 Poster: A snowHead
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| radar wrote: |
| @munich_irish,. I'm hoping that when they have got over Christmas we will have some better clarity, especially double wax and recovered. |
Yes... in breaking news the Austrians have now also banned non-serviced skis from entering the country! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Bergmeister, 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Tom H wrote: |
| jirac18 wrote: |
| Tom H wrote: |
@jirac18,
The Austrian national tourist office website does not state tourism from UK is not allowed. As they are a website for tourists I think its doubtful they would not spell it out clearly.
https://www.austria.info/en |
Like I said some still suffering wishful thinking |
Not me I can’t go due to covid. Was hoping you might clarify your position with some hard evidence. Unlikely. |
Can’t much more hard evidence than the Austrian government health ministry website which is what I’ve either directly copied and pasted or summarised from. 
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I will definitely be working on 48hr PCR. Even in South Wales there are clinics that do it so no need to worry about the post.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It’ll be interesting to see what actually happens on the ground over the next few days. I’m due to arrive on the 1st January. I have PCR tests ready to use, but the 48 hrs window is a bit tight ( I might need to get an in person fast one??).
I am Keeping open the option to spend the first 10 days of my trip on Switzerland, then train to Saalbach.??
For now watching and planning!!
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@Yorksboy, that’s it, best to be flexible with your plans and keeping it independent is better it’s too complicated with the TOs as they’ve got too many guests or not enough!
Just sort yourself out it’s easier I think.
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@VolklAttivaS5, Totally agree. So much easier without kids in tow as well!
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@Bergmeister, looking forward to the surge 
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We generally blame Boris and Co for muddled thinking and "dither", but this situation is bonkers (admittedly a first world problem). However, here goes with my current situation 26th Dec-2nd Jan and feedback from various third party emails and phone calls
Flight Jet 2 Innsbruck Hotel via Sunweb still reporting we can go with a booster and PCR 72hours all tickets and vouchers issued including an update today as we've lost some of party who were understandably jittery.
My stepdaughter (adult law student not in year 6  ) has just spoken to Austrian Embassy in London 10 minutes ago and they have confirmed the same requirements.
We are PCR-ing this afternoon and still crossing everything and hoping for the best.
Good luck to everyone and Happy Christmas
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Yep - I only looked just now when an email from the hotel this morning said "things have changed again after the email we sent you yesterday" and they linked to the Austria.info site.
They did also say they're looking forward to us visiting! |
Hopefully you can sort the tests in time. I assume you are going as a tourist from UK? |
Yes, should be OK. The bigger worry is the test coming back positive, I think; I was pretty sanguine about it but the Omicron rate in our area is rapidly increasing such that the balance of risk (to travel) is pushing us to move the booking for the group to March, which that hotel are being really fair about, TBH.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| esaw1 wrote: |
| @VolklAttivaS5, Totally agree. So much easier without kids in tow as well! |
Way easier!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Uncle Rico, have you all had the booster?
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| ptex wrote: |
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| ptex wrote: |
Yep - I only looked just now when an email from the hotel this morning said "things have changed again after the email we sent you yesterday" and they linked to the Austria.info site.
They did also say they're looking forward to us visiting! |
Hopefully you can sort the tests in time. I assume you are going as a tourist from UK? |
Yes, should be OK. The bigger worry is the test coming back positive, I think; I was pretty sanguine about it but the Omicron rate in our area is rapidly increasing such that the balance of risk (to travel) is pushing us to move the booking for the group to March, which that hotel are being really fair about, TBH. |
Yeah the ‘breakthrough infections’ thread makes an interesting read! I’ve done 3 lateral flows (negative) this week and have just done my drive through ‘up to 2 day PCR’ so we shall see what that comes out to be! Nothing would surprise me.
By the way for those that need a PCR done before or after travel, can recommend Express Tests T4 Heathrow drive in (the old T4 Long Stay carpark). Results are back next day by 10pm is the claim which is why I did it as 48 hours from now takes us into Christmas Day itself. I want my Christmas Dinner (elsewhere) so if it does come back by tomorrow at 10pm that’s a goer for these time sensitive pre-travel tests that you need back within 48 hours.
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You know it makes sense.
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£69 mind but there’s no paying for parking whilst you pop in there, it was superbly organised and I went there an hour early too as I got out of the airport sooner than anticipated.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Uncle Rico wrote: |
We generally blame Boris and Co for muddled thinking and "dither", but this situation is bonkers (admittedly a first world problem). However, here goes with my current situation 26th Dec-2nd Jan and feedback from various third party emails and phone calls
Flight Jet 2 Innsbruck Hotel via Sunweb still reporting we can go with a booster and PCR 72hours all tickets and vouchers issued including an update today as we've lost some of party who were understandably jittery.
My stepdaughter (adult law student not in year 6 ) has just spoken to Austrian Embassy in London 10 minutes ago and they have confirmed the same requirements.
We are PCR-ing this afternoon and still crossing everything and hoping for the best.
Good luck to everyone and Happy Christmas |
Just be aware that it is being posted that the 72 hours in now 48 ! (see further up this page)
or here (dated 22 dec) == https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information/entry-regulations
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Poster: A snowHead
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Crystal ski just updated their website with the following, so it appears they at least are forging ahead on the basis that the Austrian ministry of health website is incorrect and are taking the Tourist Info Dept press release as current and correct. Either way they are not cancelling anyone else other than those due to fly out this Christmas weekend. I give up with trying to make an absolute decision on what is what!
For customers due to holiday in Austria from 1st January to 8th January that want to change their holiday, we’ve extended our Crystal Holiday Promise and changes can be made fee-free up until 29th December.
For customers due to holiday in Austria from 9th January to 31st January that want to change their holiday can do so up to 14 days before their departure with our Crystal Holiday Promise.
For customers due to travel 1st February onwards that want to change their holiday can do so up to 28 days before their departure with our Crystal Holiday Promise.
We’d like to thank our customers for their understanding and patience. We’ll continue to monitor the situation and keep customers updated.
Updated: Thursday December 23rd 2021, 2:00pm (UK time)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| jirac18 wrote: |
| Tom H wrote: |
| jirac18 wrote: |
| Tom H wrote: |
@jirac18,
The Austrian national tourist office website does not state tourism from UK is not allowed. As they are a website for tourists I think its doubtful they would not spell it out clearly.
https://www.austria.info/en |
Like I said some still suffering wishful thinking |
Not me I can’t go due to covid. Was hoping you might clarify your position with some hard evidence. Unlikely. |
Can’t much more hard evidence than the Austrian government health ministry website which is what I’ve either directly copied and pasted or summarised from. |
Perhaps a link would be more useful. Let us check for ourselves.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The link has already been posted on page 146
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@radar, Yes we've all been boosted Auntie Rico and myself because we're ancient and the two girls jumped in as soon as it went walk in
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@Uncle Rico, thanks, that’s good, Radar junior got covid before the booster.
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@ptex, and then if you scroll down as has been posted several times by a number of people it then says the following which is what is causing all the confusion:
The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours.
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It seems the regs have not been written yet, which is why there is a lot of contradictory information. The answer to pretty much any question above about rules from 25.12 is “we don't know”, and unfortunately, until that publication occurs, there isn't much to go on.
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| jirac18 wrote: |
@ptex, and then if you scroll down as has been posted several times by a number of people it then says the following which is what is causing all the confusion:
The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours. |
Accepting that it has not written into law and not wanting to get into an argument, I'm not sure what you've posted is any different - we're saying exactly the same thing; UK on the variant country list, no entry without 10 day quarantine or triple vax plus PCR. The additional helpful bit of infomation (for us) is that half the group are dual UK/EU passport holders...
At the end of the day it's a first world problem and we're the fortuante ones to be talking about travel and not about whether we're going to be alive because we're lucky to have had vaccines made available to us in the first place.
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| jirac18 wrote: |
@ptex, and then if you scroll down as has been posted several times by a number of people it then says the following which is what is causing all the confusion:
The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours. |
The below is from the link within Ptex’s last post:
Classification of four additional countries as virus variant areas (Appendix 1 of the entry regulations) : Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and the United Kingdom. There is no landing ban for flights from these countries!
In addition, the following countries are still considered virus variant areas , flights from these countries are also subject to a landing ban: Angola, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa.
It is different from the quote you are giving. Are you editing this?
As pasted I take it to mean that there are four countries that are in a new classification of countries that do not have landing bans! (Exclamation mark is not mine) but may be in Appendix 1. the other countries do have landing bans. I take landing bans to mean bans on flights for tourism. It seems that most other people including Austrian hoteliers and tour operators also see it this way.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Crystal emailed me today to say its all systems go for 8th January so they seem to think that we are good if boosted plus PCR or they have read it wrong and come to the wrong conclusion
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| ptex wrote: |
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@ptex, and then if you scroll down as has been posted several times by a number of people it then says the following which is what is causing all the confusion:
The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours. |
Accepting that it has not written into law and not wanting to get into an argument, I'm not sure what you've posted is any different - we're saying exactly the same thing; UK on the variant country list, no entry without 10 day quarantine or triple vax plus PCR. The additional helpful bit of infomation (for us) is that half the group are dual UK/EU passport holders...
At the end of the day it's a first world problem and we're the fortuante ones to be talking about travel and not about whether we're going to be alive because we're lucky to have had vaccines made available to us in the first place. |
Thanks for the reminder. I think the reason I’m getting my teethe into this is the lack of clarity is incredibly frustrating and potentially expensive. I just want clarity. I have said I’m out for now due to positive LFD but I am clutching on to the slim chance my PCR comes in negative. If it does I could be travelling 25/12 and want to be absolutely certain of entry.
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You know it makes sense.
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@ptex, @Swen, I put a post on the other thread (not sure why there is two). I found the official Austrian Gazette where details of all Federal legislation is published. The legislation relating to this has not yet been updated despite it being dated 22.12. Hence all the confusion because there are currently no official updated regulations, everyone is guessing (if you want to look for yourselves see here, paragraph 6 & annex 1 being the relevant parts). Logically it would seem UK based with x3 jabs & PCR will be OK, but there is still no official confirmation. Very frustrating if you are trying organise a holiday.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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cheers, for that @ptex, if it were not for this forum I would have started to wax my skis (if Crystal had not lost the carriage booking which is a whole other story), not a done deal yet. Keep up the good work.
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Poster: A snowHead
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An update from The Rico Gang JET 2 have just confirmed the 48hr PCR having just deposited our 72hr swabs aghhhh
A while you wait 1- 3 hrs set booked for tomorrow lunch time and after that I think its time to call time on next week's trip should the rules change again
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| ptex wrote: |
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@ptex, and then if you scroll down as has been posted several times by a number of people it then says the following which is what is causing all the confusion:
The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours. |
Accepting that it has not written into law and not wanting to get into an argument, I'm not sure what you've posted is any different - we're saying exactly the same thing; UK on the variant country list, no entry without 10 day quarantine or triple vax plus PCR. The additional helpful bit of infomation (for us) is that half the group are dual UK/EU passport holders... |
No - you are saying almost the opposite! (This is a friendly argument )
The critical part of @jirac18's post is that "Entry from these countries is generally prohibited" - including from the UK. It is only where entry IS permitted/authorised (i.e. for EU/EEA citizens etc.) that the rule about three jabs / PCR become relevant. Since this is from the health ministry website it ought to be more reliable than the tourist office (.info) website.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@ecureuil, thank you, I was starting to think I was going mad. I’m glad you see my point, my only point. There have been some odd strangely argumentative posts and just couldn’t see why they weren’t seeing what I was seeing. Hey if it turns out I’m wrong I’ll be happy to acknowledge it straight away.
Anyways for me my posts aren’t about trying to be right or wrong just to help understand a reality which is so confusing for all of us.
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@jirac18, no argument from me btw I read your posts and came to the same conclusion.
However following updates from our service providers and a phone call to the Embassy we were/are hanging on jumping through every hoop(perhaps stupidly)
I get that many will de-stress by cancelling and rebooking but Auntie is a teacher so slightly fewer options down the line and so decided to push on
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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For anyone out here in Austria, all gastronomy told to close by 4pm tomorrow. Businesses received e-mail yesterday.
Our plan - late lunch on mountain and petrol station for sandwiches for evening.
Edit: this is Kitzbuhel. Don’t know if same for all of Austria.
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@jirac18,
You have said as follows
“ Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited “
Is this a direct quote from https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Coronavirus---Aktuelle-Ma%C3%9Fnahmen.html#einreiseregeln-ab-dem-25-dezember-2021 ?
Honestly not being argumentative for the sake of it. I want to see what you are seeing.
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@Tom H, yes it is. As I’ve tried to say several times. Scroll down through the page as described. Going round in circles. I’m out.
Edit* third paragraph from the bottom of the page.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Thu 23-12-21 19:15; edited 1 time in total
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| Dougie wrote: |
For anyone out here in Austria, all gastronomy told to close by 4pm tomorrow. Businesses received e-mail yesterday.
Our plan - late lunch on mountain and petrol station for sandwiches for evening.
Edit: this is Kitzbuhel. Don’t know if same for all of Austria. |
That’s going to be a pain. Does gastronomy include bars? I can cope without food on the mountain but I’ll need a lemonade stop at least once a day.
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| andybomb1 wrote: |
| Dougie wrote: |
For anyone out here in Austria, all gastronomy told to close by 4pm tomorrow. Businesses received e-mail yesterday.
Our plan - late lunch on mountain and petrol station for sandwiches for evening.
Edit: this is Kitzbuhel. Don’t know if same for all of Austria. |
That’s going to be a pain. Does gastronomy include bars? I can cope without food on the mountain but I’ll need a lemonade stop at least once a day. |
Not seen anything about this in the press, Gastronomy closes at 10pm. One of the businesses here just opened today, pretty sure they wouldn't have done that if they have to close at 4pm tomorrow.
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| Chris_n wrote: |
| andybomb1 wrote: |
| Dougie wrote: |
For anyone out here in Austria, all gastronomy told to close by 4pm tomorrow. Businesses received e-mail yesterday.
Our plan - late lunch on mountain and petrol station for sandwiches for evening.
Edit: this is Kitzbuhel. Don’t know if same for all of Austria. |
That’s going to be a pain. Does gastronomy include bars? I can cope without food on the mountain but I’ll need a lemonade stop at least once a day. |
Not seen anything about this in the press, Gastronomy closes at 10pm. One of the businesses here just opened today, pretty sure they wouldn't have done that if they have to close at 4pm tomorrow. |
Here in Flachau (like everywhere else!) tomorrow is Christmas Eve and as usual, most Austrian establishments will close early for family celebrations. All open for dinner/drinks on Christmas Day and I've just booked a table in Ema's Bar for New Year's Eve. Sadly only until 10pm when they have to close. 
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