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FFS why is this thread stuffed with people wanting to ram sugar down their throats? It used to be you stepped of the plane in the USA and the smell of 'glazed' everything smacked you in the face, seems like we're going the same way.
The food & drink industry must be laughing their c***s off when they look at sales of energy drinks and gels.
IMO, which of course is worthless and wide open to contradiction.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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midgetbiker, They are pretty handy for the active diabetic skier though 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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A good breakfast with some protein and complex carbs. Always have a glass of water with your coffee. Goulash soup at lunchtime. Limit the sugary stuff.
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Oh, dear - am I overdoing the calories somewhat? Has anyone got any idea what holiday maker skiing of I guess around 3-4hrs actual skiing a day gets through calorie wise?
We do OJ for brekky and have fruit in the appt. I often do veggies for dinner.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| Has anyone got any idea what holiday maker skiing of I guess around 3-4hrs actual skiing a day gets through calorie wise? |
No idea, but I guess not much. Skiing is very much a stop/start activity and the actual time that you are doing much is surprisingly little. And even then most of the work is resisting gravity in an as efficient way as you can manage, so I don't think it's a big calories burner. If you really want to burn off some calories you need to walk uphill rather than use the lifts. Ski touring burns off huge amounts of calories.
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rob@rar, Well a day at HH with IO skiing felt pretty knackering to me and that was all lifts!
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Megamum, I like to think we work you a bit harder on our clinics than a typical day in the mountains 
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So, I guess a cold beer to de-fur the tongue, a well buttered croissant and good dump is not quite the ideal start for a day's exertions 
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Always seem to plump for chocolate crepes individually wrapped for snacking and an apple as well as loads of water...get so dehydrated due to combination of forgetting to drink lots in the morning cos too overexcited about getting out as early as poss. (good intentions but never seems to quite happen!) and trying to do too much on the pistes 
P.S. Can't beat a good 'jamon et fromage' baguette for lunch either!!!
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am I overdoing the calories somewhat?
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I'd say so, based on your description. Our most frequent breakfast is actual home made toast and marmalade, coffee and a small OJ. I make bread which is better GI than shop (and hugely better than baguette) and is therefore more "satisfying". Typically I either have one fairly large slice or 1.5 slices if they're smaller. And that's it, till lunch. Lunch was piggy today. I had a good size omelette and salad and the OH had a an "assiette montagnarde" with loads of charcuterie and cheese. That would have been OK - the plate of chips between us was OTT though, as there was also bread, and we left half the chips though they were very good. I helped him with the cheese, which was delicious with a slice or 3 of baguette montagarde.
I had a small beer and he had a small red wine. 2 particularly good coffees. 31 euros. The size of the desserts being carried out was stupefying - we sometimes opt for desert instead of a main course but how anyone could stuff down one of those huge desserts, on top of a huge main course and a basket of bread, and then go and ski, is beyond me.
Now I'm home - at 1645 - I could eat a slice of Christmas cake, no problem. I shan't, though. My too tight ski trousers have become comfortably loose, and that's the way I like it.
I did have quite a bit of water with lunch - when I said I didn't drink any during the day, I was thinking of carrying it round in camelbak or whatever - can't be bothered with that, the kind of ski day I have doesn't warrant it. But it was tap water, in a jug. I do object to paying for water - rather have beer!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Just have a good breakfast. And maybe get some lessons.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just eat the same amount as you would any other day at home.
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I was a wee bit knackered and thirsty after my day in La Grave. Easiski produced a little sachet of Apple compote from her pack in the gondola down, which perked me up no end. I assume they'll be available in French supermarkets (this one was from SuperU).
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You know it makes sense.
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| Hip flask of Scotch. |
+10
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Dried fruit - apricots, raisins and nuts - brazils, hazlenuts and walnuts. Small bag in pocket, nibble on lifts. Pretty cheap, not too heavy to take out. Hydration bag in rucksack, fill with water and splash of fruit juice to make more interesting. Also decent breakfast. Real energy boost, pick up tube of fruit flavoured glucose tablets from Sainsburys. Beer at lunch to replenish those salts not replaced by the aforementioned! Medicinal whisky.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Boredsurfing, well I was guessing at actual time spent sliding on the snow. Not inc. sitting on lifts, sitting in bars/restaurant etc. i.e. the time spent actually 'working 'skiing'. based on the premise that on a long lift the time spent riding the lift may be comparable to the time spent sliding down, and on a shorter lift the time spent on the lift may even be longer than the time spent doing down.
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4 or 5 hours in, factoring time on lifts that would be 3/4 hours actually skiing.
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it would be quite interesting to work out the ratio, at normal "family" skiing speeds, not aiming for some sort of record. If 5 hours out equals 4 hours skiing I'd be surprised - that's 4 times as much time skiing down as lifting up. Never quite feels like that to me, even if skiing with people who faff.
I don't understand why normal downhill family green/red/blue piste skiing should require any "extra" calories, except for people who lead extraordinarily inert lives the rest of the time. Surely it's less energetic than, say, cleaning the bedrooms or digging the garden and a great deal less energetic than an ordinary sort of country walk, up hill and down dale.
It should be easy enough to work out, at the end of a holiday, whether you've consumed the right number of calories. If you've put on weight, you've had too many.
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| pam w wrote: |
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4 or 5 hours in, factoring time on lifts that would be 3/4 hours actually skiing.
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it would be quite interesting to work out the ratio, at normal "family" skiing speeds, |
I don't have the times any more but a few occasions I've used an altimeter watch to log how much time is spent skiing in a day (ie travelling downhill, at a rate faster than downloading on a lift). I was very surprised how little it was, and IIRC less than two hours in a reasonably full day of skiing.
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less than two hours in a reasonably full day of skiing.
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yes, I can imagine it can be as little as that - especially if there are lift queues.
Hurtle, there is another possible explanation.
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
| FFS why is this thread stuffed with people wanting to ram sugar down their throats? |
erm - I brought up sugar, and I think the point was badly made/missed entirely. It was supposed to be about being hydrated. Many people think that sugar will give an instant energy boost, but if you are dehydrated, it can't, as the various processes in your body that create energy for muscle use will shut down if you are dehydrated. Any excess water will be used to try and flush out toxins before they kill your brain. If you have a normal balanced diet, being properly hydrated is way more important than what you eat in the course of a day
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| Boredsurfing wrote: |
Megamum
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I guess around 3-4hrs actual skiing a day
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 Is it worth going.
Even if we don't get out until 11.00am we still get 4 or 5 hours in, factoring time on lifts that would be 3/4 hours actually skiing.
If we start late we skip lunch and enjoy the deserted slopes whilst the French (and the Essex holiday makers it would seem) eat their huge lunch.  |
No way you would be skiing 80% of the time, unless you come down the hill like someone on their 3rd day on skis. Trying to organise different routes and meeting times this year, we timed a few lifts and runs. On some non detachable lifts, it could take 20 minutes up for 5 minutes down, but with most of the modern stuff, if you didn't stand about on the slopes, it would take an average of twice as long to go up as to come down. (We didn't count queue times,) but worked out that for 8 hours on the slopes, with no breaks, it was virtually impossible to have more than 3 hours skiing. You might get 4 if you doddle about on the way down, but I think if you add queue times and the odd break, you will be hard pushed to get more than 2-3 hours. (To be fair, a fit person could do a marathon in that time, so it isn't as bad as it sounds)
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I think megamum was emphasizing the importance of "simple sugars" - lots of jam, sugar and chocolate in her plan for the day. Whereas I argued that for the ordinary family doing ordinary things, including normal lift served skiing, sugar is just not needed at all. A nice thing to have occasionally, in moderation, but basically empty calories, no nutritional value and a major cause of all kinds of problems including overweight, tooth decay, insulin resistance, etc etc.
Even for diabetics, whilst glucose is used for treating hypos, it's much better to use more complex carbohydrates with lower GI, for everyday purposes. Athletes in certain events (especially diabetic ones) have very special requirements, but that's not what's under discussion here, is it?
It's shocking how much sugar is in foods touted as "good for kids" - like fruity yogurts, Little Filous, etc etc. Not to mention many breakfast cereals. Coco Pops - 35% sugar. The "diet" Special K is 17% sugar. Muller Corner yogurts - 15%. Sugar tends to be particularly high in foods sold as "low fat" cos it's the only way of stopping them tasting of absolutely nothing.
I like many foods which have sugar in (though none of those listed above......) and if I ate them whenever I fancied I'd be fat, that's for sure. Which definitely wouldn't help me ski better.
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Thornyhill,
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Many people think that sugar will give an instant energy boost, but if you are dehydrated, it can't, as the various processes in your body that create energy for muscle use will shut down if you are dehydrated. Any excess water will be used to try and flush out toxins before they kill your brain. If you have a normal balanced diet, being properly hydrated is way more important than what you eat in the course of a day
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For your average skier I suspect being adequately hydrated is as much of a problem as being adequately carbohydrated ie not really a problem. You really have to be massively dehydrated before your body does any 'shutting down'. And removal of toxins for most purposes is the kind of rubbish that is advocated by snakeoil salesman trying to push detox products. Kidneys really are remarkably efficient organs.
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T Bar - you don't have to be that dehydrated before you start feeling knackered and have no energy. I didn't say your body was shutting down. I said, some of the processes are shutting down. Production of ADP and ATP are both reliant on an excess of water. If there isn't enough water, the process won't happen. Try running for an hour or two with a hangover
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Thornyhill,
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Try running for an hour or two with a hangover
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Try drinking a litre of water before and after going to bed after drinking. You will still be hungover, you will not be dehydrated and you will still feel *** when you run.
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Production of ADP and ATP are both reliant on an excess of water. If there isn't enough water, the process won't happen.
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Don't know what you mean stop producing ATP and you are dead.
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If people feel tired and ache when skiing is it because they are nutritionally unprepared or because they are skiing inefficiently and using muscles that rarely get a workout? I can't believe that many recreational skiers fail to ski in the way they want because their food intake is insufficient, unless they are doing some fairly heavy duty trekking or skinning.
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You know it makes sense.
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| T Bar wrote: |
Don't know what you mean stop producing ATP and you are dead. |
Really? What might cause that then?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Thornyhill wrote: |
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Don't know what you mean stop producing ATP and you are dead. |
Really? What might cause that then? |
Well anything that poisons cellular respiration will, cyanide for instance.
Not a little dehydration.
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Speaking as a Type1 diabetic: a hearty breakfast, half a dozen jelly babies, and plenty of water gets me through 3-4 hours to lunch...oh, and of course being fit in the first place kinda helps.
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I'll ski a full day
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I'll ski a full day too (though TBH I usually don't) but of that full day, a lot of it is sitting on lifts and most skiing (blues and cruisy reds, at average speeds, in good conditions and decent vis) is hardly stretching, is it? I can't do strenuous hill-walking for a full day, that's for sure. I do a one hour body workout class sometimes (not nearly often enough) and it is hugely more knackering than most holiday skiing.
I'll bet if most people lost a lot of weight on a ski holiday they'd be even more popular than they are!
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pam w,
If people exerted themselves more they would probably lose weight (or injure themselves  ). Suppose calories burnt is very dependent on the skier but even 200 to 300 cals an hour for 3 hours is likely to be more than people do at home. 600-700 cals an hour is really pushing it and it's unlikely most people would do that for more than an hour. So why aren't people losing weight? might have somethinhg to do with the calorific value of beer, germknödels etc (which is fair enough on a ski holiday)
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half a dozen jelly babies
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I'm amazed nobody else has mentioned this. I thought everybody skied with a family bag of Jelly Babies in thier pack
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As much breakfast as you can take. Cooked, cheese baguettes, Alpen, if you have room. Grab a banana and have it around 11am with a coffee, with sugar in your drink.
Have a good lunch, with Pepsi, not beer and stop skiing around 4pm.
Then, re-hydrate at the bar.
Avoid the threes. Third day, 3000m and after 3pm. Venture into/past each with caution.
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