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Definitely not. Just puzzlement at the mindset of some people. I can imagine the internal sighing of the the poor sods who know them in real life and realise they've just been spotted by them in Waitrose, in spite of their best effort to avoid them, and so are now going to be stuck with them sucking the joy out of their lives for however long it takes for them to come up with a reasonable sounding excuse to edge them off....

'Ah sh*t, there's Timmy. Marjorie, stand in front of me and look at the soy products, maybe he won't see me. Oh dangly bits, he has...'

And so on.

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@greengriff, definitely sounds like a guilty conscience.

Mixed with a big spoonful of naivety of how airline commerce works.

As you were.

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@Timmycb5, well aren't you the most righteous, and sitting in judgement of someone else, for whatever reason you've chosen.

It's a forum about leisure activities, and so could all be argued as unnecessary. Are you a participant?

You have no idea what measures any other forum contributors are making to offset, reduce, cut out, or otherwise mitigate their lifestyle. Or indeed their impact in any environmental sphere.

Fairly familiar stance of offering criticism and then acting as offended when confronted, followed by another twist of labelling your target as somehow being or feeling guilty.

What are you here for? The site interest or plain agitant?

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Wow some people really don’t like being told the truth do they?

I’m not “sitting in judgement”. I pointed out the plain fact that flying to Geneva and back in a day, just for the lols, wasn’t very environmentally friendly. At least 3 other posters agreed with me, 2 of which pointed out that saying “the plane is flying anyway” was a lame excuse. @greengriff, CLEARLY didn’t like being told that, and I left the thread. I only commented again when he continued his aggressive replies to others.

In my experience, if you “offer criticism” to someone and their instant reaction is aggression, as @greengriff did, it’s normally a sure fire signal that they know you are absolutely correct and don’t have an effective counter argument, which is why they resort to aggression.

Ps. Chill out. This is a forum. It is for discussion, which will include debate and disagreement. If you don’t like being somewhere where people have different opinions to you, then perhaps you need to find elsewhere to be.

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I don't think Timmy has made any controversial comments. It seems rather obvious that flying somewhere for a couple of hours skiing is not climate friendly. Particularly when as you said yourself "It's just meant to be something fun and different for us. It doesn't require too much in the way of deep analysis". There are lots of ways to have fun without such a big carbon footprint! It's a fair criticism of something completely unnecessary.

Although my criticism is more in the case of I just don't see the point of all that cost and hassle for a few hours skiing. Just pay a bit more and have an enjoyable week rather than constrain yourself unnecessary to some restrictions you've made up in the name of a "challenge".

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@greengriff, hahahahha.

Mate, growing up in Swansea in the 90s, I’ve seen things that would make your teeth itch.

Thanks for pointing out that you still don’t understand how airline commerce works.

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Surely if you’re criticising someone for boarding a couple of flights, the same applies to the weekly holiday-merchants (like most of us) too. Unless @greengriff enjoys it so much he ends up jetting off to the mountains on a daily basis Very Happy

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@Valluga, nah, I guess it’s a cost/benefit thing. Flying for a day just seems excessive. I flew the Geneva myself last year, so I’m not saying nobody should fly. That said, I’m going (assuming we can) twice next year, but I’m getting the train both times.

@Timmycb5, guess the train was going there anyway, both times?

You know it makes sense.

@ski3, guess* the train has 90% lower carbon footprint than flying.

*not a guess, a fact.

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@ski3,

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@ski3, what are you basing that on re: rail travel? Certainly not any actual research, unless you’re conflating most rail travel with vanity projects like HS2.

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It's disappointing that a thread can degenerate into childish name calling. Be11 ends and pr1cks, anyone?

We all love skiing, so why resort to the under 12's mud slinging? Puzzled

What next? My dad's bigger than your dad? Puzzled

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Since this thread's completely lost it's way, maybe the mods can retitle it as 'the environmental impact skiing'?

Skiing is a frivolous activity that's not needed for human subsistence. Therefore doing it by any other means than walking to - and up - the mountains in order to ski down ungroomed trails on skis that you made on site with wood harvested from naturally fallen trees is banned as harmful to the environment.

Flying, driving, riding the train, skiing down runs that have been machine groomed, covered in man made snow, or made safe by being dynamited from helicopters makes you a climate killing murderer, and pointing the finger at other climate killing murderers for doing a little bit more climate killing murder than you did is not going to get you off sorry. You're all for it.

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Just to be clear to late joiners, I'm playing devil's advocate for the point of a stimulating discussion. Since this thread has been irreversably derailed I might as well play along. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em etc....

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You know it makes sense.

No. Wrong again. That's every single time so far, so you're doing just great. Reductio ad absurdum is a great way to test the soundness of a claim.

Also it's indisputable that skiing is a frivolous activity for 99.9% of participants. There are lots of other ways to enjoy yourself and stay fit and healthy that are harmless to the environment. So, if you are a person truly concerned about the environment then you shouldn't be skiing. If, however, you continue to ski whilst hectoring others, you are a hypocrite, and should be roundly mocked as such.

Also I kindly asked for some citations to back up the claims you made earlier. Perhaps you could provide some. I'm not being facetious for once. I'm genuinely interested.

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@greengriff, “wrong again”. You do realise that when someone posts something you don’t like, it doesn’t mean it’s wrong, don’t you? Nothing I have posted so far is incorrect.

As you are posting on here, it seems someone has deemed it safe to give you access to the internet. Be a good chap and click on the link I posted above. I’ve even typed in the words so the Google search will be done for you. I’m nice like that. Click on the top result and have a read.

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What you posted was not a citation. If you didn't want to post them, be like those kids from Grange Hill and just say 'no'.

Meanwhile, as with all bad faith actors, you simply dodged the actual points worth discussing. So I reiterate: by professing serious concern for the environment, yet taking part in a decidedly un-eco-friendly sport like skiing, and worse still, berating people who wish to participate in the same sport but in a slightly different way, you are just revealing yourself as a virtue-signalling hypocrite, worthy only of mockery. If that's not the case you should explain why. Otherwise I'll just carry on laughing at you.

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I’ve provided you with the information you requested. If you are too bone idle to click through then I’m afraid that is entirely on you.

And unless I’m mistaken I haven’t mentioned anything about the carbon footprint of skiing (most of it is powered by nuclear, and that is a completely different discussion), but I understand if you’re struggling to keep up.

What I HAVE mentioned and derided you for is your complete unawareness of the carbon cost of short-haul flying, particularly your seeming desire to “spend” what lots would for a weeks holiday in a single day, seemingly, just for the lols. That is literally the only bit I have commented on.

Unless you’re prepared to actually do some basic reading around this topic, especially when I provide you with the links, then I’m afraid I’m done with you.

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It's nothing to do with being bone idle. I asked to see the information that *you* used to form your opinion. Sending me to a search box is not that. You sent me to a search box pre-loaded with the search 'what is the carbon footprint of skiing'. And you claimed that trains have a 90% less carbon footprint that planes. That was actually the bit I was interested in. You also claimed that 'you might as well see how many car tyres you can burn in 24 hours' which is what started this whole thing off. Oh, and yet again you've completely side-stepped answering the point about your own rank hypocrisy. So yeah, you're done with me. You certainly showed me what's what! I'm off to a quiet corner to lick my wounds.

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@greengriff, you truly are furiously hard of thinking aren’t you?

The instructions were quite simple. Click on the link I provided, then look at the first result (which is the snowcarbon website). Perhaps those instructions were too difficult for you to follow. Perhaps if I draw some pictures, would that help?

Anyway, click on that link and that will give you EXACTLY what you are looking for.

It’s not hypocritical to point out somethings are hideously carbon heavy, whilst suggesting alternatives which are much less carbon heavy. I haven’t once said people should stop skiing. People absolutely should be aware of the impact of their actions though.

I also think the practice of killing sharks solely for their fins is cruel and unnecessary, but I am not against the eating of meat and fish where the whole animal is used. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite either. But to me, doing a short haul flight for a single day skiing is in the same category as shark finning.

I can’t stop you from doing either, but I am fully entitled to point out how grotesque it is. If you don’t like it, then I’m afraid you can lump it.

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I thought you were done? Laughing

What you sent me was not the information I asked for. Perhaps if you'd said 'follow that search and the first result is the one you want' then I'd have done it. But of course I couldn't have known that unless you'd said, at which point it would have been simpler just to send me the link.

It's the very definition of hypocritical to criticise others for doing something, and then doing it yourself!

Your shark analogy is way off. It would be a more accurate - and honest - analogy if you criticised others for killing the sharks for their fins, whilst you also did the same, but sometimes ate the eyeballs too.

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Unfortunately there is no facepalm emoji. The page provides no evidence (and in fact says nothing) about the carbon footprint of trains being 90% less than that of planes, which was the claim you made and was the bit that I was interested in.

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@greengriff, this BBC link might be useful.

Should you fly, drive or take the train? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49349566

I haven't properly read the rest of this thread, so don't think of this as agreeing with either side's opinion.

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