 Poster: A snowHead
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Spikyhedgehog, You'll have to search Arno's previous TRs to see how good ADH looks (very). 
Swirly, Well, most of the peeps I takde to LG are not experienced mountaineers or climbers or even off piste skiers, so without a guide, even on the Vallons they can get into serious trouble. How do they know which way to go? I've had twits shouting at each other in the valley under the avalanche shutes on a hot spring afternoon - all sorts - I agree that experienced people might not need a guide for the simpler stuff, but on a forum like this it would seem unwise to say so, as most who read here are not as experienced as you in the mountains.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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which way would you go in the Vallons if you didn't know????
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Down, there's even a sign at the top saying Vallons de la Meije with an arrow, there's another near it saying Vallons de Chancel with an arrow pointing the other way. Even the dangerous parts aren't exactly subtle, steepish pitch at the start and massive seracs on the right.
To clarify I was talking about the first visits for someone looking to seriously ride La Grave. Also wouldn't you teach someone about the differences in skiing there and off piste in general first? You wouldn't take someone down a steep black without checking their skills were up to it so why take them to La Grave when they don't have any of the relevant mountaincraft skills? This may sound elitist but not more so than signs on runs saying expert skiers only etc IMO.
Good to hear about the snow holding over there, probably going tomorrow: powder day 
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Swirly, Surely the whole point is that the Vallons de la Meije (and to an extent Chancel) are 'tourist' routes and easily skiable by people with moderate skills. La Grave is a magic place, incredibly beautiful etc. so people should not be frightened off going just because they don't have the skills/desire to ski steep couloirs etc. The Vallons is almost pisted (by skiers) most of the time, so they don't even have to be all that experienced off piste. They have to be solid and controlled skiers. However people in this category should not even consider going without a guide (not necessarily HM) to show them the alternatives. After that they can go by themselves. Experienced off pisters such as yourself and Al Tom, shouldn't really require a guide for most places.
It'll be outstanding today.
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GrahamN, did Freaux yesterday, bit interesting at the top big bumps, rocks and even a little bit of blue ice, got better lower down once I got some rhythm and gave myself a talking to. It's pretty easy to find with a map although there is still a moment where you're thinking I hope I'm in the left one. Spoke to one of the La Grave Saissonaires who had done the right hand one (Faux Freaux) and had skied out the side into trees to avoid the ice pitch and then skied back in: a bit much for us!
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