I think Pams comments are mostly fair, even if I dont happen to agree with her.
I still think the offer stacks up pretty favourably against working for EU 300 a month in a commercial chalet, in terms of a work/personal freedom balance, as long as you are not completly broke.
Id be astounded if a couple didnt manage to get 5 days skiing a week, although granted not all day during the holiday periods.
After all, kids go to ski school or ski with us, and astounding as it may seem we like spending time with them too.
This is more for poeple who want to take a break from work , rather than get a job.
So lets not have a witch hunt...
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nixmap, given the current economic situation wouldn't be surprised if you had quite a few applications. Now a good time to take a career break if you can afford it, I imagine a young professional couple who perhaps have been made redundant and decided to wait a while befoe looking for a new job might look at doing this sort of thing.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Kruisler wrote:
The OP never asked for comments on the deal offered, or his lifestyle...He asked people interested by said deal to make contact...
I'd say you totally missed the point, of even the original poster.
It's not an advert. It's a post. So there's an expectation of comments. Or he would have posted on advert sites instead.
When a poster REALLY wants no comment, they typically say "PM off-line", and then proceed to ignore all the speculation.
Not everyone agree with all points expressed by pam w. But to say she shouldn't comment, you've just missed the spirit of ANY internet board.
Yes, but do we need to rehash all of last year's negativity? But my natuaral nosiness does wish last year's incumbent were posting.
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Kruisler wrote:
The OP never asked for comments on the deal offered, or his lifestyle...He asked people interested by said deal to make contact...
So its spam then? I'd have thought better to have continuing debate keeping the thread high up then no letting anyone respond. pam w's view on the attractiveness of the offer is perfectly valid as I think consensus on the previous thread was that the deal would work for some but definitely not all. For me the deal breaker would have been the potential disappointment resulting from missing the best ski days of the season, for other people it might be the cooking & cleaning.
At worst the OP is guilty of embellishing the position a little bit.. so bl00dy what! His was an informal post about some deal he offers, not some professional advert for paid work.
Of course it's an advert for paid work, just that the pay is a tied cottage. Personally I agree with PamW, it looks like a cheapskate way to hire a couple to work weekends.
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Of course it's an advert for paid work, just that the pay is a tied cottage. Personally I agree with PamW, it looks like a cheapskate way to hire a couple to work weekends.[/quote]
I completley disagree and if I did a season again I would certainly apply. Ski season staff dont do it to make money AND you have an awful lot of time when the family arent there to lol about, ski, lay in etc.
After all it is free
After all it is free
abc wrote:
I'd say you totally missed the point, of even the original poster.
It's not an advert. It's a post. So there's an expectation of comments. Or he would have posted on advert sites instead.
When a poster REALLY wants no comment, they typically say "PM off-line", and then proceed to ignore all the speculation.
Not everyone agree with all points expressed by pam w. But to say she shouldn't comment, you've just missed the spirit of ANY internet board.
By the same token then, anyone posting e.g. offers of vacant places on organised trip in "Solo skiers vs Groups" or selling stuff on "Buy, Sell, Exchange" should expect everybody to express their view on the quality of the item being sold, the quality/content of the post and the value of the deal?
Really?
Someone can't simply post about some stuff their offering without every aspect being scrutinised by you good people?
Sad state of affairs that thankfully isn't repeated on the other forums I frequent..
Furthermore in this case, it is arv who actually started last year's thread, plucking nixmap advert/post (...to please all semantic fans..) from another forum...
and about 4th post in :
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Could be an all time great TGR troll - or just some w**ker of a rich expat who thinks he can buy off slaves on the cheap with the the promise of free accomodation in a ski resort - reads to me a bit like "We're too rich to look after our own kids or sort out our own stuff at the weekend or on holiday"
Great advert for internet forums
I used maybe unfairly pam w post as the basis of my rant but really what I am criticising is the sanctimonious tone used by some others when asking some (however pertinent) questions, and the need that some have to be so judgemental, clearly seeing themselves as having some sort of moral superiority...
But that's a trait of this forum lately, exacerbated no doubt by the summer "lull"..
I don't really get drawn in usually but the moon must be wrong today...
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fatbob wrote:
missing the best ski days of the season.
The school holidays and weekends are the worst days of the ski season, unless you like queues, sharing the slopes with other skiers, and having to wait over 5 minutes to get onto a lift or get a beer. But then you can always go to France for that.
Nix
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Kruisler wrote:
By the same token then, anyone posting e.g. offers of vacant places on organised trip in "Solo skiers vs Groups" or selling stuff on "Buy, Sell, Exchange" should expect everybody to express their view on the quality of the item being sold, the quality/content of the post and the value of the deal?
YES, IMO.
There's always eBay, where no question is asked and gullable suckers abound.
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Nadenoodlee,
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Ski season staff dont do it to make money
Yes, they do IMO.
Al least, they expect to do (40-50) hours of work for enough money for renting an apartment, food and to spend the rest of the time skiing or socialising. In this case, there is no money left over from about 25 hours a week up to 60 hours a week for anything other than the apartment rent.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
Kruisler is right in my opinion on both the post, the responses to that post and on the moral superiority and people jumping on their high horses that seems to be happening of late.
If the people who hate the idea don't want to work in nixmap's chalet then don't apply, I'm sure he'll have no trouble in finding someone else!
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So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
I agree, but then again interweb forums would be really dull if every thread was along the lines of "whos wants this" "me" "thanks"
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
nixmap, sorry if this was on the first thread and I missed it, but what language is spoken in your resort?
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
I'm very keen to hear from last year's person, not because I care deeply that people applying this year aren't mislead, but just because I'm nosey. And made even more so by nixmap referring to "frantic" periods and "cabin fever". All sounds entertaining to me...
And all credit to nixmap for not revealing who did the job last year, and for making quite balanced comments on how it went. I still want the salacious version though
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ChrisWo, I agree that's my motivation for checking this thread - the coded references above I suspect allude to midget swingers parties caught on the master bedroom spycam
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fatbob, nosiness is my motivation for following the thread also, in particular now I want to know more about the 'midget' swinger parties
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ski season staff dont do it to make money
but they would generally hope to break reasonably even by the end of the season. They start off broke, and they end up broke. Many of the people with sufficient capital to be able to take four months off work and pay all their skiing costs and (presumably, unless the chalet feeds them) for much of their food and drink would probably have the means to pay for their own accommodation too. No doubt there are some people who are keen to do a season, don't want to work full time but don't have enough money to just ski, and for them this could be a good arrangement. Presumably the chalet owner would be willing to answer - in private - questions such as "are you happy with ordinary sort of family food like lasagne and salad or would you be looking for something fancier" but given that he has chosen to air his plans on an internet forum I still can't understand quite why he doesn't want to give any answers at all in the threads. He's perfectly entitled not to, of course, but no more entitled than I am to ask them.
If people put an advert in the "selling" thread for a pair of skis, but wouldn't reveal what skis they were, what length, or how old,and just said "get in touch if you're interested and I'll give you more details" it would seem a bit rum.
Anyway, last year's thread was a good laugh. Especially I remember one poster claiming that doing the weekly shop to feed the family over the weekend would only take half an hour. I thought of that a few times subsequently, as I waited in the queue in the supermarket in Albertville with a full trolley load, wondering whether I'd get back up the hill without chains. It could take the best part of 30 minutes just to stagger up from the car with it and stow it all away in the right places. Where are the shops? Is the vehicle which the housekeepers could use? I also thought wryly of his estimate that the cleaning would be a matter of running a vacuum round, as I did some of the end of let cleaning - in small apartments which had been carefully used, well looked after, and left in a decent state, with no more than normal family activity to clean up. It rarely took less than 2 hours to do a good job which included no washing up, no bed-making and no laundry.
nixmap, sorry if this was on the first thread and I missed it, but what language is spoken in your resort?
Häsli dietcxxh
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ChrisWo wrote:
I'm very keen to hear from last year's person, not because I care deeply that people applying this year aren't mislead, but just because I'm nosey. And made even more so by nixmap referring to "frantic" periods and "cabin fever". All sounds entertaining to me...
And all credit to nixmap for not revealing who did the job last year, and for making quite balanced comments on how it went. I still want the salacious version though
Nosey isn't good enough, see last years thread about privacy.
I think ive been open enough.
It was only frantic from a certain perspective, record powder snow falls, mid holiday break should be enough to make any true snowhead go completely beserk. The powder was shoulder height and everyone was frantic to ski it
In 40 years i have never seen such a snow fall.
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I would encourage anyone interested but worried about cabin fever to watch this video
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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
arv wrote:
I would encourage anyone interested but worried about cabin fever to watch this video
Exactly, on message.
but the spycam swinger parties can be theraputic
After all it is free
After all it is free
Ghost Dog wrote:
... my natuaral nosiness does wish last year's incumbent were posting.
I bet he/she is, or at least watching and chuckling. It's just that we don't know who it is. (Not me, by the way.) I have found this, and last year's thread very entertaining and I say let it follow its meandering path down the summer slopes. Oh and I want to know about the spycam stuff too.
DJ
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Well, I would post a clip of the spycam stuff, but this is a family forum
We still have a way to go to top last years 5 pages.
Maybe I should the old thead on TGR to this one here, to liven things up.
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As the novelty value has obviously worn off perhaps this job advertisement should be transferred to Buy Sell Exchange.
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I met the guy JT refered to on the previous page (a mini TGR/Snowheads hook up at Resort Z).
He had a similar deal to the one nixmap is offering and had only good things to say.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
nixmap wrote:
The main chalet heating is wood fired kacheloffen.
an oven that runs on kach? do you dry them out first? I've heard that kuhkack can burn quite well.
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You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
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Nosey isn't good enough, see last years thread about privacy.
Nosey's what the internet thrives on, live with it
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I think ive been open enough.
Agreed. It's for last year's worker to 'come out' now and tell us what it was *really* like...and whether you got their permission to release the video on youtube.
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
I would love to do it if I had a season to spare and didn't have to cook or clean
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ChrisWo wrote:
tell us what it was *really* like...
As you can see we had a rotten time.
and the kids hated it becuase they got dumped with the baby sitter.
And the crowding made you think you were in france.
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hello i am new.... and i have seen this thread from a link on natives,
after doing 5 seasons 3 with tour operators and 2 with private chalets as a chalet host (the last 2 with my dog).... and now trying to settle permenantly in mayrhofen, i am keen to give my opinion on this, I think that it is a good offer for the right person ie: someone who has saved some money for a season and wants to work very little and be able to cut there outgoing expensives. As at the moment i am doing a similar arrangment as the recession appears to of hit mayrhofen therefore no jobs... i have 3 euros to my name but i am helping out in a hostel for my food and beer in exchange for 12 hours a week work.... if by the end of the month i still have no job and no money to pay my rent i can move into the hostel for an extra 10 hours work a week, and i pick as and when i do these hours, and i am happy with this and i think it is fair.
if i was going for this job i would be asking these questions to nixmap
will food be provided?? either when you are there and i am working or for the whole time?
can we agree on a set amount of hours... with any extra paid? obviously without taking the mick by working slowly to get cash... but at the same time i wouldn't be comfortable knowing i might be working 60 hours one week when i am working 25 another for the same benefits.
are there any other possible benefits ie travel out to resort, ski pass etc all usual things to get when working for private chalets or tour operators
what are the food budgets, what type of food would you like and a detailed list of duties expected
and then of course what will happen if the arrangement isn't working for either parties, in respect of notice periods etc
i also used to work on yachts in france and i lived on the boat all week while the family only came on the weekends which was when we cooked and cleaned for them the difference was we were being paid 3000euros a month each for doing exactly what nixmap is asking but in a chalet....
all in this i think it is a good offer and the ski area and chalet look lovely and i am sure for the right person its a perfect opportunity.... would be very interesting to hear from last years person though....
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
amisurfer, Welcome to s. From your tag it would appear you are the kind of person the OP is looking for! Go for it! The experience you have would be invaluable especially as you come cheap
cheap??? hahahaha i wasn't aware that quality of life was cheap i thought you got that from hard work and good friends regardless of how much money you have.... my experiences of travelling for the past 10 years has taught me that!!!
i live in one of the most beautiful places in the world, i go snowboarding every morning on one of the best glacier's in europe and live by a beautiful river in a hostel that is built into the mountains as well as being one the oldest and most fascinating buildings in the zillertal valley. oh and did i mention the endless hiking and climbing i have on my doorstep, and the winters here, nearly 650km of pistes and years of exploring for fresh powder.... so i am definitely not cheap i wouldn't do what i do for anything less than what i have got now.....
some people value things differently to other
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amisurfer wrote:
hello i am new.... and i have seen this thread from a link on natives,
Really? fancy that, Snowheads is much better anyhow.
amisurfer wrote:
i might be working 60 hours one week when i am working 25 another for the same benefits.
You have to look at the season as a whole. then average it out someone tried to do that on last years thread
Comparing this to a hostel, is not the same,
we dont have an open restaurant, 7 days a week,
in reality we probalby have one big meal on a weekend (saturday night)
Generally friday finds us arriving late 9:30 or so with little patience for a fancy meal.
Equally we are not putting you up in a bunk room with 4 other pairs occupants.
I dont want to dis you arrangment, but its just not the same.
what are the food budgets, what type of food would you like and a detailed list of duties expected
Details are available for detailed applicants. Every applicant brings different qualities, so to stipulate 5 star chef requiements, might put a great childcarer off. Whats been good (especially from snowheads) is the variety of applicants. Ranging from retirees to gap students. Id like to keep it that way
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and then of course what will happen if the arrangement isn't working for either parties, in respect of notice periods etc
I have no idea. There are no bars on the windows, or handcuffs (the furry ones went missing last year.. pesky midgets)
Nix.
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just to correct nixmap i have no wish to apply for this job in the winter i manage a private chalet for a family in mayrhofen and i get paid 500euros a month plus accomodation, food ski pass and insurance, so please do not try and tell me how private chalets run as i have been managing private chalets for 2 seasons and before that did 3 seasons with TO's 1 as a chalet host/chef another as a chalet manager then after that a resort manager so i am well aware of how seasons work..... both through tour operators and private. I was merely pointing out the questions people need to ask you especially people who might be doing a season for the first time but are choosing to not go down the tour operator route.... it can be quite scary for some people going to work abroad for the first time.
don't worry you didn't dis me.... my friend had recently bought the hostel so when i move in i get a lovely double room all to myself the summer, i am well past the room sharing thing
as said before 10 years of travelling and now living full time in the alps i have met my fair share of good and bad people and i have definitely wisened up to the bad, one guy in particular who just employed gap year students for only one season so he could manipulate them into working ridiculous hours and with extremely poor conditions.... he got away with it because he knew they had nothing else to compare it to as they had never worked abroad before let alone done a season. as for notice periods maybe even a contract etc its good to have those things set in place for both parties benefits regardless of how light hearted you are... as you don't really know who you letting into your chalet until they are actually there, that was my point.
was last season your first season with the chalet or just employing someone?
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
With 10 years travelling under your belt you beat me by 5!!!
I am jealous of your location, alas I am now on the treadmill and dreaming!
After all it is free
After all it is free
amisurfer wrote:
my friend had recently bought the hostel so when i move in i get a lovely double room all to myself the summer
Well I guess you are getting mates rates then, Honestly I not sure I could charge a friend of mine to stay in the summer time, when there are hundreds of chalets empty, But thats between you, and him. Sounds like a good deal though especially if it carries though till winter.
Nix
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Disappointed this thread has ground to a halt, it's been giving me great lunchtime browsing entertainment.
On the face of it, I thought nixmap's offer might be a reasonable deal, subject to the devil being in the detail and all that. ie. pining down the value of what he was offering (in terms of accomodation) vs amount of work expected in return. Lets face it, that's all this boils down to.
However, a comment or post by the previous incumbent is nothing other than suspicious by it's absence.
Did you make him/her sign an NDA or something Nixmap, or have you slapped a gagging order on them
I mean come on, if i'd done the job and it went well, we got on etc, I'd have no problem if you asked me to log in and post a few comments about the experience.
If it worked well, no reasonable person would mind taking 3 minutes of their time to do such a post...
G
Ps. looks like you had some lovelly powder though ! Making me dream of next winter already
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nixmap, I read last years thread, and have browsed this one. Perhaps I am missing something vital, but personally I don't think its a bad deal. If I didn't have ties, and had the freedom to go and do what I wanted and the cash to help me live during the time, I would have no hesitation in having a shot at something like this. The idea appeals to me. Accommodation in the alps is 50% of the cost of a holiday - I bet you could have good time doing something like this. I'm surprised that on both occasions you have been subjected to derision, unless, of course, there is something huge that I've missed.
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