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| dont go sking = no chance of having an accident skiing |
Renry, Don't get out of bed either, if I were you.  That definitely avoids the risk of falling down the stairs, scalding yourself with boiling water from the kettle, getting run over when you cross the road, etc...
There are experts - medical professionals, professional skiers, or indeed a combination of both, that can put forward very convincing reasons why - up to a certain period of the pregnancy - taking into account other very relevant factors such as general health, fitness, one's skiing standard - the level of risk from skiing in early pregnancy is very low.
You haven't answered Kramer's points, as far as I can see.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Renry, on what level of knowledge are you baseing your opinion? Do you hold a professional qualification to advise people on the risks of various activities, or is it a personal belief of yours?
You seem to believe that by not skiing you are removing all risk, and this just isn't the case. You're making an elementary error in assessing the risk benefit ratio by not taking into account the risks involved in not participating in the activity.
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Sorry if I was a bit heavy, conor. But your partner is very clear how she feels, and it seems that you are trying to find information to help her to change her mind. One thing you may find is that one of the fundamental rights of women is that, when pregnant, they can change their OWN minds ALL THE TIME, often for no reason at all, and that your job is to agree with everything.... You might find that when she is pregnant she takes up all kinds of dangerous pastimes, like climbing step ladders because she wants to get the windowframes painted before the baby arrives. Kramer is right about the emotional impact of a miscarriage - and they are frequent. Imagine if you had "persuaded" her to go skiing, and she had a miscarriage (probably nothing to do with the skiing at all and probably all for the best, but it doesn't feel like that at the time).
As for renry - you remind me of those families you see out on their bikes, 2 year olds in helmets, dad without one. What happens to the family when Dad has an unlucky fall, blood clot on the brain..... Sure, there are risks with skiing, so why do you go? A foetus inside during a collision is far less likely to be injured than one of those unfortunate babies who get carried round ski slopes in sub zero temperatures in a backpack. Will you stop skiing, to avoid unnecessary risks, when you have family responsibilities?
I didn't ski whilst pregnant but am pretty sure I would have, if the opportunity had arisen, especially in the middle trimester. Earlier on (having once suffered a traumatic miscarriage) I probably would have sat in a deckchair. People moaned a bit about me windsurfing but I was confident that I was doing the baby no harm and the biggest risk was looking ridiculous. Oher contributors above have made useful comments about taking babies and toddlers on ski holidays. Everything is easy with breastfed babies - I crossed continents with mine - but then it gets far harder, when they start to have ideas of their own and the mobility to put them into practice. And they miss you when you dump them in a creche! Skiing with kids (until they can be left to their own devices) is a mission. So best not to have a family if disruption to one's carefree adult ski trips is too much of an issue.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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conor,
For what it is worth my wife is a doctor and when looking at skiing when pregnant decided that going on holiday in the first trimester was unwise because she did not want to be feeling sick all holiday. In the third trimester she would be to big to be comfortable. We went skiing during pregnancy of both our children in the second trimester and had enjoyable holidays but she didn't push the skiing to much.
At the end of the day skiing is a pretty low risk activity but there is no activity that is zero risk I suspect though that driving on a daily basis may offer a greater risk to a pregnancy than an intermediate skier on holiday not pushing their limits.
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Adam Holt, congrats on the arrival!!!!
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Adam Holt, Many congratulations - name anything to do with sporting events ? 
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As a bloke who is not likely to have kids for the next few years I obviously have a different perspective to some of the recent fathers/mothers here, and I agree with Kramer and PG that if you get too panicky about risk you'll never have any fun. Most people's perception of risk is very irrational, and like Beanie says, skiing is not a high risk sport compared to several others. If you take it easy and ski within your limits you can make it almost totally risk free - I haven't fallen while skiing on piste in about 5 years (15 weeks skiing) and I know if I was pregnant I would be extra careful - avoid moguls, busy slopes etc, surely this is enough? For me the mental anguish of missing a season would probably do untold harm to the unborn child anyway so just go for it, certainly until a bump appears!
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| dont go sking = no chance of having an accident skiing |
Renry, Don't get out of bed either, if I were you. That definitely avoids the risk of falling down the stairs, scalding yourself with boiling water from the kettle, getting run over when you cross the road, etc...
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Skiing is a hobby, chosen to be done for recreation, as such can be avoided, all the above are part of day to day activities And to be honest most people who are commenting on my opinion seem to be using that as a argument against my slant on this thread.
If you base your arguments on rubbish like that then I dont think you are in a position to offer any advice with regards to what this thread is all about. Which was infact a simple question asking the opinions of so called Adults on wheather they think that a pregnant women should be skiing, and that is in fact what I have done.
And I stand by the fact that sking can be dangerous and can be chosen to be avoided.
nuff said.
If you dont agree thats ok, each to their own, but please dont have a go at me because I think differently to yourself.
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If this woman has a strong feeling that she would definitely not ski when pregnant, then to try to persuade her to do so would be very unfair and probably unsuccessful. Equally, however, if a fit healthy woman wanted to do some skiing whilst pregnant, then I think that should be her decision.
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This would be my opinion.
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To be completely honest with you . MY wife is 2 months pregnant and when we asked the doctor he said sure she can ski. His next question was how good of a skier are you. She is a novice skier. He told her to stay on easy blue runs and greens. But it's not her ability I am worried about it someone smashing into her which I worry about. So when she goes if she does I will be directly behind her at all times!!
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We had a group of 20 pregnant heifers (Young Cows) in a field when some Army Helicopters flew over very low. As you can imagine it totally freaked them out and then ran in all directions. At least 3-4 of them aborted their calves due to the trauma.
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Sorry, johnboy, are you saying that on-piste skiing is OK, but that Mrs conor, should avoid heliskiing?? |
LMFAO, Now that is just to damn funny. Run cow run, run ruuuun.
Oh my god are you calling her a cow  Just kidding! I am positive skiing is not gonna cause her that much trauma. Can't believe you would even compare a freaking pregnant cow to a pregnant human. LOL Holy poo-poo that was good. Thanks for the laugh!
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You know it makes sense.
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Renry, have you been skiing for long? Are you a medical professional? Do you intend actually answering the points made by a GP earlier in this thread?
You might also like to read the T&Cs on how not to contribute to this forum, given your confrontational approach so far:
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Calling someone a "dummy" simply because they disagree with you is OTT, even for a relative newcomer to the forum. As yet you've not substantiated your argument, nor responded to the points made by others.
The medical consensus is that a fit, healthy woman, skiing well with within her limits, is considered to be at low risk. I've known a number of experienced woman skiers who have skied during their pregnancies, one woman GP in particular in Orcières-Merlette with whom I discussed this on a couple of occasions.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Renry, have you considered that people are having a go, not because of what you are saying, but rather because of the way that you are saying it.
Added to the fact that your opinion (a personal one) seems to be based on the premise that gentle skiing is a high risk activity in early pregnancy, which seems to be based on something that some bloke told you in the pub once, which in my well informed, professional opinion, just isn't true.
Now I'm sorry to do this, but I'm a doctor, I'm afraid that just as Easiski knows far more about teaching skiing than I do, just as legal snowHeads know more about legal issues than me, in this case, I know far more about what I'm talking about than you do. I am telling you, that as an opinion, it is up to the lady to decide what she wants to do, rather than have an opinion imposed on her by someone who thinks that he knows what he's talking about, but in fact doesn't understand the basic rules of risk benefit analysis when it comes to health.
Your opinion on many topics will be welcome here, especially if you learn to be a little more tolerant of people who disagree with you, however when it comes to health issues, ill informed rumour and mythology is rarely helpful.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I promise it has nothing to do with ill informed rumour and mythology Kramer, but my opinion. However I will add I have had this discussion with my wife and she is with the majority here (agrees that skiing shouldnt be stopped just because of pregnancy)
Maybe my opinion is clouded because I have a 3 month old daughter, and anything that "could" have harmed her befor she even got to be here seems to me like a risk not worth taking. However if I hadn not become a father my opinion might have been different.
If everyone agreed all the time then these boards would be a very quiet place.
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Since I posted yestersday this thread has become somewhat heated......
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In fairness to Renry most people seem to use exactly the same argument as he does when it comes to wearing helmets. Something that I have from time to time disagreed with.
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Please dont miss understand me though guys. I am not ignorant to the medical facts with regards to this. My point is that a choice can be made to avoid any chance of an accident, and that is the choice I would make. That is all I have been trying to say, obviously very badly.
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Renry, absolutely, you have to make the choice that is right for you.
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Renry, I'm another medic and I'm afraid unsurprisingly, my opinion is the same as Kramer's - the risk is certainly not sufficiently substantive in the first 2 trimesters to be able to be prescriptive and as such personal preference is deferred to. However, I do take your point that one could choose to avoid an unnecessary perceived additional risk (assuming one's normal activities of daily living not to be unusually hazardous), no matter how small that risk may in fact be.
BTW things do sometimes get heated here but the snow in the ether makes it all ok again
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There was an article in Ski magazine where Edith Thys described skiing until two weeks before her baby was born.
Emma Carrick-Anderson was still skiing GS courses at 3 months last season.
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Myself and mrs AD went boarding with a couple who didn't realise she was pregnant, it was the girls first time boarding so she was falling sometimes heavily and was also constantly pissed.
The irony is she had been having IVF treatment for two years with doctors telling her to stay off her feet and dont strain herself etc.
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As a female who wants to be a mum one day - but not in the near future I will reserve the option to decide for myself and change my mind as many bl**dy times as i want! 
At the moment my 'opinion' is that a happy and relaxed pregnant woman is the best solution for a healthy pregnancy and birth. If that woman will stress while on the slopes, either of her own accord or because her partner is putting her under pressure to be careful then I would say don't do it, rather than the reason that the skiing activity itself is causing a problem.
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My wife used to think that she'd be happy to ski in the early stages of pregnancy. Once it became nearer to being a reality then she changed her mind and we worked our holidays around her pregnancy. Or possibly we worked the pregnancy around our holidays
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Renry,
I guess you don't do risk assessments as part of your work?
If you don't ski, what do you do during the time that you otherwise would be skiing? What are the hazard associated with that? What are the consequences? What is the probability of this occuring? Same questions for skiing. Now asses the relative seriousness of the consequences of those hazards and the probabilities of the occurences. Only then can you decide which is less "risky".
But I defend absolutely your right to make that decision together with your partner. Just don't try to impose it on anyone else - they also have the right to make their own assessment and their own decision.
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davehk, I am not imposing my opinion on anybody, infact it is quite the opposite. Its just that people keep going on about the fact that my opinion differs to most. You all know what my thoughts are on this, can I suggest we now let this drop, and agree to disagree and put a stop to anybody else jumping in on the thread and questioning me without even offering any advice to what the thread was all about in the first place 
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