 Poster: A snowHead
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Nurse...Nurse! Mr veeeight's stopped taking his anti-arrogance pills again!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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While it may be true that V8 has posted in haste, and I take the points made by Slikedges, I am keen to have more expert opinion on the forum, and do encourage my friends to contribute. When we (that is, fully qualified and professional skiers or ski teachers) are made to feel that our opinions and help are not appreciated, one becomes less likely to bother to post. The idea is to help people. We will not encourage new pros to post more often if they read posts basically rubbishing our expertise in comparision to a holiday skier! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Agreed easiski, but there are ways and ways. As an example, however seriously you and I have disagreed, you've always argued your corner constructively and I've never felt from any of your posts that I'm a snivelling pion unworthy of the pearls being laid out for my delectation.
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GrahamN, Thank you kind sir! 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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slikedges, what do you know about pills? 
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easiski, I didn't like the undertone of his post above and posted my considered and dispassionate views, but I haven't taken any offence at all to that particular post. As you well know from previous PMs, I do indeed consider many of v8s contributions here hugely informative and helpful. However, no matter how valuable the contributions a user makes, being rudely dismissive in the face of a constructive and well reasoned post just 'cos it doesn't agree with your views isn't in the right spirit. We had a previous contributor here of even greater value and influence, however unfortunately his posting attitude eventually made his presence on the site untenable.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| slikedges wrote: |
| However, no matter how valuable the contributions a user makes, being rudely dismissive in the face of a constructive and well reasoned post just 'cos it doesn't agree with your views isn't in the right spirit. |
Good point, well made.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Most instructors here have got it right, IMV. They state what they think correct, and respond constructively to punters such as I when they think we have not understood a point, or we ask for advice. And they usually respect one another's different views amongst themselves - though they may probe the reasoning. easiski, sshh, and Martin Bell immediately spring to mind as examples - my apologies to those I am sure I have missed. I find the instructor presence here generally helpful.
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slikedges, I think he just got out of bed on the wrong side that day, but it would be nice to hear from him. 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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easiski, I'm still here, just don't see the value of personalising arguments on an internet forum!
(and it's just reminded me of the piece below, written by Charlie Brooker, The Guardian):
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There's no point debating anything online. You might as well hurl shoes in the air to knock clouds from the sky. The internet's perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain't one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional "live audience" quickly conspire to create a "perfect storm" of perpetual bickering.
Stumble in, take umbrage with someone, trade a few blows, and within about two or three exchanges, the subject itself goes out the window. Suddenly you're simply arguing about arguing. Eventually, one side gets bored, comes to its senses, or dies, and the row fizzles out: just another needless belch in the swirling online guffstorm.
But not for long, because online quarrelling is also addictive, in precisely the same way Tetris is addictive. It appeals to the "lab rat" part of your brain; the annoying, irrepressible part that adores repetitive pointlessness and would gleefully make you pop bubblewrap till Doomsday if it ever got its way. An unfortunate few, hooked on the futile thrill of online debate, devote their lives to its cause. They roam the internet, actively seeking out viewpoints they disagree with, or squat on messageboards, whining, needling, sneering, over-analysing each new proclamation - joylessly fiddling, like unhappy gorillas doomed to pick lice from one another's fur for all eternity.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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veeeight,
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the piece below, written by Charlie Brooker
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What a fabulous piece of writing - thank you! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hurtle, no it isn't.
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laundryman, I expected you'd say that. Typical of you.
(did I pay for the 5 or 10 minute argument?)
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Wear The Fox Hat, you didn't pay, I'm just an amateur. Anyway, I wouldn't argue with a pro. Or even contradict.
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laundryman, I'm just a novice. (well, I was until the mother superior threw me out because of my bad habit)
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Wear The Fox Hat, in that case, what are you doing posting on this forum? Only registered arguers with an up-to-date qualification should be allowed to do so.
If we let you go on unchecked, I bet you'll soon be posting argument tests and reviews!
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horizon, does it matter where I get my qualification from, I mean, if I'm certified in Andorra, is that as good as Austria, or do I need an international argument certification? Also, if I get it now, is it valid until I die?
And even with my argument qualification, is it worth anything if I hate arguing with some people because they don't treat me with enough respect. Don't they know who I am?
You want the argument? You can't handle the argument!
(with apologies to Jack Nicholson)
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brian
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Surely the best arguer is the one with the biggest scowl 
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brian
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| slikedges wrote: |
| Skiing isn't medicine. |
No, indeed. Spend a couple of days on epic and you'll be under the distinct impression it's considerably more complicated.
I have to say it's quite frightening how convincing folk can sound on here when they're suitably confident and jargoned up. Then their actual skiing ......
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You know it makes sense.
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slikedges, I'm afraid this is his usual MO. As I think we've both seen, he often comes up with good stuff, but his style of deliberately courting controversy then flouncing off with his nose in the air when someone rises to the challenge is not attractive. Shame he can't see it. I'm led to believe he's a good guy, but he does do a very good impression of being a total ar$e.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Gentlemen, please don't keep dragging this down to a personal level. There is no horse, high nor low.
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Poster: A snowHead
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GrahamN, 'fraid it might be looking that way.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stoatsbrother, Come on, it's not as though veeeight is the only person on here who occasionally lords it over others in the guise of a self-appointed expert and/or who writes as though his viewpoint is the only correct one! Let he who is without guilt...
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...cast the first pole.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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laundryman, how long should it be?
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Here we go.
What was it WTFH once said? Like a pack of rabid dogs, having sniffed dinner.
Get it all out now gents. Then we can move on.
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| ...Come on, it's not as though veeeight is the only person on here who occasionally lords it over others in the guise of a self-appointed expert and/or who writes as though his viewpoint is the only correct one!.... |
That reminds me. It's been a while so does anyone need their bindings moving or a 3 degree side angle cutting??????
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stoatsbrother, only too well...
Hurtle, pomp and arrogance in a post aren't the programme here - I do those with the best of 'em. What I don't like is schoolboy retorts and flouncings off when views are questioned.
veeeight,
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Get it all out now gents. Then we can move on.
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With a comment like that, are you sure you're really ready yet?
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Hurtle, correct the first punctuation error? And of course I am always right - except when you are.
veeeight, I tend to stay away from posting on this area of the forum partly because I am a fairly average skier who knows knows almost nothing about communicating technique, but also because a few here treat things as though there is only one true way to ski properly and are pretty brutal about it. I think slikedges made a good point - this is a web-forum for amateurs to talk BS. All you have to do is counter rubbish where you see it, accept different but valid opinions and move on. When I realise I post condescending tosh, I try and apologise. Don't make this about us.
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