 Poster: A snowHead
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came across this nice visualisation aid over on DCski:
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Skiing Myth #2 - We no longer pole plant in modern technique
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| There's an old rule that can help: when in doubt, PLANT YOUR POLE. With commitment. As an old Austrian instructor once told me, "Eef you plant ze pole, YOU VILL TURN." If you get thrown off balance, planting the pole can get you back in action. Keep planting your poles, no matter what, no matter how hard you have to fight at times, and you will make it. Or fall trying. It can help to yell "POLE" with each pole plant, shouting it out from deep down in your belly, the way karate experts yell when they break things. If the word comes from high in your throat, and has a question mark on it, you can expect to die! - Bob Barnes |
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Well, I don't know about 60 degrees but then I wouldn't be one for measuring it anyway...
but at those kind of angles, or rather anything about 45 plus, you'll be jockeying in your boots and ready for a good edge set, reach out and plant and get them round. The plant becomes the trigger to turn or rather, jump. You will not be jumping 180 rather let the tips go, jump up and catch the turn on landing. Without a jump, I'd expect the skier would get way too much speed on that type of angle ...that you really don't want or need.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I am wondering if the habitual pole plant, on all bar very steep or bumpy pistes, is a thing of the past.
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My question really refers to normal piste skiing
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
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I am wondering if the habitual pole plant, on all bar very steep or bumpy pistes, is a thing of the past.
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My question really refers to normal piste skiing |
I think to make some things ingrained and automatic you should do them as often as you can, even if not strictly necessary all the time. I don't have a particularly effective pole plant in some situations, and I think part of that problem is that for too long when normal piste skiing I didn't use the dang things at all. I'm trying to use the poles more and more, but it takes a bit of concentration. One day it will be instinctive and I'll know I've cracked the problem.
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comprex, nice branches! Guess he'd told his mates he didn't need poles.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
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I am wondering if the habitual pole plant, on all bar very steep or bumpy pistes, is a thing of the past.
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My question really refers to normal piste skiing |
But then, how would the peep ever learn/practice to pole plant needed for the "abnormal" (steep or bumpy) pistes?
Isn't it a bit like saying parallel turn is the thing of the past for wide flat blue runs? You can surely get down with a snow plow etc...
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veeeight, I don't think that we actually disagree. I just don't like skiers to rely on the pole plant when we're out skiing most terrain, instead focusing on learning to generate the movements necessary from the feet and legs, adding poles for timing and stabilization only as needed (which, for most skiers, is much rarer than they think!).
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| ssh wrote: |
| veeeight, I don't think that we actually disagree. I just don't like skiers to rely on the pole plant when we're out skiing most terrain, instead focusing on learning to generate the movements necessary from the feet and legs, adding poles for timing and stabilization only as needed (which, for most skiers, is much rarer than they think!). |
ssh, chicken and egg: that 'as needed' hinges on the knowledge of when the generated movements are likely to fail, which begs the question of why are they likely to fail?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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comprex, I agree, I think. But, I think it's more likely that skiers will use poles as crutches than it is that they will never learn to use them if they don't start with them. It seems more difficult to break skiers of the misuse than it is to add the correct use into skiing.
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I don't know why it is, but I always feel safer if I've got my poles. Though I guess I should be capable of getting down my slope without them and indeed I can when I'm doing exercises with them - it must be phsycological
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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And notice how much Bodes boots allow him to lean when standing 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I don't know why it is, but I always feel safer if I've got my poles. Though I guess I should be capable of getting down my slope without them and indeed I can when I'm doing exercises with them - it must be psychological |
Not necessarily! They certainly help with balance, and having the additional points of contact with the snow can be additional aids to balance and movement.
Of course, if all the slopes are as crowded as the one I saw in your video, they may also come in handy for keeping others from running over you! 
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