 Poster: A snowHead
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @surfnspear, The govt website only gives a date, not a time, so based on experience I would say it will be 00:00 Monday, because the regs always change at midnight and there is no mention of anything different here. |
Okay that’s the sense of it I’m getting. Looks like after all the hoops and work done….Austria just wiped out a family of 6 Christmas unless by some miracle I find PCR slots!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@surfnspear, This might help you:
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| School-age children are allowed to enter the country with a ninja pass or similar test certificates. The rules do not affect children under the age of twelve either. You only have to be in quarantine and register for pre-travel clearance with your companion if the adult also has to isolate himself. |
Have a look into the ninja pass regs (posted on the other thread here: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=157087&start=400#4882062) and see if that solves your problem.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The moving target moves again.
So if understand correctly :
Wife boosted a two months ago - entry with no test.
Me boosted on Mon 13th Dec, to fly on Mon 27 Dec the - entry fine with no test
13 year old recovered in Oct - entry fine but PCR needed 72 hours (which will mean being tested Christmas eve pm, Christmas day, or rapid test boxing day!  )
11 year old recovered in Oct - entry fine with no test ?
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| @Gazzza wrote: |
| 13 year old recovered in Oct - entry fine but PCR needed 72 hours (which will mean being tested Christmas eve pm, Christmas day, or rapid test boxing day! ) |
If there's any confusion it will be with this one. Check out the ninja pass stuff linked above and see if that helps your situation.
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If I read correctly the ninja pass is only needed if the 12-15 year old isn't already 2G compliant, ie. vaccinated or recovered...
https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information/tests
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Special regulations for Children
Children under the age of 12 do not need a "2-G" (vaccinated or recovered) proof in Austria, as well as no entry tests (exception: Vienna - see below).
For school-age children from the age of 12-15, who are not fully vaccinated or have not recovered from Covid, there is the possibility of equating to "2-G" status with the so-called "Holiday Ninja Pass": with two PCR-tests plus one antigen-test per week, all facilities requiring "2-G" status can be visited/used. PCR-tests are valid for 72h, antigen tests for 48h.
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ie. Holiday ninja is a mechinism for non 2G children to get 2G status with testing (whereas adults must have 2G status and have no option for testing instead), and if a child is already 2G that trumps the needs for ninja pass.
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| Gazzza wrote: |
If I read correctly the ninja pass is only needed if the 12-15 year old isn't already 2G compliant, ie. vaccinated or recovered...
https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information/tests
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Special regulations for Children
Children under the age of 12 do not need a "2-G" (vaccinated or recovered) proof in Austria, as well as no entry tests (exception: Vienna - see below).
For school-age children from the age of 12-15, who are not fully vaccinated or have not recovered from Covid, there is the possibility of equating to "2-G" status with the so-called "Holiday Ninja Pass": with two PCR-tests plus one antigen-test per week, all facilities requiring "2-G" status can be visited/used. PCR-tests are valid for 72h, antigen tests for 48h.
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ie. Holiday ninja is a mechinism for non 2G children to get 2G status with testing (whereas adults must have 2G status and have no option for testing instead), and if a child is already 2G that trumps the needs for ninja pass. |
As things stand, yes.
Recovered (PCR test proof) plus one jab = 2G status.
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Anybody know if my 15 year old double vaccinated will need a PCR toenter Austria? Once there, I know she will be fine but not sure about entry to Austria. Hope everyone gets sorted ome way or another!
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| Cacciatore wrote: |
As things stand, yes.
Recovered (PCR test proof) plus one jab = 2G status. |
Where does it state you need one jab + recovery for 2G ? I read 2G is Vaccinated OR recovered. So you can show either vaccination proof or recovery (in last 180 days proof).
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@GillB yes - I'm in same boat and whilst we have boosters, I've booked a PCR test for our vaccinated 13 year old. The reality is when clarity comes on Monday they might not need it but from the scant info we have at moment its impossible to rule it out.
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@rfb111 yes, it's just not clear is it? Think I'm going to book a PCR just to be on the safe side, also covid pass letter hasn't arrived in post yet! Hope you have a great time!
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Yes my reading is anyone not boosted needs 2G+
ie. Vaxxed or recovered plus a test. Test not needed if boosted.
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| @GillB yes - I'm in same boat and whilst we have boosters, I've booked a PCR test for our vaccinated 13 year old. The reality is when clarity comes on Monday they might not need it but from the scant info we have at moment its impossible to rule it out. |
Absolutely correct! Our 4 kids are all 2G compliant yet we can’t take the risk with our flight leaving Monday 8:25am. I have begged and pleaded and managed to find somewhere to do 4 x pre departure PCR test at £129 each to save Christmas! It is what it is…..
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I'm currently on the train in Austria. The lady came around to check our vaccination documents and promptly proceed to tell me that I also needed to have a test as well as the vaccination documents. This scared the life out of me bearing in mind this conversation. However it transpired that she was talking about entry to Italy (where the final destination of the train was) - it wasn't a problem when I clarified that we were staying in Austria!
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You know it makes sense.
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@Scarlet, re the 14 day thing, that would be excellent and makes it much more doable for us. Any clue if this also applies to all or only non-EU citizens? Reading through the piece quoting Mückstein refers to rules for EU citizens (only) requiring proof of vaccination on entry. That would solve the problem for the person in our group as they have an EU passport.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@ptex, There's no reference to a 14 day non-validity period applying to anyone, that I have seen. I don't know where that ref has come from, I suspect a TO who doesn't know what they're talking about, but read the regs for yourself before you make any decisions. I'm not convinced the “at least 120 days from 2nd dose” is important either – this is just the amount of time that has to pass before you become eligible in Austria – it is clear that gaps vary in other countries and I'd be surprised if anyone checked because you only need to present the 3/3 certificate to be compliant. Most important thing is probably to get the jab booked asap.
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Poster: A snowHead
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not sure this helps, but in the interests of sharing - this update on Crystals Covid page.
Austria entry requirements update
We’re aware that the Austrian Government have announced that anyone aged 12 and over will now be required to take a PCR test within 72 hours before your flight arrival time - regardless of your vaccination or recovery status.
This new restriction doesn’t apply to customers who have had their boosters.
We’ll be in touch with customers directly to discuss their options.
Updated: Saturday Dec 18th 2021, 11:45am (UK time)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I literally cannot keep up. Austrian Embassy in London site: https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/austrian-embassy-london/travelling-to-austria/coronavirus-covid-19-and-travel-abroad/
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Entry requirements to Austria from 20 December 2021
From 20 December 2021, 12:00am, the so called "2G plus rule" applies for entering Austria from any country (vaccinated/recovered and PCR tested). People without proof of a negative test result must self-isolate for 10 days.
Exceptions from the rule:
- people with a booster vaccination (third jab or second jab with Johnson&Johnson) or recovered people do not need to show a test;
- pregnant women, people who cannot have a vaccination because of health reasons and people who travel to an international institution for professional purposes need to provide proof of a negative PCR test; they do not need to proof their vaccination or recovery status though;
- commuters can enter Austria with proof of either a vaccination, recovery or negative PCR test;
Austrians and EU / EEA citizens and people with residence or a valid residence permit in the EU / EEA without proof of either a vaccination or recovery must complete an online registration at entry.ptc.gv.at and immediately self-isolate for 10 days with the option to end isolation after 5 days on completion of a negative PCR test.
Ordinance of the Federal Minister for Social Affairs, Health, Care and Consumer Protection (Federal Law Gazette II No. 562/2021)
If you have any questions about your entry into Austria, please contact your airline!
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So this suggests that if you have either had your booster jab OR you have recovered, then you do not need an additional entry test. 
Must admit if I was flying Mon/Tues I'd probably get a test for the kids just in case anyway. I'm going just after boxing day so another week for the information clarity to even out.
The FCDO page updated today is a mess and is totally inconsistent with the Austrian pages as it doesn't address "recovered" at all.
Interestingly the Austrian Embassy page does not mention the exemptions for children (whether 12-15 or under 12) in the Entry Requirements from 20 Dec, whereas it does mention them in the section on Entry Requirements until 20 Dec. Fortunately both mine, including the 11 year old is recovered so should be 2G compliant anyway, but it reads like the previous exceptions relating to children might be gone ??
EDIT: This page: https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Coronavirus---Aktuelle-Ma%C3%9Fnahmen.html#einreiseregeln-ab-dem-20-dezember-2021 does not seem to concur with the Austrian Embassy page as they only list boosted as being an exception for the additional entry test :
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2G + (vaccinated or recovered and PCR-tested) when entering from all countries
- Booster vaccination frees you from the PCR test
- 3G for commuters: stays inside
Persons without a PCR test or booster vaccination are subject to registration and must adhere to a home quarantine until a negative PCR test result is presented. |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Gazzza, correct
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Recovered vs PCR question.
Now this is only an observation, but one garnered from months of actually running a Public Health team from Mar 20 to Sep 21. Recovered people can register Positive on PCR tests up to around 180 Days from having had the virus. They were known as "Previous Positives". That was why the 180 Day precedent was introduced in the first place and I think that's where the confusion lies. The more recently you've recovered, the more likely you will register a Positive PCR when in fact you're not. That probably won't help in dealing with Airline Check-in staff, but on arrival in Austria they seem to be more reasonable. My arrival today was only asked to show the Vaccination Pass. That may change on Monday but as of now, the Pre-Travel Clearance form still says no need to register or quarantine for travel on Monday, if you are double vaccinated or recovered.
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I have not seen anywhere official that the PCR test is 72 hours before travel - Can anyone link to this information.
sorry if I have missed it.
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This seems to be the most complete version of the latest regs from the 20th:
https://goverdrive.portal.at/index.php/s/qnepQJZoEEZgX22/download/Entry-requirements-EN.pdf
PCR must be within 72 hours before entry
Minors under 12 still exempt from testing (this seems to have gone missing off the embassy page)
There is a mention of 14 days in 1.d.iv but I *think* it relates to boosters of 1-shot original vaccs and not 2-shot regimens (a 2nd opinion would be appreciated!)
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Thanks for the Link.
I am travelling to Innsbruk on the 27th and transiting directly to Val Gardena - The PDF linked above says that I will be exempt from the requirement for a PCR as I am transiting, I wonder if Tui will allow me to board a flight on that basis ?
7. general exemptions, regardless of where these people come from, apply to (no
PCR-/LAMP-/TMA-test for SARS-CoV-2 necessary, no quarantine, no registration):
a. to maintain goods and passenger traffic (crews), if the destination country
is not Austria, the exit must be ensured,
b. exclusively for compelling reasons of animal care or for agricultural and
forestry measures in individual cases,
c. in the context of the implementation of a professional transfer trip / a
professional transfer flight,
d. in the imperative interest of the Republic of Austria,
e. transit passengers or the transit through Austria without a stopover, which
is also the case with only essential interruptions, if departure is guaranteed,
f. the crew of a repatriation trip / a repatriation flight including the
accompanying organs of the public security service
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| DidierCouch wrote: |
This seems to be the most complete version of the latest regs from the 20th:
https://goverdrive.portal.at/index.php/s/qnepQJZoEEZgX22/download/Entry-requirements-EN.pdf
PCR must be within 72 hours before entry
Minors under 12 still exempt from testing (this seems to have gone missing off the embassy page)
There is a mention of 14 days in 1.d.iv but I *think* it relates to boosters of 1-shot original vaccs and not 2-shot regimens (a 2nd opinion would be appreciated!) |
That's how I read it.
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| wriggley monkey wrote: |
Thanks for the Link.
I am travelling to Innsbruk on the 27th and transiting directly to Val Gardena - The PDF linked above says that I will be exempt from the requirement for a PCR as I am transiting, I wonder if Tui will allow me to board a flight on that basis ?
7. general exemptions, regardless of where these people come from, apply to (no
PCR-/LAMP-/TMA-test for SARS-CoV-2 necessary, no quarantine, no registration):
a. to maintain goods and passenger traffic (crews), if the destination country
is not Austria, the exit must be ensured,
b. exclusively for compelling reasons of animal care or for agricultural and
forestry measures in individual cases,
c. in the context of the implementation of a professional transfer trip / a
professional transfer flight,
d. in the imperative interest of the Republic of Austria,
e. transit passengers or the transit through Austria without a stopover, which
is also the case with only essential interruptions, if departure is guaranteed,
f. the crew of a repatriation trip / a repatriation flight including the
accompanying organs of the public security service |
Ask Tui! Only they know the answer.
On your other question less than 72 hours.
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@wriggley monkey Will you not need a negative PCR or LFT to enter Italy anyway, as per the current Italian requirements (& on a shorter timescale than the Austrian ones)? I don’t think transiting in through Austria changes that.
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| DidierCouch wrote: |
This seems to be the most complete version of the latest regs from the 20th:
https://goverdrive.portal.at/index.php/s/qnepQJZoEEZgX22/download/Entry-requirements-EN.pdf
PCR must be within 72 hours before entry
Minors under 12 still exempt from testing (this seems to have gone missing off the embassy page)
There is a mention of 14 days in 1.d.iv but I *think* it relates to boosters of 1-shot original vaccs and not 2-shot regimens (a 2nd opinion would be appreciated!) |
This is very clear and concise……..and hence…..4 x PCR tests few hours turn around results all in negative…..ready for Mondays 8:25 flight phew!
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@surfnspear, good for you! When I read earlier about the cash you’ve had to stump up at short notice for that, not to mention the stress of having to sort it out, I really did feel for you. I hope you have a nice holiday!
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You know it makes sense.
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Well I’m currently in Salzburg, having a beer. Travelled from London via Munich today. Nobody wanted to see our vaccination certificates until we got to the hotel. My daughters have the Patient Access app and it shows their double jabbed status and we’ve got into a couple of Christmas markets showing it so seems it’s acceptable proof. Driving to Obertauern in the morning and will report back.
On Bavarian radio there was a lot of talk of the UK being declared a virus variant area shortly so I’m not sure how we will get back but I’ll worry about that when I’ve done a bit of skiing! 
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@Tiefschneetaucher, thanks for the info and have a good trip. Suspect Germany will declare UK a VVA. Let us know if you hear rumours of Austria doing similar.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| @surfnspear, good for you! When I read earlier about the cash you’ve had to stump up at short notice for that, not to mention the stress of having to sort it out, I really did feel for you. I hope you have a nice holiday! |
Thank you so much….and thanks to all of you….Chris etc…..everyone feeding the latest info to help us all make the quickest and considered decisions we can in this fluid global merry go round!
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| DidierCouch wrote: |
| @wriggley monkey Will you not need a negative PCR or LFT to enter Italy anyway, as per the current Italian requirements (& on a shorter timescale than the Austrian ones)? I don’t think transiting in through Austria changes that. |
Yes but LFT so much easier when the two previous days are Christmas day and boxing day.
Thanks all for responses.
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| DidierCouch wrote: |
| @wriggley monkey Will you not need a negative PCR or LFT to enter Italy anyway, as per the current Italian requirements (& on a shorter timescale than the Austrian ones)? I don’t think transiting in through Austria changes that. |
Yes but LFT so much easier when the two previous days are Christmas day and boxing day.
Thanks all for responses.
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We arrived in Austria on Thursday. No scans of passes but a cursory glance at the NHS app booster Cert. My lad had a PcR test cert so all ok.
For 12-15 year olds a PcR is ok to ski for 72 hours…but you need to to take the test every 48 hours to ensure you are covered.l as it can take up to 24 hours for a test result.
The gurgle PcR tests are very easy, just sign up online and pick up your tests from the SPA. Make sure you ask when the pick up occurs from the SPA, it’s a once per day pickup. If you miss the time you won’t get your result for 36 hours or so. This happened to us.
You take your result to the ticket office or your hotel might have access to the system to update your kids 2G status. For vaccinated it’s only required once, for 12-15 year olds you do the PcR and update each time. If you don’t get the system updated the lift ticket is frozen.
Since the Austrian kids are still in school and Ninja pass is still active, we were able to show LFT and PCR combo for 4 days despite the PCR being passed it’s date. We understand the Austrian kids get tested 2xLFT and 1xPCR each week so uk LFT and PCR was equiv. Not sure if this would work again and we just had a nice ticket office rep or not!
We have not been asked for any proof of 2G anywhere since we arrived, not shops, not restaurants on the mountain or tonight at supper in a restaurant in town. Honestly the people/biz here are really suffering. They need the custom and all are very scared about what the next few weeks might bring. German families cancelling as unvaccinated 5+ year olds need to quarantine on return to Germany which impacts return to school etc.
Mountain very quiet. Snow amazing.
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From other thread re Germany latest announcement limiting entry to Germany
bmi.bund.de says-
Transit to another EU member state or Schengen state
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to another EU member state or another Schengen state as their country of final destination if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country (in accordance with Annex I or II of the Council Recommendation of 30 June 2020 or with individual confirmation of permission to enter issued by the country of destination).
Under these conditions, citizens of countries outside of the EU may also enter Germany by air and travel overland to their country of destination.
The traveller must provide evidence that the conditions listed above have been met. Airline or other travel tickets, etc. may be presented to meet condition (1). A printout of the current national regulations in place in the country of destination implementing Annex I of the Council Recommendation may be presented to meet condition (2). It must be clear from the text that residents of certain countries are not required to provide proof of the reason for travel to the country of destination. If this is not possible, then evidence must be provided of the urgent need for entry in accordance with Annex II of the Council Recommendation. Germany’s border control officials will only check for compliance with the requirements for entering Germany. Alternatively, the traveller may present a document issued by the responsible authorities of the country of destination certifying that entry restrictions have been waived or that approval of entry has been granted.
Seems to suggest transit allowed. I think Confused
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@Doccam, don’t be confused, it’s a ban
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From other thread re Germany latest announcement limiting entry to Germany
bmi.bund.de says-
Transit to another EU member state or Schengen state
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to another EU member state or another Schengen state as their country of final destination if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country (in accordance with Annex I or II of the Council Recommendation of 30 June 2020 or with individual confirmation of permission to enter issued by the country of destination).
Under these conditions, citizens of countries outside of the EU may also enter Germany by air and travel overland to their country of destination.
The traveller must provide evidence that the conditions listed above have been met. Airline or other travel tickets, etc. may be presented to meet condition (1). A printout of the current national regulations in place in the country of destination implementing Annex I of the Council Recommendation may be presented to meet condition (2). It must be clear from the text that residents of certain countries are not required to provide proof of the reason for travel to the country of destination. If this is not possible, then evidence must be provided of the urgent need for entry in accordance with Annex II of the Council Recommendation. Germany’s border control officials will only check for compliance with the requirements for entering Germany. Alternatively, the traveller may present a document issued by the responsible authorities of the country of destination certifying that entry restrictions have been waived or that approval of entry has been granted.
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Well, UK is not in the EU or the Schengen. so nothing to be confused about.
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Now in Austria and woke up to the news about the new German restrictions. Not sure what to do now. In a bit of a panic.
Can't work out if we can enter Germany to get home.
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@gresty, I think you will be fine (as of today).
See https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/travel-restrictions-border-control/travel-restriction-border-control-list.html#f13919566
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Transit through Germany to travel to a country outside of the EU
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to a country outside of the EU if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country, if applicable.
The traveller must provide evidence on entry that the conditions (1) and (2) listed above have been met. Airline or other travel tickets, etc. may be presented to meet condition (1). To meet condition (2), travellers can present authorisation of entry to the country of destination (e.g. a visa) or an identity document or residence authorisation for the country of destination, for example. |
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That's my reading of the rules too. Travelling back to UK on Weds from Munich after seven days in Austria. If anyone else knows otherwise, please could do keep us updated. Many thanks.
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