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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@boabski, that is the current understanding but the official regulations have not been published yet. Until they are (over night I assume) nothing is confirmed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm arriving on the 24th, before the new restrictions. I have a flight and hire car waiting, and will confirm a hotel booking tomorrow in Saalbach/Leogang. I've been before and usually drive from Salzburg via Lofer, cutting across a little bit of Germany.
Are there any problems transiting Germany for 30 minutes from Austria by car? We are all triple jabbed but won't have any PCR test evidence.
I believe it's allowed under exemption #1 (but I'm interested in practice rather than theory).
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @sussexmartlet, leaving Austria for where? If return to UK you need a pre departure LFT. In theory you are barred from transiting Germany to get a plane though plenty seem to be doing so, so just being fully vaccinated does for that. You need a PCR to get into Austria from UK assuming x3 jabs. |
Thank you
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Just in the taxi on the way back to Munich Airport. Like those yesterday I will feed back on what it was like.
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The Health Ministry website has been updated https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Coronavirus---Aktuelle-Ma%C3%9Fnahmen.html
Translated extract
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Classification of four additional countries as virus variant areas (Appendix 1 of the entry regulations) : Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and the United Kingdom. There is no landing ban for flights from these countries!
In addition, the following countries are still considered virus variant areas , flights from these countries are also subject to a landing ban: Angola, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa.
The following applies to persons who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration obligation and immediate commencement of a 10-day quarantine - no earlier than the fifth day with PCR test. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
Due to the data available to Omikron entry of virus variant areas for will triple vaccinated persons in case of a max. 48 hours old negative PCR tests quarantine freely allows. People who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is not more than 48 hours old. |
What is not clear is if the above allows entry for Tourism or for non EU citizens as it also says at the bottom of the page
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The 11th amendment to the COVID-19 Entry Ordinance 2021 comes into force on December 25th. Due to the new virus variant Omikron, there is a tightening of the entry into Austria:
Classification of the following additional countries as virus variant areas ("Appendix 1 of the Entry Regulation "):
Angola, Botswana, Denmark, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway , Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa and the United Kingdom
Entry from these countries is generally prohibited
Essentially, only Austrian citizens, EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or habitual abode in Austria are allowed to enter. Entry for humanitarian reasons or in the urgent interest of the republic is also possible. There are also a few other exceptions.
The following regulations apply to people who are authorized to enter from these countries:
Registration for pre-travel clearance at https://entry.ptc.gv.at/
Immediate start of a ten-day quarantine. The quarantine is deemed to have ended if a further PCR test is carried out at the earliest on the fifth day after entry , the result of which is negative. The day of entry is to be regarded as "day zero".
People who have been vaccinated three times may enter the country free of quarantine if they have a negative PCR test that is no longer than 48 hours old . Persons who have been vaccinated twice with Johnson & Johnson are allowed to enter the country free of quarantine if a negative PCR test is no longer than 48 hours. |
I am afraid my interpretation of this is no entry for tourism and no entry for non EU citizens. Others might have more details.
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@munich_irish, sounds like it
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@SYL, the "exception" you quote is not relevant as that only applies if you transited an area of concern, you have arrived from one. Legally you are prohibited from entering Germany unless you are a German citizen or resident (assuming you arrive from the UK), even then you would need a PCR test. In practice unlikely you will get checked though it is a possibility. If you do you are likely to be turned back and have to go the long way round fully in Austria.
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Taxi full of people including me just got waved through by the Border Police
They were definitely stopping some cars though.
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On that note when I’d crossed the border from Germany to Austria in 2019 in my own car and vice versa I can’t remember there being a checkpoint or anything? It just said ‘Osterreich’ or ‘Deutschland’ after an imaginary line in the road.
So do they put police on the border and have a check point during certain circumstances like now or are they always there? It’s just I can’t remember seeing any before.
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Crystal do a discount deal with their preferred testing partner Chronomics but as yet there is no option to add a predeparture PCR to the inbound Lateral flow and PCR package that many of their customers will have purchased so we have to hope they add something or we have to go off and book PCR departure checks separately at higher cost and scattered over multiple providers. All this at a time of year when the postal system is close to collapse.
Absolutely nothing is joined up and there are so many points of failure where you could be denied access to travel its getting overwhelming with so much to worry about.
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Well we simply can’t get a PCR before travelling back via Munich because all the test centres in the Salzburg area are closed over Christmas. So we will have to chance it with the C19 antigen test instead. Wish us luck!
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@munich_irish, while I don't disagree with your assessment, it doesn't really make sense because the PCR concession seems to have been made to placate the tourism industry, so denying entry to tourists doesn't work. I guess this is where the EU/non-EU definition comes in, but even then, the UK has a much larger population than the other 3 countries put together, so it's still quite damaging.
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You know it makes sense.
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@VolklAttivaS5, we noticed that too, on our route last week, it was a temporary hut not manned, they probably rotate the manning of them.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Swen wrote: |
Crystal do a discount deal with their preferred testing partner Chronomics but as yet there is no option to add a predeparture PCR to the inbound Lateral flow and PCR package that many of their customers will have purchased so we have to hope they add something or we have to go off and book PCR departure checks separately at higher cost and scattered over multiple providers. All this at a time of year when the postal system is close to collapse.
Absolutely nothing is joined up and there are so many points of failure where you could be denied access to travel its getting overwhelming with so much to worry about. |
...which of course is the counter argument to everyone that's complained about Crystal jumping the gun with their cancellations. A 48hr PCR means Christmas or Boxing Day for 27th departures, good luck with organising that right now...
And that's assuming tourism is even allowed, which the text really doesn't make clear.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
On that note when I’d crossed the border from Germany to Austria in 2019 in my own car and vice versa I can’t remember there being a checkpoint or anything? It just said ‘Osterreich’ or ‘Deutschland’ after an imaginary line in the road.
So do they put police on the border and have a check point during certain circumstances like now or are they always there? It’s just I can’t remember seeing any before. |
Some of the borders are only manned when there are checks being done, like now. Pre-pandemic, I've never seen anyone on the border at Garmisch (may have just been time of day though), but the one near Kufstein always had some police hanging about on the German side, even if they weren't actually stopping anyone.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
On that note when I’d crossed the border from Germany to Austria in 2019 in my own car and vice versa I can’t remember there being a checkpoint or anything? It just said ‘Osterreich’ or ‘Deutschland’ after an imaginary line in the road.
So do they put police on the border and have a check point during certain circumstances like now or are they always there? It’s just I can’t remember seeing any before. |
Some of the borders are only manned when there are checks being done, like now. Pre-pandemic, I've never seen anyone on the border at Garmisch (may have just been time of day though), but the one near Kufstein always had some police hanging about on the German side, even if they weren't actually stopping anyone. |
I see, that makes sense then as there was nothing going on in Jan 2019 and March 2019 when I crossed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Tiefschneetaucher wrote: |
| Well we simply can’t get a PCR before travelling back via Munich because all the test centres in the Salzburg area are closed over Christmas. So we will have to chance it with the C19 antigen test instead. Wish us luck! |
What about Central Apotheke in Worgl? They do them not sure about their Christmas opening hours mind.
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#Germany From 23:01 GMT on 22 December, permitted travellers from virus variant areas must have a PCR test no older than 48 hours at departure if being carried by plane, train, ferry or bus to Germany. Rapid-antigen tests or other tests no longer permitted https://t.co/IhVEo1AjVy https://t.co/ewXYUQ0XcS
This was from the government travel advice Twitter last night. I might be wrong but reads like you can now fly into Germany with a 48hr pcr.
Also reading the above post sounded to me like double vacc +booster + pcr and you can enter. Again I may be wrong and also still leaves the kids as unknown
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@munich_irish,
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@SYL, the "exception" you quote is not relevant as that only applies if you transited an area of concern, you have arrived from one. Legally you are prohibited from entering Germany unless you are a German citizen or resident (assuming you arrive from the UK), even then you would need a PCR test. In practice unlikely you will get checked though it is a possibility. If you do you are likely to be turned back and have to go the long way round fully in Austria.
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I was looking at the last paragraph:
"The same goes for persons who are only in transit through and leaving the Federal Republic of Germany as quickly as possible to complete their transit journey."
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@munich_irish, I’d say that’s pretty clear. Flights can land and if you’re permitted entry then the rules apply plus the extra pcr or quarantine.
Your not permitted entry if from Uk and for anything other than essential travel. As much as I want it to be skiing holiday isn’t essential so that’s that.
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| mattiwilkin wrote: |
#Germany From 23:01 GMT on 22 December, permitted travellers from virus variant areas must have a PCR test no older than 48 hours at departure if being carried by plane, train, ferry or bus to Germany. Rapid-antigen tests or other tests no longer permitted https://t.co/IhVEo1AjVy https://t.co/ewXYUQ0XcS
This was from the government travel advice Twitter last night. I might be wrong but reads like you can now fly into Germany with a 48hr pcr.
Also reading the above post sounded to me like double vacc +booster + pcr and you can enter. Again I may be wrong and also still leaves the kids as unknown |
The key words there are “permitted travellers”. If you are permitted, you can figure out how to comply, but you need to know this first.
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We’re nowhere near Wörgl…
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@Scarlet, yes exactly that is my understanding. What a shame it all is 
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Good luck to anyone who actually makes it to Austria I truly hope you have a good ski trip, I really feel for the hoteliers and chalet owners after opening up after the lockdown this must be a massive blow, I am gutted, I was originally looking forward to a week skiing with all my family next week, which was crushed, then grabbed a week with just hubby which is also cancelled. It’s been a few weeks of stress trying to get everything in place and now a load of grief trying to claw back the costs (apart from Crystal who will refund), feeling totally let down after 2 years of trying to do everything right, fully jabbed, mask wearing, sticking to the rules, missing friends and family and yet here we are
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@feefee, I’m sure that echoes everyone’s experience and thoughts fairly accurately. So disappointing
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This thread has become too confusing. Too many posts that talk about entry into Germany from Austria are mixed in with a thread that is supposed to deal with entry into Austria. Can a separate thread be started for Austria/Germany or Germany/Austria travel.
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@Jimmole, +1
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You know it makes sense.
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@Jimmole, you could start one and ask people to post there
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Drove from Kitzbuhel to salzburg airport yesterday. Nothing crossing the border on the way there, just a policewomen checking vaccines when re entering austria on the return. There wasnt anyone at the same border control on my outward journey so pretty random by the looks of it.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Lets face it: it aint a holiday when you have to read through all this then try to navigate through the ever moving goalposts. Even if you are good subjects and jump through all their hoops at any moment it can change. RIP Austria for another year. Good luck to anyone who makes it..
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tui have cancelled my flight from Birmingham to Innsbruk on the 27th of December.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Crystal website still says this from yday…
We’re aware that the Austrian Government have today announced that UK travellers aged 16 and over will need to quarantine upon arrival for 10 days, unless they’ve had a booster jab and have a negative PCR result from a test taken within 72 hours before their flight arrival time. This new requirement will be for customers travelling from 25th December to 31st January.
but I think they have overlooked the fact that those rules only apply anyone PERMITTED to enter for ESSENTIAL reasons. I would expect them to update this as it’s misleading currently and inaccurate. As much as we might like I can’t think skiing holidays are essential travel, you’d think Crystal would have a lawyer who reads small print!
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| Tiefschneetaucher wrote: |
| We’re nowhere near Wörgl… |
Are you not staying in Kitzbuhel?
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@Jimmole, it’s highly relevant because lots of people fly in and out of Munich Airport to go skiing in Tirol. Like me and several other Snowheads this past week or two. The other day when people thought they couldn’t fly into Munich because it was in Germany and the rules were different for getting to Germany from the UK, they changed their flights to Innsbruck or Salzburg, to get to Austria, even though it cost them a lot more.
So what’s going on regarding getting in and out of Munich Airport matters for skiing in Austria.
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| wriggley monkey wrote: |
| Tui have cancelled my flight from Birmingham to Innsbruk on the 27th of December. |
Just rung them and they have given a full refund.
Rebooked to Verona as our accommodation is in Val Gardena - New flights are quite a bit less than the old ones which was a bonus.
Now for Italy to keep their current requirements and to avoid the lurgi for a few more days.
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On that note I checked in fine at Munich, your test result certificate must have the word ‘antigen’ on it, she was looking at it for quite a while.
She asked for that, the Covid pass and the UK PLF.
No mention of any PCR (not that I’d got one) for entering Germany even though it sounds like you’re meant to have one officially coming by road from Austria.
@Tiefschneetaucher, in case that’s helpful.
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NEW: Virus variant areas United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway
New rules for everyone arriving from the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. These countries will be classified as a virus variant region from 25 December in Austria. This means:
People who are fully vaccinated (double jabbed) AND have received the 3rd booster jab can enter Austria with a negative PCR test (valid 72 hours). Children under the age of 12 are exempt (see below) and teenagers eligible for the Holiday Ninja Pass will be able to enter with a negative PCR test (valid 72 hours).
Important additional information: Everyone else travelling from the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway needs to quarantine for 10 days upon arrival if they have not been fully vaccinated (2 x jabs) and had a third booster.
This is what this Austria tourist info site says here, https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information/entry-regulations
Said it was updated on the 21st though 
No mention of a landing ban for U.K. arrivals.
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@2planks, there is no landing ban for UK arrivals, there is for some African countries.
Better to use a Govt site for source info rather than tourist info
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Thu 23-12-21 11:16; edited 1 time in total
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| wriggley monkey wrote: |
| wriggley monkey wrote: |
| Tui have cancelled my flight from Birmingham to Innsbruk on the 27th of December. |
Just rung them and they have given a full refund.
Rebooked to Verona as our accommodation is in Val Gardena - New flights are quite a bit less than the old ones which was a bonus.
Now for Italy to keep their current requirements and to avoid the lurgi for a few more days. |
Great news
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