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KenX wrote:
@spyderjon, various U-Bows available?
Nope, that's the problem. The Kuluar 9 has a "soft" u-bow and the Kuluar 12 has a "hard" u-bow and ATK aren't quoting any figures for them. If you want a u-bow binding then their excellent Trofeo binding has u-bows in 4, 6, 8 & 10din releases. ATK's USP is independently fully adjustable lateral and vertical releases combined with a lot of longitudinal elasticity etc.
There's two versions with the LT models of the 9 and 12 coming without brakes but including ATK's extremely good kevlar leash. The Kulaur 12 (with brake) shown in BobinCH's is incorrectly labelled as that binding weighs 250g (without mounting screws - as per all ATK's quoted weights!), it's the brakeless LT version that weighs 200g.
The one product gap that the Kuluar fits in would be the high din/very light category so that'd be the Kuluar 12 LT but I'd argue that if a user really needs that higher din then they should be sacrificing a few grams and going for a burlier model &/or with the ability to fine tune the vertical release.
I'm a huge ATK fan and I sell loads of them but this is another example of them producing another 'frankenbinding' from all the other options they do to further over complicate what is an already over complicated product offering.
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Coincidentally, I have Shifts on my new Mantras, I'm not keen on lightweight skis either, I go skiing for the downhill, and it's the engine that counts uphill...
Any lightweight skis I have tried have been rubbish in deep powder or on ice. 3rd pair of Mantra's.
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spyderjon wrote:
The new Kuluar is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Aggressive/higher din users should be on the C-Raider/Raider and others on the Crest.
Can't work out the difference between the Raider and C-Raider. Compared to the crest they look to have 5 different heel heights as opposed to 3 for the crest. Am I right in thinking they are not flat like the Alpinist - are there standard spacer plates available to make them flat?
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DB wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
The new Kuluar is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Aggressive/higher din users should be on the C-Raider/Raider and others on the Crest.
Can't work out the difference between the Raider and C-Raider. Compared to the crest they look to have 5 different heel heights as opposed to 3 for the crest. Am I right in thinking they are not flat like the Alpinist - are there standard spacer plates available to make them flat?
DB, The Raider & C-Raider are 12 din versus the 10 of the Crest. The Raider/C-Raider has 20% more longitudinal elasticity than the Crest and 5mm more length adjustment. The Raider/C-Raider has five climbing bars with magnetic retention versus the 3 non-mag of the Crest. The Raider/C-Raider heels can be fitted with the AL09 Freeride Spacer kit which noticeably increases the power transmission but the Crests can't.
The C-Raider has a carbon composite toe chassis (like the Alpinist toe) which makes it 30g lighter than the Raider. The C-Raider doesn't have the variable touring tension toe of the Raider (which is another solution to a problem that doesn't exist!)
The Alpinist delta isn't flat, it's 2-4mm depending on the boot used. Delta's for the ATK models are:
ATK now offer the AL12 4mm toe shim kit c/w longer screws for their Raider/C-Raider models. I can make toe shims c/w screws for any binding.
On the braked models the brakes can be removed (saving 43g) and ATK now offer the AL11 Brake Seat Cover Set (3g) to stop snow/ice clogging in the brake housing recess = 40g net weight saving.
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spyderjon wrote:
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The Alpinist delta isn't flat, it's 2-4mm depending on the boot used. Delta's for the ATK models are:
ATK now offer the AL12 4mm toe shim kit c/w longer screws for their Raider/C-Raider models. I can make toe shims c/w screws for any binding.
Interesting. I didn’t feel anything like the same delta “back seat” issue on the FR14’s than with my old Fritschi Xenic’s despite the high delta quoted above. Any idea why?
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BobinCH wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
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The Alpinist delta isn't flat, it's 2-4mm depending on the boot used. Delta's for the ATK models are:
ATK now offer the AL12 4mm toe shim kit c/w longer screws for their Raider/C-Raider models. I can make toe shims c/w screws for any binding.
Interesting. I didn’t feel anything like the same delta “back seat” issue on the FR14’s than with my old Fritschi Xenic’s despite the high delta quoted above. Any idea why?
BobinCH, Same boots?
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spyderjon wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
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The Alpinist delta isn't flat, it's 2-4mm depending on the boot used. Delta's for the ATK models are:
ATK now offer the AL12 4mm toe shim kit c/w longer screws for their Raider/C-Raider models. I can make toe shims c/w screws for any binding.
Interesting. I didn’t feel anything like the same delta “back seat” issue on the FR14’s than with my old Fritschi Xenic’s despite the high delta quoted above. Any idea why?
BobinCH, Same boots?
Same boots but very different skis. Quite traditional Kaestle TX98 to heavily rockered DPS Pagoda Tour 112
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I've always mounted those low/little tip rocker cambered Kastle models at +1 to +2cm as I've never liked the factory line - so if you still have them try remounting them.
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@BobinCH, if you want to drop the delta by 4mm I've just got the ATK shims sets in stock c/w extended screws
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And for the ATK models that come with brakes I've also got the new Brake Seat Covers which fill in the recess in the heel base should the user remove the brakes completely. A single brake has a nominal weight of 43g and the covers are 3g each to give a 40g net gain per ski.
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spyderjon wrote:
@BobinCH, if you want to drop the delta by 4mm I've just got the ATK shims sets in stock c/w extended screws
Will ski them a few more times in different conditions to see how they feel. Would that require QKing them or can use the existing holes?
Coincidentally, I have Shifts on my new Mantras, I'm not keen on lightweight skis either, I go skiing for the downhill, and it's the engine that counts uphill...
Any lightweight skis I have tried have been rubbish in deep powder or on ice. 3rd pair of Mantra's.
This is ok if you are super fit but dragging Mantra / Shift weight up a 1500m climb at high altitude leaves you knackered at the top. I have (very) light skis that are good in powder. Not great on ice but manageable when necessary and I don’t go touring to ski ice.
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nevis1003 wrote:
Coincidentally, I have Shifts on my new Mantras, I'm not keen on lightweight skis either, I go skiing for the downhill, and it's the engine that counts uphill...
Any lightweight skis I have tried have been rubbish in deep powder or on ice. 3rd pair of Mantra's.
Reckon these skis would smoke your mantras in the powder
@BobinCH, if you want to drop the delta by 4mm I've just got the ATK shims sets in stock c/w extended screws
Will ski them a few more times in different conditions to see how they feel. Would that require QKing them or can use the existing holes?
Existing holes.
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I follow this with interest and fear. Interesting observing it from a distance and a bit of “distant learning”. Bit of jealousy for those closer to the white stuff. But loads of fear for how complicated touring gear offerings are. @spyderjon, is an encyclopaedia of gear
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spyderjon wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
@BobinCH, if you want to drop the delta by 4mm I've just got the ATK shims sets in stock c/w extended screws
Will ski them a few more times in different conditions to see how they feel. Would that require QKing them or can use the existing holes?
Existing holes.
Ok I’m in for the test. Would be good to properly compare. Can you kindly ship me a set over.
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New toys for a lucky snowHead:
Freeride Touring: 184cm DPS Tour 1 Wailer 112 RP2 c/w ATK C-Raider 12's with Freeride Spacers - 1850g per ski
Touring: 180cm Volkl Rise High c/w ATK Crest 10 - 1450g per ski
And touring for the missus: 158cm DPS Tour 1 Nina 99 c/w ATK Crest 8 - 1466g per ski
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Great stuff.
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Lucky timing straight after a couple of hours of major dumpage. At 1000m
View down to Montreux and the lake. France in the background
First pitch at 1700m
Welcoming committee
It was brutally cold at the top (-15?) but we’ll worth it for the best conditions we’ve had on the local hill
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PowderAdict wrote:
Excellent work that man (men)
The Pagoda Tours are amazing. Stick them on your shopping list
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I’ve already got 184cm Powderworks RP100’s which I guess are the prototypes of the Pagoda range, so they would be a bit of a duplicate (but since when as that ever stopped me ).
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PowderAdict wrote:
I’ve already got 184cm Powderworks RP100’s which I guess are the prototypes of the Pagoda range, so they would be a bit of a duplicate (but since when as that ever stopped me ).
The Tour is a fair bit (500g?) lighter than the normal Pagoda so a joy to tour on and ski long days. Skis really well, especially in 3D snow
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@spyderjon, in 2 minds about whether to mount the toe shims on the ATK’s as I’m really liking them as they are. Would it be a problem to try them and then remove and put back the normal screws if I prefer without? Won’t wear out the thread?
I’ve already got 184cm Powderworks RP100’s which I guess are the prototypes of the Pagoda range, so they would be a bit of a duplicate (but since when as that ever stopped me ).
The Tour is a fair bit (500g?) lighter than the normal Pagoda so a joy to tour on and ski long days. Skis really well, especially in 3D snow
It looks like the Powderworks RP100 was the prototype for the Pagoda tour, rather than the Pagoda, as I’ve just weighed one of mine, and mounted with a ATK Crest 10 it’s 1790gm.
The Pagoda Tour RP100 184 is listed at 1550gm and the ATK Crest 10 at 260-280gm, so 1810gm minimum.
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PowderAdict wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
PowderAdict wrote:
I’ve already got 184cm Powderworks RP100’s which I guess are the prototypes of the Pagoda range, so they would be a bit of a duplicate (but since when as that ever stopped me ).
The Tour is a fair bit (500g?) lighter than the normal Pagoda so a joy to tour on and ski long days. Skis really well, especially in 3D snow
It looks like the Powderworks RP100 was the prototype for the Pagoda tour, rather than the Pagoda, as I’ve just weighed one of mine, and mounted with a ATK Crest 10 it’s 1790gm.
The Pagoda Tour RP100 184 is listed at 1550gm and the ATK Crest 10 at 260-280gm, so 1810gm minimum.
Unlike some I could mention , I haven’t been on snow since Feb 2020, I can’t remember what skiing is like, let alone the skis
I only got about 4 days on them. I bought them for a some big touring days in Japan, but only skied for 2 of the 8 days, due to catching what may have been Covid as Hokkaido was a hot spot at the time.
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PowderAdict wrote:
I can’t remember what skiing is like, let alone the skis
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BobinCH wrote:
@spyderjon, in 2 minds about whether to mount the toe shims on the ATK’s as I’m really liking them as they are. Would it be a problem to try them and then remove and put back the normal screws if I prefer without? Won’t wear out the thread?
No problem so long as you're gentle and don't over torque the screws. No. 3 pozidrive bit required and a squirt of exterior pva wood glue in the holes.
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I was in two minds about the wisdom of buying another set of Xenics for my Scott Superguide Freetour 105s what with some of the niggling issues that I've learned to live/deal with, but at a Black-Friday deal of €305 inc brakes and fitting I sort of forgot those issues.
So I went to collect them today having dropped them off yesterday to find out that there is a new stomp plate design that ensures that the brake will stay in place and that these can be retro-fitted to older Xenics, and they have also changed the front toe piece not that I can see where, so it is much easier to pull up, so all in all pretty pleased.
And whilst I'm not skiing on the new skis just yet as snow cover is a tad sparse the difference in shape is substantial with much more of a shovel at the tip.
Skis weigh in at 1890 same as the old Guides which are 183 vs 185 and the new FreeTours with those tips have more area as well
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Weathercam wrote:
I was in two minds about the wisdom of buying another set of Xenics for my Scott Superguide Freetour 105s what with some of the niggling issues that I've learned to live/deal with, but at a Black-Friday deal of €305 inc brakes and fitting I sort of forgot those issues.
So I went to collect them today having dropped them off yesterday to find out that there is a new stomp plate design that ensures that the brake will stay in place and that these can be retro-fitted to older Xenics, and they have also changed the front toe piece not that I can see where, so it is much easier to pull up, so all in all pretty pleased.
And whilst I'm not skiing on the new skis just yet as snow cover is a tad sparse the difference in shape is substantial with much more of a shovel at the tip.
Skis weigh in at 1890 same as the old Guides which are 183 vs 185 and the new FreeTours with those tips have more area as well
Just the sight of those bi dings gives me the heebie-jeebies
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