mind you, I do think that there are two sorts of people on this site, those who talk themselves up, and those who talk themselves down. I happen to know that Rob, FTS, HelsT, and Jerry are all in the second group. |
Agreed , WTFH was brave to do so and the thread was very interesting. My only problem being that it was mind-blowing for those like me. - It read like the theory of relativity. Mind you if I was to put up a video of myself skiing , the feedback may have been more focused and relevant :-
-Open your eyes
-Your hip-width apart, not an elephants
-Your arms are for balance not a wind generation system
-Leaning your head to one side does not help you turn
-oops, never mind, do you want a hand back up?
so the feedback was probably horses for courses
I feel no better for knowing that FTS is a disreputable blaggard and con-artist  - I wouldn't play poker with him either BTW - I am probably in the talk-up group 
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My name is Earl.....and I aspire to the Intermediate Hump
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Peter Leuzzi, I must have missed that bit
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i have used this one before but ...
..you are no longer a beginner when people start getting in YOUR way..
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| eEvans wrote: |
| My only problem being that it was mind-blowing for those like me. - It read like the theory of relativity. |
I really wouldn't worry about it. To be realistic, I'm at the upper end of the holiday skier bracket, by which I mean on an average winter day I'm probably in the top 20% or so of people skiing (on an average summer day I'm in the bottom 20% so I have no delusions that I'm actually really any good). A lot of it goes over my head as well, or at least I understand the points being made but wouldn't necessarily have picked up on them myself or know what to do to go about correcting them.
I suspect most of the people critiqueing are instructors or aspiring to be, this kind of analysis is their thing. For the rest of us mortals just keep taking the lessons and work on one thing at a time.
Over complicating skiing is not a good idea imo, it's essentially a simple game, look at the way kids pick it up.
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| eEvans wrote: |
| My only problem being that it was mind-blowing for those like me. - It read like the theory of relativity. |
(not meant condescending, etc)
...just a thought, but if you don't understand, ask!
I mean, put a post up on that thread if things are confusing - it's also a useful way to find out who knows what they are talking about, and who is just using words they have heard before, but don't know what they mean (i.e. bullsh*ters)
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I'm an intermediate Bullsh*tter, but I'm hoping to get off the plateau any day now
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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AxsMan, make sure you wipe before you get off the "plateau" (a new name for Turkish toilets? )
As for my technical ability skiing, I am definitely in the bottom half of skiers at the resorts I go to.
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You know it makes sense.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Not taken as condescending at all; in this case I wouldn't ask as my questioning would add little value to myself or the general audience.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| brian wrote: |
| Over complicating skiing is not a good idea imo, it's essentially a simple game, look at the way kids pick it up. |
I do agree. Generally if you concentrate on one aspect of your technique, a lot of the rest falls into place automatically. Kids can be a little misleading though, they get away with things that adults can't.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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FTS,
I wouldn't worry about it... its all reletive.
Mind you, if someone makes themselves out to be this and that and they're not....then they deserved to get pulled up...but that's hardly about skiing anyway.
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Hello, my name is The Bunnet (long story will tell you one day) and I'm an 'Inbetween Skier' too. And my boots are Salomon and hoping for new ski's for my Christmas. I never smile and all my ski instructors tell me to loosen up. So I did after drinking two glasses of wine before hitting the slopes. Felt tonnes better.
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The Bunnet, welcome to  s.
Anything Fergus McCann related ?
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I am an intermediate skier. An intermediate skier skies the plateau. Plateaus aren't perfectly flat. Sometimes I ski better than last time, often I ski worse than last time. Overall I neither improve nor get worse. This can be daily variation, but there is always an annual variation. The years I skied best were the years when I couldn't go. The years I skied worst were normally the years preceding the years when I couldn't go. My inbetween years are the inbetween years. I can get down a blue, a red and a black. I fall more the steeper the slope, the my worst fall was on a blue. I can't ski on/in powder, I'm quicker through trees without skis, I can't ski on bumps and I just about manage on ice. I'm rarely on the first lift, I'm often on the last one. At the start of the week I'm at my most confident. Halfway through the week I take less chances as I start to worry about hurting myself. At the end of the week I'm glad I've made it unscathed, but wish I had another week. Every autumn I spend too long on websites planning my next trip. I spend more time looking at pictures of ski slopes than on ski slopes. I suspect I will never get better than my best so far, but rarely admit it to myself. I do know however, that barring mishaps, I will never get as "poor" as my pre-plateau days. I am an intermediate skier.
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skanky, well sumed up.
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skanky, Now that is what i need from every client!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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T Bar, We aren't worthey!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| skanky, Now that is what i need from every client! |
If anyone can do me a French, Italian & German translation, that should be my ski/boot hire requests sorted for the rest of my skiing life. 
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brian
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skanky, "Je viens d'Angleterre" should just about do it
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T Bar, Molehill im winkl for me next season, 
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T Bar, Just brilliant
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I am neither a beginner, interf@ckingmediate, or expert skier.
I am a boarder. I always smile though.
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paulm, try standing up too.
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T Bar, Nice one.
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T Bar- pretty much spot on.
I'm sure it would be poosible to entirely invent a resort ("it's so hardcore it doesn't even have a website" populated entirely by Scandis, Canucks & Yetis (so other people would be embarassed to admit they hadn't heard of it when these hard core skiing nations had).
Equally you can always try a new variant of the sport - "Ooh I found that bit a bit tedious skiing but it was perfect on my Assymetric Mono Tele Skwall"
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| The Bunnet wrote: |
| Hello, my name is The Bunnet (long story will tell you one day) and I'm an 'Inbetween Skier' too. And my boots are Salomon and hoping for new ski's for my Christmas. I never smile and all my ski instructors tell me to loosen up. So I did after drinking two glasses of wine before hitting the slopes. Felt tonnes better. |
I too have been instructed (officially by an instructor!) to have a beer before I start on the slopes each morning - my confession is that I tend to over-analyse
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eng_ch,
I find a Kafi Lutz better for breakfast than beer.... beer for lunch...
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