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plectrum, you too, bon voyage.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The news coverage on the Ski Club site and on snowHeads is interesting, but way down the list of my reasons for going to the sites/giving money.
Not at all convinced that going out generating news stories would increase any income to either.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| I am still not sure David has understood that the issue about hotlinks was that not only was he appropriating the image without permission, but was also costing the owners money by using their server bandwidth to display the image. |
... but it's important to recognise that image holders can easily (as I understand it) block hot-linking. If a site has concerns about potential misuse of its bandwidth, why would it not block hot-linking? No one's answered this yet.
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It's not actually really feasible to block hot linking, I've pointed this out to you many times over several years and so have other people, just give it up.
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You say it isn't feasible, yet many websites prove that they've found it perfectly feasible.
Drop the bossy tones, please.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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You say it isn't feasible, yet many websites prove that they've found it perfectly feasible.
Drop the bossy tones, please. |
No they don't, it's easy and simple to circumvent and offers no protection against copyright theft.
Drop the lectures on things you know nothing about please.
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
The news coverage on the Ski Club site and on snowHeads is interesting, but way down the list of my reasons for going to the sites/giving money.
Not at all convinced that going out generating news stories would increase any income to either. |
Not the point I'm making... a staff of EIGHT allegedly in the new media dept! Strewth, someone's gotta come up with some original content. If I was running it I'd make it a pre-requisite that the club should lead opinion rather than just crib it from elsewhere. It isn't too difficult to do.... almost as easy as regurgitating from other sites.
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Bode Swiller, Agreed, with a staff of eight surely they should be the world leader in wintersports new media news provision, OTOH nice work if you can get it 
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| ise wrote: |
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You say it isn't feasible, yet many websites prove that they've found it perfectly feasible.
Drop the bossy tones, please. |
No they don't, it's easy and simple to circumvent and offers no protection against copyright theft.
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Of course they do. And while it is not all that difficult to circumvent, it is non-trivial, and rather pointless to do so.
And of course it offers no protection against copyright theft. Why on earth would it?
All it offers protection against is what is commonly called "bandwith theft".
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boredsurfin, yes, world leaders. It's easy... pick up on a news story (these days they come thick & fast via news feeds), pick up the phone to whoever (resort tourist office, resort police, resort-based holiday reps, anyone) and investigate further. Write it up and post it to the site. They seem to have the time and resource to send "news crews" on behalf of SkiTV (that virtually nobody watches I'll wager) yet ignore the most popular media. We wouldn't be discussing their alleged plagiarism (and my impending streak!) if they were doing a proper news gathering job.
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Be nice to have some confirmation of that alleged staff of eight... suspect that will turn out to be rather less if you look at the total whole time equivalents and other roles they have. And even then - some may be web/techy -gnomes rather than content generators, let alone news-content generators.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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stoatsbrother, yes, but it only takes half a man day (or is it person day?) to bang out a good number of news stories. It's a habit they could esily get into and be seen as leading the snow news rather than second-handing it. Better for SEO purposes too as other sites will want to link to SCGB's up-to-the minute original news stuff. When you come to think about it, SCGB has a perfect news-feed service in the reps out in resort.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Does the new media department include ad sales? If so, that'd take up most of the 8 people!
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Elizabeth B, AFAIK, resort ads are outsourced to something called the Snowsports Consultancy, another ad selling agency is used for national consumer advertising, and some stuff is handled in house like sponsorship deals.
Bottom line... if they have time to trawl other sites and link to news stories, they have time to create some original content. I'd certainly be tasking reps with sending pics of conditions and anything remotely newsworthy (celebs, weird gear, members "enjoying" themselves etc etc). This isn't rocket science and SCGB has access to the resources to make it happen.
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You know it makes sense.
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Bode Swiller, AFAIK, the reps ski all day, that's what they're there for.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, me too but I manage to take a few pics along the way. All they've got to do is email them back with a few words! Takes little time.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Bode Swiller, and stick a rake up their ring pieces and they can groom the pistes as well! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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PJSki, absolutely, great idea. And, while you're at it, hand them a P11D so they can cough up for their benefits in kind like normal tax payers do!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller, ha ha ha, now we get to the truth, you're jealous because they get a bit of subsidised skiing. I think we should leave tax advice to the professional though, don't you?
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Bode Swiller, oh come on, what's the POINT of all this aggressive advice to the Ski Club about what they should be doing? If you're a member, suggest it to them directly. If not, why do you care? There is little interest, it seems to me, in what a load of agenda-bound snowHeads think about the Ski Club operation. Just let the Ski Club get on with doing what they want to do, and leave 'em alone. However, to get back on topic, I quite agree that they shouldn't plagiarise snowHeads material.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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PJSki, I know my way round personal tax well enough. I'm betting that none of the reps record their freebies for tax purposes and I'm also betting that the club doesn't do it on their behalf either. Sure, some will argue that they "work" for it but that cuts no ice with the tax man if I know the tax man. There's a can-o-worms in there.
Plagiarism, tax evasion... the list grows.
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OK, Bode Swiller seems to care how the Ski Club is run. Does anyone else?
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, oh come on, what's the POINT of all this aggressive advice to the Ski Club about what they should be doing? If you're a member, suggest it to them directly. If not, why do you care? There is little interest, it seems to me, in what a load of agenda-bound snowHeads think about the Ski Club operation. Just let the Ski Club get on with doing what they want to do, and leave 'em alone. However, to get back on topic, I quite agree that they shouldn't plagiarise snowHeads material. |
Just trying to be helpful
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Bode Swiller, who's evading tax?
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Hurtle, not so much that I care, it's just that here they are on a public forum being accused of plagiarism (I was sort of joking about tax evasion) and I've just floated a few ideas as to how they can be seen otherwise.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Bode Swiller, I am sure the club will appreciate your efforts. With friends like you who needs enemas!
| PJSki wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, and stick a rake up their ring pieces and they can groom the pistes as well! |
- well obviously you couldn't do that, but I am sure the female reps can multitask...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, who's evading tax? |
I don't know if anyone's evading tax. I'm prepared to bet, however, that the benefits in kind received by reps (accommodation, lift passes, anything else) aren't recorded on P11Ds as perhaps they should be. If there are expenses on the other side of the equation they should be recorded too. Net result may be that no tax is due but that doesn't make it right.
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Bode Swiller, As an employer - I believe those only count for a P11D if they actually are employees...
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Bode Swiller, weasel words to get out of libel? Anyway, they held their hands up to the other thing, said sorry and all that. But I'm starting to feel that you have some grudge against them.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, As an employer - I believe those only count for a P11D if they actually are employees... |
Quite so, and they are patently not employees. Oddly enough, another snowHead (who hasn't posted on here for a long time) who is a Ski Club member and who has professional knowledge of tax law, has just PM'd me to this effect. Not sure why he chose me, but still...
Bode Swiller, why are you axe-grinding? Is there something we should know?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, As an employer - I believe those only count for a P11D if they actually are employees... |
The tax man might consider that they are employed. Otherwise, they should be declaring such things on their own tax returns. One way or the other some would argue it should be assessed. (I couldn't give a monkeys but it's fun to raise the subject)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller, you think it's 'fun' to speculate about the tax status of Ski Club reps? You should get out more.
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Hurtle, I too have just received a PM explaining why he is axe grinding. Full Internet disclosure is, i'm told, in the works but not quite ready. He's done himself up like a kipper by all accounts. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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But I'm starting to feel that you have some grudge against them
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why are you axe-grinding?
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Hurtle, PJSki, SCGB-baiting is a fun sport. As soon as anyone says anything remotely naughty about the club the faithful come to the rescue and forum mayhem ensues. I didn't start this thread or contribute the bones of it, nor did I start the "Reps off-piste" one. If the club engenders this kind of publicity they only have one direction to look in... inwards.
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Bode Swiller, ok - let's see how it would work...
Dear Mr Murdoch.
I have an absolutely fascinating story of how I skied today with 7 other brits today in Resort X. We had a good time. The food here is nice. I have taken some nice photos of a chap I skied with called Jeremy. I have now been here for 10 days and therefore much better placed to access all the exciting changes going on here than the local media who have their own website which you have access to, and obviously none of your journalists would want to regurgitate the press releases from the resort (even though they received free accommodation here last year). My writing style reflects the way the Ski Club replaced the mountain and avalanche awareness section of the rep's course with a creative writing element. So would you kindly make the club happy by republishing my ski club blog in your paper?
A Rep.
Perhaps there might be a few tiny flaws in your plan for World Domination of the Mejah by the club? 
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PJSki, Hurtle, I have to say I quite enjoy Mr Swiller's take on the club. I don't think the club needs defending except when there are blatant untruths. And if we can spin this out for another 8 pages....
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stoatsbrother, i think swiller is on to something with the reporting of silly hats. The Beeb, et al will be kicking their doors in to get that stuff.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
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But I'm starting to feel that you have some grudge against them
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why are you axe-grinding?
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Hurtle, PJSki, SCGB-baiting is a fun sport. As soon as anyone says anything remotely naughty about the club the faithful come to the rescue and forum mayhem ensues. I didn't start this thread or contribute the bones of it, nor did I start the "Reps off-piste" one. If the club engenders this kind of publicity they only have one direction to look in... inwards. |
I'm perfectly happy with most of the content of both these threads, and I certainly don't consider myself one of 'the faithful' (I'm happy enough with my membership of the Ski Club, but I don't owe them any particular loyalty, I don't get emotional about people criticising them, and I criticise them myself). However, there's a difference between, on the one hand, legitimate criticism which is of specific relevance to snowHeads (this thread) or of general relevance to all skiers (the off-piste thread) and, on the other, continually taking silly pops at them. But hey, if you enjoy it, carry on!
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