 Poster: A snowHead
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Chinos as opposed to denims (and certainly not ripped ones), polo shirt or collared shirt instead of t shirt (and not a Homer Simpson t shirt) and socks. Personally I'd ban mobiles from the table and remove anyone who photographs their plate.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| muddewater wrote: |
| Personally I'd ban mobiles from the table and remove anyone who photographs their plate. |
This.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My teenage son, in a pair of jeans considered (by him at any rate) the height of cool, was turned away from a dining room in a hotel in Zimbabwe by a doorman in crimplene. He was incensed.  At least, I thought it was funny, until my 8 year old daughter was turned away because she had sandals on. They were proper, closed in, Clarks school sandals (and clean white ankle socks).
Earlier, when it was Rhodesia, I lived there for a year, and got around on a light motorbike. Salisbury can get very chilly in winter and a friend and I went to the cinema one evening, in borrowed leather flying coats (which, I must admit, we did find rather cool - Biggles stylee). It was just an ordinary film night, nothing special, but lots of the local notables were there in competitive crimplene evening wear. The more they looked down at us, in our Biggles coats and crash helmets, the funnier we found it.
In the South Pacific wearing shoes inside a house is the height of ill manners. That soon put paid to the dressing up brigade, as they just didn't feel the same in smart clothes and bare feet.  All cultures have these silly habits. I know of one where men tie patterned fabric round their neck. In some cases the design of the fabric indicates that they belong to special social or institutional categories.
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@pam w,
You really should write a book about your travels
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Dress codes are funny things, usually associated with the generation above mine. |
| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
Does it count as a dress code when you are invited to dinner at a friends house and Mrs CP asks what everyone is wearing? |
Why would you ask what everyone's wearing when you're invited to dinner at a friend's house?! If the friend had a specific dress code in mind, they'd mention it. I can't see how Mrs CP would be any different from Mr CP 
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Why would you ask what everyone's wearing when you're invited to dinner at a friend's house?!
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In case they are nudists
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@johnE, yes, "no dress code" could be misinterpreted I suppose.
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If anyone came to dinner at my house they'd have to be wearing something really odd for me to raise my eyebrows. But I'd be extremely offended if they sat around fingering their mobile phone.
I think one of the nice things about now is that people can be at an occasion (dinner with friends, a restaurant, the theatre, the pub) in a huge variety of clothes and nobody bats an eyelid.
I took my scruffily dressed grand-daughter's to a kids show in the theatre in Chichester today. It was chilly and they were wearing their very high tech (and expensive) Swiss made ski jackets, waterproof, breathable and with removable fleece lining. Neither was very clean - they are their only coats, so they wear them constantly, to school, out biking and hiking - and the occasional ski. Most kids were fairly scruffy, actually.
The show involved children being called onto the stage to interact with the (wonderful) puppet dinosaurs. We were up in the back stalls - thankfully - my two shrivelled up at the thought of being on stage. But one little girl, was wearing a frilly party frock, nice shoes and a pretty cardigan. She looked terrific, and was a really good sport. Her mum must have been very proud of her and so pleased she was in such a pretty outfit.
Nobody was "dressed inappropriately" for the occasion.
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| pam w wrote: |
| All cultures have these silly habits. I know of one where men tie patterned fabric round their neck. In some cases the design of the fabric indicates that they belong to special social or institutional categories. |
You mean the old school/ regimental tie?
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I think the definition of smart casual has got a lot more complex for men. If you stick rigidly to a policy of shirt with a collar and no jeans as being smart casual, puts a lot of more modern fashion out of the equation. I think if my OH had to stick to it, he would look like he'd raided the lost property box rather than anything close to smart. I think a decent pair of well fitted jeans (i.e. ones that stay above the boxer short line) can look as smart if not smarter than a pair of chinos on the right person.
The problem is defining something in writing rather than applying "common sense". I remember visiting a monastery in Cyprus and the OH forgot that you need to cover your knees and shoulders to see the inside. So he borrowed a pair trousers and a shirt with a collar from the stash they kept there. Being a tall skinny lad the shirt was miles too big. The trousers didn't stay up and were also about 4 inches too short. I remember thinking God would have been rolling about laughing at this sign of "respect".
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@Giffordpikes, I agree. Too often it would be far better to follow the spirit of the code rather than the letter of it. Clean, newish jeans can look much tidier than scruffy chinos.
@GlasgowCyclops, I think your definitions are pretty accurate.
I think we are missing a few of points here:
1. Different cultures have different attitudes. Most of the companies I work with in Germany are far more formal than in the UK. Everyone in those companies wears a suit and tie, always. Equally, the company I was with today have no dress code at all. I think it's generally good manners to conform with what's normal in the country you are in, rather than what you might do back home. What might be wholly acceptable in the UK may not be elsewhere. If you own/run a hotel you are fully within your rights to have a dress code. You might be foolish to do so, but it's your right.
2. Just because you have paid to stay in a hotel does not give you the right to say "I'm on holiday, I've paid to be here, I'll wear what I like and f**k the rest of you". That's just bad manners. It would be equally bad manners to make someone feel uncomfortable because they have inadvertently turned up wearing something 'inappropriate'.
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| miranda wrote: |
| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Dress codes are funny things, usually associated with the generation above mine. |
| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
Does it count as a dress code when you are invited to dinner at a friends house and Mrs CP asks what everyone is wearing? |
Why would you ask what everyone's wearing when you're invited to dinner at a friend's house?! If the friend had a specific dress code in mind, they'd mention it. I can't see how Mrs CP would be any different from Mr CP |
Mrs CP might be different from Mr CP only because women tend to focus more on these things than men. You may disagree.
Why would you ask what everyone's wearing? I.e. What is the dress code? Maybe because the hostess forgot to mention it. I think people do dress differently depending upon what sort of an evening it is. "Please drop in for spaghetti bolognese on Tuesday evening" might mean jeans and jumper are fine. "Come to dinner on Saturday evening. There will be 12 of us and we are celebrating X's birthday"- that might be rather more formal. I think it's just a matter of courtesy. If your hosts have spent all day slaving over a hot stove, making the house look nice and providing good food and wine then they have out a lot of effort into the evening. Turning up in jeans and a t-shirt implies you couldn't be bothered.
Don't get the impression I'm a dress code nazi. I'm really not. I do think it's a pity if we degenerate to a nation of onesie wearers, but I suppose it doesn't really matter in the cosmic scale of things.
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You know it makes sense.
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Dress codes are funny things, usually associated with the generation above mine. ... |
This.
Those fascists hassled me when I was a kid - my hair was too long and I didn't look like them. Now, I'm paying, so I can wear what I like.
I think it's what you feel comfortable with. I've eaten in some of the best places in the world with people rich enough to buy them, and never really noticed what anyone else was wearing.
I guess if I was reading a restaurant review and it said "dress: smart casual" then I would probably not want to go to a place which tried to dictate what I should wear. I have eaten in some of the best restaurants world wide and never had any issues. Maybe it's a Brit thing? In Austria you can even wear leather shorts and no one cares.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| queen bodecia wrote: |
| I can't remember the last time I saw a man wearing a suit and tie. I think times have changed. What was considered 'dress down' is now normal daily wear. Whether you think this is a good or a bad thing is up to you. Personally I'm all for it, what you wear does not define who you are and what you can do. |
It varies hugely by country, but dress is certainly becoming far less formal. I certainly see loads if men in suits and ties. If you walk around the business areas of central London then I'd say 50% of men wear a suit and 10% wear a tie. Within the square mile I'd say the numbers were closer to 80% and 50%. Then again, that's a massive drop from the 100%/100% you might have seen just 20 years ago. Huge differences between professions as well.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@foxtrotzulu, pretty sure the only times I see men wearing suits and ties is at a funeral these days. I don't frequent any 'business districts' but I do visit a lot of clients' offices, all of whom wear jeans/chinos/t-shirts, etc.
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@philwig, I think that's one of the points I was making. As you say "It's what you feel comfortable with". Some places have a dress code because they aspire to some sort of daft grandeur and feel you must dress in a certain way to merit entry, but most dress codes are actually intended to make sure that people DO feel comfortable. If everyone usually turns up dressed in a suit then a great many people would feel uncomfortable if they inadvertently arrived in shorts (or vice versa). Maybe they shouldn't feel that way, but most do. If I turned up to someone's birthday dinner thinking it was v casual and wearing some ghastly Hawaiian shirt only to find everyone was wearing dinner jackets I'd feel Pretty uncomfortable and wish I'd been told the 'dress code'.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| "Come to dinner on Saturday evening. There will be 12 of us and we are celebrating X's birthday"- that might be rather more formal. I think it's just a matter of courtesy. If your hosts have spent all day slaving over a hot stove, making the house look nice and providing good food and wine then they have out a lot of effort into the evening. Turning up in jeans and a t-shirt implies you couldn't be bothered. |
None of my friends would bat an eyelid at someone turning up to such an event in jeans and t-shirt; they would be pretty surprised to get a call asking what everyone was wearing though.
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@foxtrotzulu, but it is always so easy for you chaps when it is Black Tie - we have to spend ages deciding what to wear, likewise weddings and Morning Suits. Years ago we were staying somewhere and the dress code was Elegant Casual which meant that we could wear 'floaty' type things and the men could not wear ties! My OH got a suit out the other weekend for latest grandchild's Baptism and found £20 in the pocket, which was useful for the collection. He rarely wears a suit nowadays other than for funerals though. He does wear jackets a lot - When friends are staying with us in our chalet for the first time I have to warn them that they won't be needing their snowflake sweaters and fleeces around the chalet particularly in the evenings as it is so warm.
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Agreed it means no straight-from-apres-ski-gear, swimwear, dressing gowns or pyjamas. I would add football tops.
I don't think I have been invited to anyone's house in the last twenty years that involves a dress code. Unless fancy dress, or getting into a Mexican night with gusto counts.
We looked at a very nice hotel for Xmas week this season, but were put off when we read that men were expected to wear a jacket and tie at dinner. I find those establishments too stuffy, the staff to deferential, and the guests to self centred and aloof. I prefer a good friendly chat with the bar an about his day, and other guests about their ski day, a bit of craic is good for me. But each to their own, I guess.
Agree with queen b, only time I'm in a suit is weddings and funerals (actually usually a kilt for weddings so probably only funerals).
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My OH got a suit out the other weekend for latest grandchild's Baptism and found £20 in the pocket, which was useful for the collection
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Some years ago, when we were living in Scotland, my OH had to go to a neighbour's funeral. He decided the right thing to wear would be the only suit he had. Thankfully, my mother was staying with us at the time (I was in the office). The suit was brown with quite flared trousers (wedding 1972, though thankfully the flowered tie had disappeard.....). He was rather pleased with being able to get into it and confidently asked my mother what she thought. He was cast down when she told him he looked like he was going to a fancy dress party and it would be far more respectful to wear something else.
When my father died, some years later, my OH borrowed one of his (ie my father's) suits to wear to the funeral and he found a £5 note in the pocket!
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I wear a suit n tie every work day; there's no way I'm wearing that when I don't need to.
At home it's trackie bottoms and t-shirts.
Unless an invite says lounge suits or black tie I go everywhere in jeans and short sleeved shirt.
Casual = converse.
Smart = shoes.
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What is it with you lot and short sleeved shirts? It's not as if they are any more comfortable or fashionable than long sleeved. They may be cooler in summer, but in winter? Why? I must be missing something. I genuinely don't know anyone who would wear a short sleeved shirt at this time of year. I also have a sneaking suspicion you are overheating your houses too! 
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Cold, wintry, dark streets in many places will see lots of young men in short sleeved shirts, in and out of pubs, @foxtrotzulu. I think they're bonkers, but there you go!
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| pam w wrote: |
| Cold, wintry, dark streets in many places will see lots of young men in short sleeved shirts, in and out of pubs, @foxtrotzulu. I think they're bonkers, but there you go! |
Maybe it's to show off the tattoos?
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Well I've just looked looked at the pictures on the hotel website for my upcoming trip to Corvara and it shows 3 well dressed men in full ski wear ( stylish as they are Italien) so I'll take my lead from their pictures .......not.
But at least all the guests seem to be wearing sunglasses on top of their heads so that's OK.
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I genuinely don't know anyone who would give a toss about the length of the sleeves of someone else's shirt.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| What is it with you lot and short sleeved shirts? |
Suns out; guns out
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You know it makes sense.
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I wear a suit n tie every work day; there's no way I'm wearing that when I don't need to.
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And the key difference is who is paying who. If I'm buying a hotel room then as long as I'm not breaking the law of whatever country I'm in, as long as I'm not spoiling the environment for other guests (like going bare footed or displaying builders' bum or wafting around a healthy dose of BO), then what I wear is up to me. I blame low cost airlines - they've made people make hard wardrobe decisions.
I'm old enough that when I went on my first ski trips people did dress for dinner though - tweeds, blazers etc, especially Switzerland and posher French/Austrian/Italian places. Those places are still out there so its horses for courses.
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| Mosha Marc wrote: |
| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| What is it with you lot and short sleeved shirts? |
Suns out; guns out |
I have no idea what you mean. Which suns? What guns?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| swiftoid wrote: |
| I genuinely don't know anyone who would give a toss about the length of the sleeves of someone else's shirt. |
You keep saying that and nobody has really said they do give a toss. We were just wondering why people would do that.
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I was once asked by a conductor, whose career I managed, to cut off the sleeves of a brand new dress shirt. Normally he had a wardrobe of specially made, short-sleeved dress shirts, because he couldn't bear the encumbrance of cuffs around his wrists when he was waving his arms around. However, on this occasion, his luggage got lost somewhere, so we bought him a new dress shirt and chopped the sleeves off. Nowadays many conductors, including that one, don't wear white tie anyway - many wear oriental-style tunic jackets with simple collarless/cuff-less shirts underneath - so it's no longer an issue.
As for interiors in ski resorts, they are invariably hotter than Hades, so short-sleeved shirts seem entirely appropriate.
My then OH and I used to stay quite often in a little hotel on Dartmoor and one winter we got snowed in and, furthermore, we were the only guests. When we returned from a very snowy walk, the lovely couple who ran the hotel suggested that, if we wanted to, we could come down after our ablutions in our dressing gowns and slippers and have supper (their catering was sensationally good) in front of the fire in the sitting room. So that's what we did. Definitely the kind of establishment of which I approve.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| swiftoid wrote: |
| I genuinely don't know anyone who would give a toss about the length of the sleeves of someone else's shirt. |
You keep saying that and nobody has really said they do give a toss. We were just wondering why people would do that. |
I'd have thought the answer to that was rather obvious? Because it's what they like to wear and what they feel comfortable in.
Let me rephrase my last post. I genuinely don't know anybody who would even notice the length of the sleeves of someone random person in a restaurants shirt let alone wonder about why they would be wearing said shirt.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| I was once asked by a conductor, whose career I managed, to cut off the sleeves of a brand new dress shirt. Normally he had a wardrobe of specially made, short-sleeved dress shirts, because he couldn't bear the encumbrance of cuffs around his wrists when he was waving his arms around. However, on this occasion, his luggage got lost somewhere, so we bought him a new dress shirt and chopped the sleeves off. Nowadays many conductors, including that one, don't wear white tie anyway - many wear oriental-style tunic jackets with simple collarless/cuff-less shirts underneath - so it's no longer an issue.. |
Blimey, your bus service is a lot posher than ours.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| Hurtle wrote: |
| I was once asked by a conductor, whose career I managed, to cut off the sleeves of a brand new dress shirt. Normally he had a wardrobe of specially made, short-sleeved dress shirts, because he couldn't bear the encumbrance of cuffs around his wrists when he was waving his arms around. However, on this occasion, his luggage got lost somewhere, so we bought him a new dress shirt and chopped the sleeves off. Nowadays many conductors, including that one, don't wear white tie anyway - many wear oriental-style tunic jackets with simple collarless/cuff-less shirts underneath - so it's no longer an issue.. |
Blimey, your bus service is a lot posher than ours. |
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I rather like the idea of conductors having a manager/agent
"Yeah those barstards on the No 26 don't respect your talents, tell you what I'll leak a story to the Sun, have you give an interview about your dream of Spain and we'll have you on the Eurolines to Sitges by January"
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Breakfast at any all inclusive in Dubai is eye opener. It's like being at the Appleby horse fair.
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Ah, breakfast wear. I must confess to having found compression tights on a very large person a bit of a challenging sight first thing in the morning in Arabba.
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I think I'd rather that, than a large overweight German man in only a pair of budgie smugglers, but admittedly that's more of a hazard in summer holidays
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