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| Ctina wrote: |
| So, where am I likely to need to show this? Assume at Gatwick, then at Salzburg, arrival at hotel and when entering shops, cafes, bars etc? |
Yep, although not always on entry. Usually when someone comes around to your table, they will ask for it before they take your order.
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I'll buy my list pass from the ticket office... Will they want to see it to link it up too or is the QR code checked at every lift (please say no!)?
Also... Is everything pretty much cashless now like in the UK?
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You show your certificate when you but your lift pass, and it will be activated for the week. No one will ask again when you get on the lifts.
Some places are still cash only, so carry enough for at least a meal or two.
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@Scarlet, Was looking at the Schmitten website and they are saying resort only 10% occupancy.
Is that really the case in Austria? I know it's January, and there's still obviously lots of issues but...
https://www.schmitten.at/en
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Erm no, there is a specific provision to avoid quarantine for people that are recovered within 180 days and also double vaccinated. Effectively the recovery is considered equivalent to the booster.
If you've faced something different then it seems to be totally contrary to what I've read from multiple sources! |
Saturday I returned from a week in St Anton via Innsbruck.
I had a negative PCR within 48hrs of arrival. Proof of 2 jabs plus Recovery NO Booster and for the avoidance of doubt No Booster. I didn't complete any additional forms and downloaded the NHS proof to my Apple Wallet.
As we travelled with Crystal our Ski passes were validated when we received them.
I was checked going out at the Airport, then Innsbruck Border Control and finally in my hotel. Every Bar and Restaurant I attended scanned my Recovery QR code.
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Thank you! That's exactly what I thought should be fine... but based on posts from yesterday I was a lot less sure that recovery+2 jabs+PCR would actually work.
If nothing else it's making me more certain that we'd go via Crystal - after all of their own website says that this is fine, we'd have some recourse against them if we were refused entry or told to isolate...
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Of course I'm really hoping we can just be removed from the virus variant list very soon, as there's no good reason for being on it, especially if as is being suggested, we're already past the Omicron peak
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@buchanan101, no idea, but I guess it's possible. Galtür last weekend was empty (although the vis was poor, so a lot of people don't go out), and Kappl on Saturday was busier but not crazy, no queues etc. Someone based in a resort can probably give a better idea though.
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Brilliant, Thanks @Scarlet! 
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| Ctina wrote: |
Hi all, I'm off to Ellmau on 5th Feb and will download as well as take printed copies of NHS QR code (might get one laminated of I get around to it).
So, where am I likely to need to show this? Assume at Gatwick, then at Salzburg, arrival at hotel and when entering shops, cafes, bars etc? I'll buy my list pass from the ticket office... Will they want to see it to link it up too or is the QR code checked at every lift (please say no!)?
Also... Is everything pretty much cashless now like in the UK? |
When you buy your lift pass, take your documents and proof of ID and they validate your pass with what you have provided. That is all that is required for the lift access ( plus your FFP2 mask regardless if you're over 2000m up with virtually nobody in sight never mind approaching 2m )
WE paid for somethings in cash but mainly contactless.
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179 pages later and I really don't know which one to start looking on. Travelling out to Mayrhofen on the 28th from UK via Germany. We're both boosted, do Germany need a PCR? Will anyone in Austria check our PCR's? It's a mine field and I'm below average intelligence
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| Mother hucker wrote: |
| 179 pages later and I really don't know which one to start looking on. Travelling out to Mayrhofen on the 28th from UK via Germany. We're both boosted, do Germany need a PCR? Will anyone in Austria check our PCR's? It's a mine field and I'm below average intelligence |
Are you flying? If so, there's border checks at airports that check your PCR. Apart from that apparently it seems unlikely to get checked via road, and in Austria they only check boosters.
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@Mother hucker, for adults its simple. Germany = fully vaccinated (2 shots currently), no test needed. Austria= 3 shots (not getting into arcane discussions about "recovered" number of days etc) + negative PCR within 48 hours of arrival in Austria. The chances of anyone checking your test result if you arrive in Austria by road are miniscule, really not worth worrying about.
Kids is a complete can of worms, the information is in the thread above but it will take a while to wade through it all as it is very complicated & unclear.
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@munich_irish, super. why can't their government website be as simple as that?
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You know it makes sense.
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Hi. I’m due to travel with my family (wife, 9 years old and 12 year old) to Obertauern in Feb. As I understand it, pre-departure PCR permitting, my youngest is exempt and 12 year old (currently only 1 vaccination) qualifies for 2-G through the Ninja Pass?
Anyone had any experience with testing at resorts to comply with this? Struggling to get answers on how it all works and what the self-isolation rules are if he does test positive while we’re out in Austria (i.e do we ALL have to sit in an apartment for days on end)
Sadly doing this all DIY (booked 2 years ago and moved a year) with no tour operator to field questions, any help much appreciated - don’t want to sack the holiday off but can’t be doing with a super stressful week either!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Mother hucker, because there are all sorts of exceptions and exclusions which dont affect 95% of adults. Also dont forget the pages have been translated from legal German texts into English (presumably by non native English speakers), the result of which is a somewhat clumsy English text.
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Poster: A snowHead
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When you buy your lift pass, take your documents and proof of ID and they validate your pass with what you have provided. That is all that is required for the lift access ( plus your FFP2 mask regardless if you're over 2000m up with virtually nobody in sight never mind approaching 2m )
WE paid for somethings in cash but mainly contactless.
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Thanks @facedown!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Just back from a week in Westendorf with my 11 year old daughter. All in all, a very hassle free COVID experience.
PCR Cert and booster shown at checkin (Belfast) and shown again in Salzburg. All very quick if you have the documents saved on your phone with minimal queueing.
Shown again at Hotel checkin
Masks a bit of a faf but you get used to them. Only really enforced on gondolas, although signs at chairlifts too. Gondolas were usually empty so no sharing.
Bars close at 10pm prompt so you just go to bed. Again, you get used to this and no hangovers next day!
Same efficiency on way home (apart from fog delaying flight)
So after all the stress and hassle of cancelled holidays and PCR etc, it was definitely worth it.
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@crandall, the 9 year old is indeed exempt, and the 12 year old can use the entry PCR test as the first instalment of the Holiday Ninja pass.
A positive test while on holiday results in a 5-10 day quarantine based on a test to release after 5+ days, either in your accommodation or in a central quarantine hotel. As of 6th January contacts who have the booster or 2 vaccines plus recovery are not required to isolate, though I doubt you’d leave a 12 year old on their own for the day while you ski.
Testing locally is generally pretty simple, with results by email next day. For the 12 year old, this means PCR on entry (e.g. Friday for Saturday arrival), lateral flow on Monday to cover Tuesday and Wednesday, then PCR on Wednesday to cover Thu-Sat. All tests are free.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @buchanan101, no idea, but I guess it's possible. Galtür last weekend was empty (although the vis was poor, so a lot of people don't go out), and Kappl on Saturday was busier but not crazy, no queues etc. Someone based in a resort can probably give a better idea though. |
it is very quiet at the moment, way below normal levels for January but more than 10% of what we would normally have at this time of year maybe 30% of that. So it certainly is possible we are at 10% of capacity.
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Thank you @ousekjarr, that's very helpful - and no we wouldn't leave our 12 yr old alone but it sounds like we'd have the option to rotate keeping him company if the worst happened (although that's not gonna make him much happier  )
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Just back from Lech on Saturday, after travelling with Crystal (group of 12 blokes). Fairly painless but a couple of hints-a good idea to take a copy of your passport with you on the slopes. Was asked for passport i.d. as well as proof of vaccination at one restaurant on the way to Warth-no admittance without. Had also booked ski passes with Crystal, turned out these were vouchers that had to be redeemed at a particular lift pass office-we were expecting them at the hotel delivered by the Crystal rep.as in previous years. In fact, didnt see or hear from the rep all week, not even contactable by phone. Could be an issue if you had a serious problem-luckily we didn't and had a fantastic week!
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Tour company representation is very thin on the ground this season. We normally have 3 - 4 reps plus a resort manager from Crystal, this season there is 1 rep with the promise of another before the busy time in February. The resort manager is based in Kitzbuel. Inghams normally have a rep here, this year there is no rep here just a contact in Kitzbuel.
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| johnboy wrote: |
Just back from a week in Westendorf with my 11 year old daughter. All in all, a very hassle free COVID experience.
PCR Cert and booster shown at checkin (Belfast) and shown again in Salzburg. All very quick if you have the documents saved on your phone with minimal queueing.
Shown again at Hotel checkin
Masks a bit of a faf but you get used to them. Only really enforced on gondolas, although signs at chairlifts too. Gondolas were usually empty so no sharing.
Bars close at 10pm prompt so you just go to bed. Again, you get used to this and no hangovers next day!
Same efficiency on way home (apart from fog delaying flight)
So after all the stress and hassle of cancelled holidays and PCR etc, it was definitely worth it. |
Glad you had a good trip & that everything went relatively smoothly.
Subject to a negative test we’ll be heading for the Tirol on Saturday.
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Entered Austria by road today. As expected, no checks at road border, but immediately challenged on my non FFP2 mask at the service area and asked for proof of vax before they’d serve me a coffee. Far more vigilant than Dutch, Germans or French.
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We're due to fly to Salzburg on 19th Feb..
1 of our group is 17 with 2 jabs and proof of positive PCR on the NHS App from September 2021, so I assume he's ok to travel and get lift pass etc?
A 2nd lad in our group is also 17, will have had his 2nd jab later this month, but his proof of recovery will be 186 days old on departure day.
Does this mean he's not eligible for entry to Austria?
A 3rd lad turned 18 in December and is not yet eligible for his booster as it hasn't been 3 months. Is he also not eligible?
It's a minefield.
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@TopGooner, no 1 is fine, no 2 my understanding is that the recovery counts as one of the vaccinations so as long as the gap between recovery and the next shot is less than 180 days should be OK but I can't guarantee it, no 3 not eligible under current rules. The current rules are due to expire at the end of this month so until an announcement is made regarding that everything is pure speculation.
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@TopGooner, if you read the previous page you will see the answer is no, no & no. The first one might be a yes if they can get a certified proof of recovery not the NHS confirmation of positive PCR tests, details of this can be found by wading through the posts above.
Best hope the regulations change before you go.
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@Chris_n, I thought
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Proof of recovery
Proof of recovery can be used for 180 days to enter Austria. A medical certificate including the date of recovery is needed. Please note if travelling from the UK: An NHS email/text of a positive test is not sufficient |
There are so many different versions of all this floating around it is impossible to know which is correct 
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You know it makes sense.
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@munich_irish I've read the previous page and many more before that, plus numerous other webpages including the Austrian government ones. There's contradiction, and some subjective comments, all of which makes the situation difficult to clarify.
If we're really waiting for regulations to change, that's a nightmare.
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@munich_irish, that is why I said I couldn't guarantee it, there are many Austrian agency websites which say various interpretations of the rules. Last thing I read but can't remember where was that it didn't matter which order things were in as long as there were 3 doses (2 if J&J) where one of the 'doses' was infection.
The different interpretations is one of the reasons I haven't posted as much lately as there is just too much contradictory information. Hopefully at the end of the month UK etc come off the naughty step and things become clearer.
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| @TopGooner, no 1 is fine, no 2 my understanding is that the recovery counts as one of the vaccinations so as long as the gap between recovery and the next shot is less than 180 days should be OK but I can't guarantee it, no 3 not eligible under current rules. The current rules are due to expire at the end of this month so until an announcement is made regarding that everything is pure speculation. |
180 days gap between recovery and the next jab, or 180 days since infection... That's a big difference for us. It'll be 186 days since infection when we arrive in Austria.
We may be able to arrange the 2nd jab inside the 180 days. Honestly, I haven't seen that interpretation but would be great if correct
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@TopGooner, yes I asked the question upthread about when the 180 day recovery clock starts ticking, as the NHS recovery pass on the app has no 'date of recovery' shown on it. If it's 180 days from infection then that "might" make it a bit trickier for one of our group, but logically you can't be recovered from the point of first confirmed infection, so you'd expect there to be a period - say 10 or 14 days - assumed after that.
But I can't find any specifics of how either the U.K. or Austria treat this, and my earlier question got rather overtaken by the question of whether recovered plus 2 jabs plus negative PCR gets you in (and I'm now confident it does based on a real account in this thread, plus the Austria tourist board confirmed it today to me - and yes I know they are not perfect either!!).
I think 'minefield' definitely sums it up right now. I'm really hoping we come off the variant list...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks for your response. I guess "recovered" could start from the end of the isolation period, which was 10 days back in the summer. Without a date stated on the NHS App, it's guesswork.
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@TopGooner, yes I asked the question upthread about when the 180 day recovery clock starts ticking, as the NHS recovery pass on the app has no 'date of recovery' shown on it. If it's 180 days from infection then that "might" make it a bit trickier for one of our group, but logically you can't be recovered from the point of first confirmed infection, so you'd expect there to be a period - say 10 or 14 days - assumed after that.
But I can't find any specifics of how either the U.K. or Austria treat this, and my earlier question got rather overtaken by the question of whether recovered plus 2 jabs plus negative PCR gets you in (and I'm now confident it does based on a real account in this thread, plus the Austria tourist board confirmed it today to me - and yes I know they are not perfect either!!).
I think 'minefield' definitely sums it up right now. I'm really hoping we come off the variant list... |
I think the hopes of just about everybody in the UK going to Austria is that they take us off the variant list! Would make things so much more certain. As it is my holiday could be cancelled up to the day of travel which is the most frustrating feeling
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I confirmed with 119 that the recovery period starts from the date of a positive PCR test. Nightmare for us as that’s over the 180 days for 1 of the 17 year olds.
The date is shown on the NHS App and even if downloaded in advance, I suspect the QR code would include expiry of the 180 day period.
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How ridiculous is it that Austria wants 16 / 17 year olds to be triple jabbed (or 2 jabs and proof of recovery) whereas in neighbouring France, a 17 year old needs 0 jabs and a just a negative PCR / passenger locator form if travelling with a vaccinated adult.
Couldn’t be more different 
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@TopGooner, Austria defines anyone 16 and over as an adult (does mean they can buy beer ). One option (though not sure if this solves access to services within Austria) is to fly into Germany where anyone over the age of 5(!) needs 2 shots, no test. In practical terms there are no checks from Germany into Austria, many German residents of similar ages would not have had a 3rd shot and plenty are going skiing in Austria. Agree the whole thing is a mess, hopefully most of this will have gone soon, though I suspect the requirement to be fully vaccinated for travelling will be around for a while.
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Ha. Only yesterday, (at a cost of £200 per person!), I moved flights from Munich to Salzburg to avoid PCR tests from Austria to Germany on the way home.
Couldn't handle the risk of a failed PCR test and not being able to get to the flight home from Munich.
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PCR Certificate Checks
The Austrian Police/Authorities can request your proof of Negative PCR anytime your in Austria.
Only a couple of weeks ago Police raided a couple of places here in Arlberg to make sure everyone had 2G proof & ID (Passport) on them but also PCR Certification for those who legally need it.
Some UK, Dutch customers could not produce their Negative PCR travel Certificates. The Police asked them to leave .
My guess is they had to produce them at the Police Station ..I dont know the outcome ..
2G is only necessary for Access Bars,Restaurants etc but for the UK, NL , DK & NO (who travelled from) must carry or be able to show their Negative PCR certificates which allowed them legally enter into Austria....
If your travelling by Car or Train checks are unlikely but you must have this to produce at anytime during your time in Austria
TO be Very Blunt Do not risk it while it remains a Austrian Legal requirement ,
High Fines and you could end up with a criminal record…
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Someone mentioned ID ...
Under Austrian law, you're required to have your passport readily accessible at all times..
National ID Cards & Passports are the ONLY acceptable form of ID ... But be aware Driving Licenses are not acceptable.ID
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@TopGooner, why do you need a PCR test to go from Austria to UK via Germany, Germany doesnt require tests for fully vaccinated or transit and UK needs a 2 day LTF post arrival nothing pre departure?
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