 Poster: A snowHead
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620 miles to Lech, NO Euros for tolls
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Well, strictly speaking, about €8 give or take a few ¢ 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimastaaah, it's Mrs Bells to you. .
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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FWIW, I tend to chose the ski resort I go to for my skiing holiday based on the quality of the skiing rather than on the price of the beer.
Oktoberfest on the other hand.....
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My personal thoughts on this are that in general if you know where to go to get good food and drink you can get good quality at reasonable prices and my perception is that they can be found and don't have to be off the beaten track.
I can get a 0.5l stella on the slopes in the middle of 1850 overlooking the slopes for 5 euros, that's not too bad in my view, but within 800 yards you'll pay about 8 euros for exactly the same product with no extra costs to the provider.
In my view same pretty much applies to every resort I've skied in.
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Guess I'm just stalled by over-busy over-priced French resorts
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me too. That why I (and Mr Bells ) prefer less busy, fairly priced, French resorts.
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One example is driving through France Calais to EK, 600 odd miles, 110 Euros tolls each way!!
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Indeed I see your problem. It should have only cost 70 euro in tolls from Calais to Bourg st Maurice. Whereas getting to Lech involves avoiding the French, Swiss and Austrian motorway systems.
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johnE, ............ and using that super highway ............das autobahn. yup, only 83 miles NOT on a dual carriage/motorway............. for FREE.
QED, ............ more wonga for the beers.
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FWIW, I tend to chose the ski resort I go to for my skiing holiday based on the quality of the skiing rather than on the price of the beer.
Oktoberfest on the other hand..... |
Yeah, but the skiing is pretty good in Austria too... So all things being equal, why go to the one that is miles more expensive?
I normally go to France anyway, but that's mainly because I go with a group and get out-voted when I suggest new places.
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Great debate - E5 pints in 1850 and plats du jour for E10-12 - I have learned a lot and the 3V must be cheaper than it was a few years ago. Most comentary I read here and in other places seemed to suggest beer and food was twice that price in the 3V- might have to reconsider it.
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UPDATE - I'm going out for dinner tonight to a local, very decent, gastropub. I fully expect to pay £15+ for a main (£20+ if I go for steak), and ~£30 for a bottle of wine (I like wine, so sue me).
Out of interest I googled Garfunkles (it's NOT where I'm going, before you start). If you want to start with the pitchforks and flaming torches about rip-off prices, I suggest you start with these guys - £11.45 for a club sandwich. £17 steak. And this is for low quality produce bought at the massive bulk discount that only national chains can negotiate. http://www.garfunkels.co.uk/sites/default/files/Garfs%20Main%206pp%20210x380%20WEB.pdf
In early January you will find me lunching half way up and Alp above Val d'Isere enjoying a €13 plat du jour with a glass of house red. I will not consider myself robbed.
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countryman, Definitely you can get them (plats du jour for E10-12) in the Les Menuires valley - restaurant on the bottom of Granges chair, restaurant next to the middle station of Bruyeres gondola - both very nice places, and bar 360 (self service) in Val Thorens, again food was good. We did not have any mountain lunches in Courchevel, seemed expensive on top of 1650, we had a few sandwiches and a soup in a kiosk on the bottom Biollay chair.
The 4E beer was only at the terrace bar next to the gondolas in Mottaret so not a good representation.
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FWIW, I tend to chose the ski resort I go to for my skiing holiday based on the quality of the skiing rather than on the price of the beer.
Oktoberfest on the other hand..... |
Yeah, but the skiing is pretty good in Austria too... So all things being equal, why go to the one that is miles more expensive?
I normally go to France anyway, but that's mainly because I go with a group and get out-voted when I suggest new places. |
That's my point tho.. it's not 'miles' more expensive when you consider the total cost.
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Tragic
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You know it makes sense.
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We drive to France, a 10 litre box of Super U Merlot is around 18 euro, and small bottles of French beer are cheap, we also bung a crate of real ale and a crate of cider in the boot of our estate.
Hey presto cheap booze up the mountain.
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countryman, Definitely you can get them (plats du jour for E10-12) in the Les Menuires valley - restaurant on the bottom of Granges chair, restaurant next to the middle station of Bruyeres gondola - both very nice places, and bar 360 (self service) in Val Thorens, again food was good. We did not have any mountain lunches in Courchevel, seemed expensive on top of 1650, we had a few sandwiches and a soup in a kiosk on the bottom Biollay chair.
The 4E beer was only at the terrace bar next to the gondolas in Mottaret so not a good representation. |
i have said it before and will repeat, the courcheneige in 1850 is great value given its location. Small stella 2.5 euros, skiers lunch (3 very big courses for 27 euros). Agreed not bargain basement but given what you can get there and the location difficult to beat when you consider the prices some of the places not very far away charge.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Courchevel 1850 is a strange place. Some places are very reasonable and some ridiculous. And I cannot see why you have to take out a mortgage for a coffee at the altiport, whereas on the road you can get a full meal for less. Is it age that is dulling my taste buds but I really cannot detect any differences in the coffee from one bar to another? Yes, one had friendly rapid staff and the other did not. It was the cheap one that gave the better service
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| Courchevel 1850 is a strange place. Some places are very reasonable and some ridiculous. And I cannot see why you have to take out a mortgage for a coffee at the altiport, whereas on the road you can get a full meal for less. Is it age that is dulling my taste buds but I really cannot detect any differences in the coffee from one bar to another? Yes, one had friendly rapid staff and the other did not. It was the cheap one that gave the better service |
Nothing to do with the quality of the coffee, they just want to keep the riff-raff out and keep it clear for the posh knobs who are flying in
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You dudes are pennypinching bores.
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I just resent paying that much for beer. Makes me feel ripped off. Helps confirm my preference for Austria over France!
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pjd, you sound like a riot
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Thanks DrJohn
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| I just resent paying that much for beer. Makes me feel ripped off. Helps confirm my preference for Austria over France! |
yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Austria is inferior to France in just about every respect.
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yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Austria is inferior to France in just about every respect. |
Well. having skied in Austria last season after staying away for over 20 years, I have to say that is absolute nonsense.
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yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Austria is inferior to France in just about every respect. |
Standee, Always had better overall experience in Austria. Even after great time we had in 3V last winter, it will not stop me to plan next trip in smaller, lower etc resort in Austria or Italy. There are plenty of places worth skiing for a week in many countries. Not only those with the "biggest and highest" criteria.
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It seems you lot down in the big smoke don't really care as you get ripped off on a daily basis. Up here in the north you can still get decent pints for just over £2 so to have to pay E10 (arc 2000 a couple of years back) for a pint is scandalous.
Our usual trick is for everyone to need the loo at the same time during the transfer just before we get to the hypermarket then get them to stop for a toilet break while we just stock up on V. cheep beer, cheese and salami
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It seems you lot down in the big smoke don't really care as you get ripped off on a daily basis. Up here in the north you can still get decent pints for just over £2 so to have to pay E10 (arc 2000 a couple of years back) for a pint is scandalous.
Our usual trick is for everyone to need the loo at the same time during the transfer just before we get to the hypermarket then get them to stop for a toilet break while we just stock up on V. cheep beer, cheese and salami |
1: I'm not in the big smoke
2: I'm a Scot
3: It's not about being ripped off, it's about the priorities. For me the most important factor in choosing where I ski is the skiing itself. If that means I have to pay over the odds for a beer, then so be it. I might choose France this year and pay a lot for a beer, I might choose Austria next year and pay less for a beer. TBH I wouldn't care, I'm not there to penny pinch over the price of a beer when I've spent however much on kit, clothing and everything else associated with the holiday.
I'd go sofar as to suggest the opposite.. Don't be so tight. You're on holiday so enjoy yourself and push the boat out. For me, beer on a skiing holiday is incidental
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You know it makes sense.
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| I just resent paying that much for beer. Makes me feel ripped off. Helps confirm my preference for Austria over France! |
yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Austria is inferior to France in just about every respect. |
Strange conclusion to draw!
Just out of interest, what difference to the overall cost of the holiday does the cost of beer make? I will use a range of factors when deciding where to ski, such as how much terrain, what range of terrain, possible snow conditions, cost of the accommodation and lift pass, whether I will have friends skiing there, ease of access, possibility of cheesy euro-pop, all sorts of important factors. Whether the beer costs a couple of euros more or less than average is well down the list of factors that I use to decide.
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rob@rar, surely that depends entirely on how much you drink!
If I go with a group of guys I will expect to spend several times more on beer than on a quiet holiday with the missus...
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Poster: A snowHead
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bobmcstuff, surely, but it's the marginal cost that's important isn't it?
e.g. 5 pints a day over 7 days still doesn't really matter if your marginal excess is e.g. only €1 per pint. Or is that what you mean by "a quiet holiday with the missus"?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar, it's not the additional cost of the beer so much as a feeling that you've been ripped; that you are lining someone's pocket in a country where, the pas de Calais excepted, they have mediocre beer anyway. If you like beer you probably also like gemuetlich bars blasting out loud europop. Beer and jolly après ski go hand in hand which is why Austria is so good on that score.
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pjd, +1
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bobmcstuff, surely, but it's the marginal cost that's important isn't it?
e.g. 5 pints a day over 7 days still doesn't really matter if your marginal excess is e.g. only €1 per pint. Or is that what you mean by "a quiet holiday with the missus"? |
Erm... yeah probably... 
5 isn't too hard to get to though really, 1 at lunch time (and lots of water before someone mentions dehydration...), 1 or 2 after skiing (bearing in mind skiing finishes at 4.30-5pm which is relatively early), then 2 or 3 over dinner/while chilling out in the evening.
Whereas with all my male friends there will be significantly more than that, they go properly all out every night. I normally join in on one or 2 nights but go to bed at 1am-ish on the rest, which still adds up to more than 5 pints I find.
Although with the GF it's more likely to be wine than beer so not directly comparable.
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| pjd wrote: |
| rob@rar, it's not the additional cost of the beer so much as a feeling that you've been ripped |
Yeah that's a good point... I always get that feeling in London... Someone tried to charge me £6 for a pint near our office the other week, nearly had a heart attack. Fortunately it was on expenses so I managed to let it go.
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Dr John,
How was your dinner? Did you demonstrate the required level of outrage at the price of your bill?
More to the point, would you recommend it? Always on the lookout for places which don't screw up their food.
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beeryletcher, Pelforth - on draught all round Chamonix (Blonde) - often alongside Afligem, Leffe or Grimbergen, making for difficult and dangerous decision making.
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In France I need £600 spending money
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£100 per ski day.  You could do an entire holiday for not much more than that.
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Why drink?
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