 Poster: A snowHead
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| Steilhang wrote: |
| @enduroaid, not so sure about lockdown. Slalom in Flachau has just been cancelled due to extreme incidence in Flachau @ 7600/100K. If it's that high there then I would be surprised if it's much different in the rest of Salzburg & Tirol. |
There are only 3,000 permanent residents in Flachau, so the vast majority of those positive were the Dutch and Germans partying here in the last week.  Most of whom have now jumped in their cars and headed home. By my rough maths and calculating how many people were here in the last week. At any give time and place, 1:4 people had COVID. Thanks folks.
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| bitsand wrote: |
Could I ask another question. One other member of our party is isolating currently after a positive PCR test. Does anyone know how to go about getting a proof of recovery certificate. He is worried that his 48 hour PCR test might return positive result.
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Welcome to my world - a GP might be persuaded to sign the Austrian declaration that they have recovered, but as I understand it there's currently no getting around the requirement for a negative PCR on entry to avoid quarantine. Entry is one thing - being allowed free roaming in Austria is something else. Others on here disagree, based on selective reading of other parts of the current rules, but I believe those parts only apply to standard entry from non virus variant countries.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
| Steilhang wrote: |
| @enduroaid, not so sure about lockdown. Slalom in Flachau has just been cancelled due to extreme incidence in Flachau @ 7600/100K. If it's that high there then I would be surprised if it's much different in the rest of Salzburg & Tirol. |
That'll be all the Dutch and Germans partying here in the last week. Most of whom have now jumped in their cars and headed home. Thanks folks. |
According to the local mayor quoted in Kronen Zeitung, the case rate is calculated based on the population of the town, which is about 5000. But with 15000 guests in town, that means the rate ends up being 4 times what it is in reality, so a leap to 7600/100K would actually be 1900/100K if they accounted for the number of people in town at that time. Still not great, but not as bad as the initial suggestion.
But yes, people being irresponsible is a major part of the problem.
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
| Steilhang wrote: |
| @enduroaid, not so sure about lockdown. Slalom in Flachau has just been cancelled due to extreme incidence in Flachau @ 7600/100K. If it's that high there then I would be surprised if it's much different in the rest of Salzburg & Tirol. |
There are only 3,000 permanent residents in Flacahau, so the vast majority of those positive were the Dutch and Germans partying here in the last week. Most of whom have now jumped in their cars and headed home. By my rough maths and calculating how many people were here in the last week. At any give time and place, 1:4 people had COVID. Thanks folks. |
Yesterday the Mayor said ""We have a good 3,000 inhabitants, but currently there are 15,000 to 16,000 people in the town with guests and staff. We are a small town at the moment," he told the APA. On the other hand, not a single one of the 230 active cases currently needs medical treatment. "Half of those affected, usually young people, are also without symptoms.......Around 60 percent of those infected are tourism workers or ski instructors, and around 40 percent are local people.". So he is saying not tourists.. but they get to go home I guess and the live cases are the workers and residents? also while i get the incidence rate is calculated using permanent residents the actual incidence is nearer 1500 per 100,000
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@ousekjarr, I agree with you  as a double check I did the online form and you can get to just beyond the page were you select the type of documentation that you have , then on the next page when you enter the country of residence it says your aren't allowed in.
Radar minor had it and recovered 20 December but is due to travel 14 Jan and Likely to be positive
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
| Steilhang wrote: |
| @enduroaid, not so sure about lockdown. Slalom in Flachau has just been cancelled due to extreme incidence in Flachau @ 7600/100K. If it's that high there then I would be surprised if it's much different in the rest of Salzburg & Tirol. |
There are only 3,000 permanent residents in Flachau, so the vast majority of those positive were the Dutch and Germans partying here in the last week. Most of whom have now jumped in their cars and headed home. By my rough maths and calculating how many people were here in the last week. At any give time and place, 1:4 people had COVID. Thanks folks. |
Kitzbuhel/Tirol and Sankt Johann/Salzburgerland figures are really high.
https://covid19-dashboard.ages.at/?area=10
Posted before but useful in case anyone missed it.
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@holidayloverxx, @ousekjarr, We're all saying the same thing. But 230 out of 3,000 is an IR of around 7,500 per 100,000. Seeing as the Flachau figures were <20 out of 3,000 in the week before Christmas, I think it's pretty clear where it all came from. Still, Feb is looking good as we'll have all recovered
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@RedandWhiteFlachau, agreed
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The figures don't really look that high nationwide* in Austria with what peak Omicron is likely to produce. Looking at pro rata rates with Uk and France, Austria may well be looking at 30,000 plus cases per day before long (latest number from Worldometer is 10,000); it's going to happen. Austria seems to have done well knocking down the Delta peak with its lockdown but Omicron is a different beast.
*Maybe though looking at incident rates across Austria the Tirol already is near an Omicron peak for the reasons suggested?
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"The measures at a glance:
Urgent recommendation to work from home wherever possible, the social partners should also be approached here.
Wear a mask outdoors, wherever a two-meter distance is not possible (as suggested by Health Minister Wolfgang Mückstein ).
Stricter controls (entrance or cash register) in retail and, following the example of Salzburg, a general 2G rule to enforce the actually applicable lockdown for unvaccinated people.
The quarantine after contact with people who have tested positive is generally limited to five days - from then on you can test yourself.
There is also a shorter deadline for the Green Pass - it will expire after six months in order to force booster vaccinations."
So not much affecting ski/travel
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So basically it's "as you are" in terms of the focus of this forum.
Entry restrictions stay in place (no mention of these).
curfew of 10pm for bars / restaurants and seated customers only still in place.
No "apres ski". (fine with me).
Masks (FFP2 only) still required indoors and on lifts / public transport.
Masks (FFP2 only) now legally required in all outdoor settings where 2m separation cannot be achieved....personally I cant see this being an issue, outdoor catering will just move tables 2m apart..easy
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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So is it still 14 days isolation if you get Covid in Austria?
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@Adam9, @enduroaid, thank you both. Good news.
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You know it makes sense.
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@2planks - sorry no it has been shorted to 5 days and then test to release from that point onwards with a free PCR.
The rules around contacts etc have changed A LOT so best read for yourself, but in terms of the main focus of most people on here i.e can i still get into austria? can i still eat out? can i go to a bar? etc etc its pretty much as you are.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@ousekjarr, This is the thing I am most worried about as I have read you can still get a positive test from a PCR, several weeks after recovering, and the Austrian rules seem pretty black and white on your needing a negative PCR to enter...
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Poster: A snowHead
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| LukeRibs wrote: |
| @ousekjarr, This is the thing I am most worried about as I have read you can still get a positive test from a PCR, several weeks after recovering, and the Austrian rules seem pretty black and white on your needing a negative PCR to enter... |
and if you test positive there (and they find out), a negative PCR to exit. You could be there for the rest of your life in Colditz given that the PCR could show you as positive for weeks
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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They have not thought that through
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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▶ ️ Controls and penalties:
Action sharp at 2G controls next week.
From January 11th: Obligation to check in retail, e.g. upon receipt or at the latest when paying
From February 3: Temporary entry bans in the event of gross violations of Covid measures
from February 3: increase in penalties
▶ ️ New quarantine from Saturday (January 8th):
In future there will no longer be a K1 or K2, just a contact person
If you have been vaccinated three times, or if everyone involved has worn an FFP2 mask, you will no longer be a contact person
All contact persons can test themselves with PCR on the 5th day
Contact persons in the critical infrastructure can continue to work with a daily test and an FFP2 mask
People who tested positive can test themselves from the 5th day onwards
▶ ️ Stricter protective measures from Tuesday (January 11th)
FFP2 mask also outdoors where a two-meter distance is not possible (e.g. pedestrian zones, queues, crowds)
Federal states can also make it mandatory to wear a mask in heavily frequented places
Wherever possible, home office should become the rule and not the exception
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| Swen wrote: |
| LukeRibs wrote: |
| @ousekjarr, This is the thing I am most worried about as I have read you can still get a positive test from a PCR, several weeks after recovering, and the Austrian rules seem pretty black and white on your needing a negative PCR to enter... |
and if you test positive there (and they find out), a negative PCR to exit. You could be there for the rest of your life in Colditz given that the PCR could show you as positive for weeks |
Not true. After 10 days, provided you are asymptomatic and your CT level is >30 (Not contagious) you are no longer required to quarantine and can get a Recovery Pass.
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Yes but if they use PCR to determine that then you may not be able to pass that
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So we're still talking negative PCR to enter Austria regardless of vaccination status? Bit of a bummer but something I'll have to live with and hope it changes by February!
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[quote="enduroaid"]@2planks - sorry no it has been shorted to 5 days and then test to release from that point onwards with a free PCR.
says PCR for release
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One thing that might be an issue is that Austria is reducing the "Green pass" validity to 6 months, that might affect some at the very end of the season if they had their 3rd shot very early.
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| Swen wrote: |
| Yes but if they use PCR to determine that then you may not be able to pass that |
No, you are assumed to be non infectious a number of days after a positive PCR test. At least that's the way it works in the UK (as that's when "recovery" appears on your Covid pass). I assume it's the same in Austria
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hope so
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| Swen wrote: |
| Yes but if they use PCR to determine that then you may not be able to pass that |
If you can't "pass" a PCR test with a CT of >30, then you're are still contagious. A Positive PCR with a CT >30 doesn't matter.
By way of example, this week, Guest A tested positive on 31 Dec 21 with a CT of 20.2. Re-tested on 4 Jan 22 and had a CT of 24.5 so must now stay in quarantine until 10 Jan 22, after which he is free to go, regardless of CT level as long as he is asymptomatic. No further tests required.
If Guest A had recorded a CT of 30.1 on 4 Jan 22, he would have been released today.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
| Swen wrote: |
| Yes but if they use PCR to determine that then you may not be able to pass that |
If you can't "pass" a PCR test with a CT of >30, then your are still contagious. A Positive PCR with a CT >30 doesn't matter. |
so it does not matter if you are contagious? should that be less than?
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| One thing that might be an issue is that Austria is reducing the "Green pass" validity to 6 months, that might affect some at the very end of the season if they had their 3rd shot very early. |
I am JUST Ok...! I think (as it's 180 days, not 6 months). Booster 18th November. Am in Obergurgl leaving on April 10th...
No, my maths is absolute rubbish! That's 5 months; had to put it in one of those calculators; 143 days
But we can't get a 4th jab in the UK yet...
(Hope Germany doesn't do the same; am planning to visit Berlin in late May...leaving exactly on 180 days!)
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You know it makes sense.
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anyway it seems if you dont conform to the rules today, just wait for tomorrow and check again, one day you may be able to set off, no guarantees on returning.
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@Swen, Sighs... CT stands for Cyclic Threshold. In layman's terms, the number of times you have to spin the sample to record a positive test. The higher the CT the less infectious you are. With Alpha and Delta variants, CT readings of 5-10 were common on first tests. With Omicron it is more likley to be in the low 20's. In Austria the figure of 30 is when the authorities deem you safe to be released.
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Poster: A snowHead
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or even arriving if the plane is late
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Cant wait for a 4th Jab.... seeing as 1,2 & 3 have failed to work 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
| @Swen, Sighs... CT stands for Cyclic Threshold. In layman's terms, the number of times you have to spin the sample to record a positive test. The higher the CT the less infectious you are. With Alpha and Delta variants, CT readings of 5-10 were common on first tests. With Omicron it is more likley to be in the low 20's. |
yes but you said that PCR test with a CT of >30 means then you're are still contagious, but being contagious doesn't matter. Not looking for an argument, just the way it reads
"PCR test with a CT of >30, then you're are still contagious. A Positive PCR with a CT >30 doesn't matter."
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| One thing that might be an issue is that Austria is reducing the "Green pass" validity to 6 months, that might affect some at the very end of the season if they had their 3rd shot very early. |
Unless the rules changed again Green Pass is proof of 2 jabs and reducing that validity to 6 months is to encourage uptake of the booster. I don't think booster validity is the same as green pass is it?
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@Swen, I said, "If you can't pass a PCR Test".
Your PCR test may still be giving a positive reading but if your CT level is GREATER THAN 30, you are no longer considered contagious and can be released before the 10 day point. Or, you are asymptomatic and have completed 10 days of quarantine.
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@sah, I cant keep up, so you may well be correct
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Any one know when the next review of the rules is due (particularly with regards to the entry requirements to get into Austria)?
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@RedandWhiteFlachau, So my friends daughters got their 2nd on 13th and 19th Dec (one turning 18 Jan and one 22) so aren’t eligible for their booster as yet, we are due to fly 5th Feb to Salzburg, so are they ok as far as you’ve been advised?
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
@Swen, I said, "If you can't pass a PCR Test".
Your PCR test may still be giving a positive reading but if your CT level is GREATER THAN 30, you are no longer considered contagious and can be released before the 10 day point. Or, you are asymptomatic and have completed 10 days of quarantine. |
cheers, sounds right when you put it like that, shame they make you quarantine if you go into Austria in same state
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| PowderQueen wrote: |
| Any one know when the next review of the rules is due (particularly with regards to the entry requirements to get into Austria)? |
The 31st is what i've seen thrown around, but could change earlier.
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