 Poster: A snowHead
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No idea why there's a link in that post!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Saltwood if you type the words "the rules" an automatic link appears! Hope you make it back OK.
First day skiing today in Austria. Just hoping no more restrictions announced this week that would make a difference to our trip. It's been amazing so far to be back.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Saltwood,
The rules allow you to transit Germany.
There are some cheap flights back to UK from Innsbruck still available, I'm due to fly back to UK on Tues from Munich but have just booked a €40 flight from Innsbruck as an insurance policy just incase easyJet mess about with their schedules as they did when the Swiss changed rules
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
@gresty, I think you will be fine (as of today).
See https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/travel-restrictions-border-control/travel-restriction-border-control-list.html#f13919566
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Transit through Germany to travel to a country outside of the EU
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to a country outside of the EU if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country, if applicable.
The traveller must provide evidence on entry that the conditions (1) and (2) listed above have been met. Airline or other travel tickets, etc. may be presented to meet condition (1). To meet condition (2), travellers can present authorisation of entry to the country of destination (e.g. a visa) or an identity document or residence authorisation for the country of destination, for example. |
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Contrary to other people above who are saying its a Ban. Its not! It clearly says you can transit providing you have the right papers etc
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I think those who are saying you can transit through Germany are wrong with the exception of those who do not leave an airport. To quote from the RKI document
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For travellers entering Germany from so-called areas of variants of concern, a ban on
carriage applies to the transport of persons from these countries into Germany by rail,
bus, ship or plane. |
Official information can be found at
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/ReiseUndSicherheit/grossbritanniensicherheit/206408
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
The changes come into effect at midnight tonight and will be in place until the 3rd January at the earliest. It would apply to those who have been in the UK at any time in the preceding 14 days.
Happy to be proved wrong but this means no flying into Munich for onward travel by road or train to Austria. Those wanting to travel home might be OK though I suspect most flights will be cancelled.
I would suggest that driving through Germany for non essential reasons is also not allowed, though that is probably a moot point since it seems very difficult to get across the channel at the moment.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
I think those who are saying you can transit through Germany are wrong with the exception of those who do not leave an airport. To quote from the RKI document
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For travellers entering Germany from so-called areas of variants of concern, a ban on
carriage applies to the transport of persons from these countries into Germany by rail,
bus, ship or plane. |
Official information can be found at
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/ReiseUndSicherheit/grossbritanniensicherheit/206408
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
The changes come into effect at midnight tonight and will be in place until the 3rd January at the earliest. It would apply to those who have been in the UK at any time in the preceding 14 days.
Happy to be proved wrong but this means no flying into Munich for onward travel by road or train to Austria. Those wanting to travel home might be OK though I suspect most flights will be cancelled.
I would suggest that driving through Germany for non essential reasons is also not allowed, though that is probably a moot point since it seems very difficult to get across the channel at the moment. |
I read and understand what you are saying BUT...... this suggests you can drive to Austria !
"the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country, if applicable."
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@Gaz_H, Maybe but not sure that the German border people (or more importantly the airlines) are going to look favourably on UK tourists wanting to travel to Austria. Different matter for those who are resident in Austria. I suspect that most flights from the UK will now be cancelled. Having done a trip in spring 2020 I know how painful it was in terms of sorting paperwork, not the sort of thing anyone wants to do for a holiday.
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@munich_irish
Yeah.... anything can happen ... as we've seen. I'm just holding out to see what happen to my 6th Jan .. Munich/Soll trip
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...... and why the hell doesn't.... @ work for me?
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...... and why the hell doesn't.... @ work for me?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Gaz_H, click on the name of the person you want to @ within the topic.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Gaz_H, click on the posters name on the left 
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@radar, FFS, 
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You know it makes sense.
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@Gaz_H, You might be OK as the current rules are in place until the 3rd January. If (big if) things dont turn out as badly as some of the predictions then I am sure the restrictions will be quickly lifted.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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This bit seems to suggest they will allow travel still—
Transit to another EU member state or Schengen state
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to another EU member state or another Schengen state as their country of final destination if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country (in accordance with Annex I or II of the Council Recommendation of 30 June 2020 or with individual confirmation of permission to enter issued by the country of destination).
Under these conditions, citizens of countries outside of the EU may also enter Germany by air and travel overland to their country of destination.
Last sentence seems to cover flying to Munich and driving to Austria
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Poster: A snowHead
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Sadly I suspect that other countries, including Austria, will have little option other than to put in similar restrictions in the face of the omicron wave.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If anyone is thinking of trying to fly then be aware of
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Before departure, please be prepared
for your carrier (e.g. airline) to require from you an up-to-date PCR test if you spent time in
an area of variants of concern at any time in the ten days prior to entry. After your arrival,
further PCR testing may be ordered by the health authorities at the airport |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Not sure if anyone else is impacted, but my 15 year old is born before 1 September 2006, the cut off date for the ninja holiday pass. We're booked to go next Monday and as it stands, he won't be able to ski.
I am currently on the line to Crystal (their site hasn't picked on this nuance) and have sent emails asking about foreign school age children to the Austrian embassy, the social ministry and a 'safe hospitality' email that I found with the ninja pass details. I don't expect to get any responses from Austria until tomorrow, but I'm hoping to get a response from Crystal today - even if that's, 'we'll clarify it'.
if and when I get any news, I'll pass it on - if anyone has spoken to any of the tour operators on this, what was their response?
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Am I correct in thinking that the Dutch will be unable to come to Austria because of their lockdown and now the British are running into problems coming through Munich
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Gaz_H, emoji don’t work either, you need to use the ones below 
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@radar, yeah noticed that too. You wouldn't believe I've been on here for over 10 years!
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@2waterford, not sure how it affects the Dutch, there are no specific restrictions for fully vaccinated people who have been in Holland. It doesnt make sense to me that the UK is classified as an "area of concern" but Denmark, Holland, Norway, France etc only "high risk" but I guess that is, in part, due to being non EU. As you can see from the above there is an element of confusion about "transit". I cant see that the German authorities are going to be happy about significant numbers of UK based holiday makers arriving to transit to Austria when travel to Germany is very restricted, we will see. No issue coming from Dublin, though if you live in the North and have an Irish passport I cant see how anyone would know, though the NHS vaccine pass might be a bit of a give away
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@@munich_irish, thank you flying from Dublin, So fingers crossed, hopefully no more changes,
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@munich_irish, am I correct in thinking coming from Dublin I don’t need a PCR to fly to Munich
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Ok here goes, we are a group of 6 flying out 26th, all returning at various stages early January, husband and I are returning January 8th,
I want to cancel but being out voted 5/1. If Austria were to go into another lockdown would we be given a few days in our Pension to rearrange flights etc or would they throw us out like they did in Ischgl 2020.
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Best people to ask would be the pension owners surely
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@2waterford, If you are fully vaccinated (2 doses, boosters currently not considered) then no test. The extract from the regulations is
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Special obligation to furnish proof: Travellers who spent time in a high-risk area must
carry with them a test result or proof of vaccination or recovery and, if demanded by the
carrier, present such proof for the purpose of carriage. In case of a stay in an area of
variants of concern, only a test result is admitted. |
Ireland is currently defined as a "high risk area" (practically everywhere is)
I think we can confidently say there will be no repeat of the chaos of the events in Ischgl & St Anton in March 2020. Lengthy inquiries have pointed the finger of blame at panic measures dictated in Vienna.
My view (others may think otherwise) is that the lifts will keep running and that if there are any changes it will effect incoming visitors not those already there. There is going to be every effort made to keep the tourist industry running in some form (hence the new requirements for tests etc) but you can speculate endlessly.
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@2waterford, depends on if they have a booking straight after you surely. If yes, then yes. If no then they might let you pay and stay.
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You know it makes sense.
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No word from Lufthansa so far regarding my flight back to Heathrow on 23rd.
I will report back if they change it or cancel it.
I’m expecting a flight time change, after all they will have to get something sorted to get the UK people back home they can’t just cancel the lot.
Just had a look to see if it’s still bookable one way home and it is for £257 so the price has increased significantly.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@2waterford, your problem is you need negative test to come home? When did you say you were travelling? Problem is omicron is spreading and exploding everywhere right now like common cold and there is very real risk your test coming home is positive despite double vax and taking precautions
Also entirely possible more countries will add on test requirements for entry in next few day, along with Ireland, Portugal, Italy. I suspect this will be prelude to test free travel for booster, but right now some countries including Ireland have not added boost shots to their DCC.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Made it to Austria. Left Friday morning on the tunnel, stayed the night in Luxembourg and then last night in Munich. Nothing required to get into Austria but vaccination status has been checked multiple times now.
Hopefully I’ll get stuck here!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@andybomb1, you probably will, enjoy the season. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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On current guidelines, will they be checking for a PCR test on transit (train) from Munich to Austria? We're double vax'd but no booster, and coming from Dublin so don't need one to enter Germany but concerned about entering Austria thereafter
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| Manning18 wrote: |
| On current guidelines, will they be checking for a PCR test on transit (train) from Munich to Austria? We're double vax'd but no booster, and coming from Dublin so don't need one to enter Germany but concerned about entering Austria thereafter |
Posts above have stated that checks on covid status are happening on trains in Austria.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Manning18, It is very likely that your vaccination certificate will be checked on the train along with your ticket (to use a train you have to comply with 3G rules ie either vaccinated or recent test). It is unlikely that anyone will check going into to Austria (though the train staff might point out if you dont comply) but it almost certainly will be checked at your hotel or accommodation. You need to see the current rules about PCR tests for Austria, which, as I understand it means you will need a test if you have not had a 3rd shot. There are various posts & discussion above with the detail.
Given the current situation I would assume that having a PCR test prior to travel is a sensible idea just in case anyone changes the requirements at short notice.
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| Manning18 wrote: |
| On current guidelines, will they be checking for a PCR test on transit (train) from Munich to Austria? We're double vax'd but no booster, and coming from Dublin so don't need one to enter Germany but concerned about entering Austria thereafter |
I'm in similar boat hoping to go to France via Switzerland and unsure if I need PCR test
Maybe if your insurance covers trip cancellation if you get diagnosed with covid 14 days prior to your trip, there may be little downside or even benefit of documenting PCR status before you go.
Things are evolving VERY rapidly
Plus regardless of your first instincts, the buzz you get from 5/6 days of skiing will fade very fast when you are confined to hotel room for 14 days. If you're unknowingly positive BEFORE going out I think your chances of becoming symptomatic and needing testing when you are out there are exponentially multiplied
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Cheers Munich. Il book a PCR slot
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| peanuthead wrote: |
| Manning18 wrote: |
| On current guidelines, will they be checking for a PCR test on transit (train) from Munich to Austria? We're double vax'd but no booster, and coming from Dublin so don't need one to enter Germany but concerned about entering Austria thereafter |
I'm in similar boat hoping to go to France via Switzerland and unsure if I need PCR test
Maybe if your insurance covers trip cancellation if you get diagnosed with covid 14 days prior to your trip, there may be little downside or even benefit of documenting PCR status before you go.
Things are evolving VERY rapidly
Plus regardless of your first instincts, the buzz you get from 5/6 days of skiing will fade very fast when you are confined to hotel room for 14 days. If you're unknowingly positive BEFORE going out I think your chances of becoming symptomatic and needing testing when you are out there are exponentially multiplied |
Exactly it’s not a bad idea at all to do a test before going anywhere even if you don’t need one officially. Better to know before you go!
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I have a Lufthansa flight from Manchester to Munich on the 1st January. My intention was to travel by train to Zell am See then bus to Saalbach. Waiting now to see if transit is allowed under the new German requirements. If it is only airport/ airside transit that is allowed then I may rebook that flight to go to Salzburg via Frankfurt.
Luckily ( dir to earlier plans changing) I also have a direct flight from Leeds to Salzburg booked for the 3rd January. For my January trip I’m due to return from Salzburg on the 22nd January.
Still hopeful
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@peanuthead, at moment if you want to travel you have to accept the risks that involves. If that makes you too stressed stay at home, its supposed to be a holiday. If you go skiing you accept there is a small risk that you will end up in hospital. For some that is enough to stop them going in the first place though I would assume that doesnt stop anyone here.
My understanding for Austria is that unless you have a documented 3rd jab you need a PCR (that might be challenging given the long drive). Given that Ireland isnt currently updating its certificates you are likely to need a test, though you might be able to get a doctor to give you written confirmation, though that might give you grief given you have to show the certificate all the time.
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