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I can't seem to find the off-piste routes on Strava that were on fat map. If you specify "backcountry skiing" a very few come up (mostly or entirely touring routes) but, for example in Alagna there were at least 30 routes there, and they just aren't there now. Or am I looking in the wrong place?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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That's it, I'm rage quitting Strava. It's naff anyway but I'm even more disillusioned now. From what I can tell they've no intention of integrating all of Fatmaps features so they've basically destroyed the only app that did what Fatmap did, as far as I can tell
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think this provides a bit of context.
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| Such omissions will render Fatmap useless for those who use it to navigate remote terrain, or for those trying to figure out whether to attempt a particular ski slope. |
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| Layne wrote: |
I think this provides a bit of context.
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| Such omissions will render Fatmap useless for those who use it to navigate remote terrain, or for those trying to figure out whether to attempt a particular ski slope. |
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Thanks for this! It's more detailed than the responses I'm getting from Strava support (which is essentially just copy pasting bits from the FAQ on the subject)
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@STyler, just out of interest are you a Premium Strava subscriber?
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I was but I cancelled it recently as I didn't find the premium features all that useful. I'd sign back up for the Fatmap features alone. I was a premium Fatmap subscriber.
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@STyler, so hopefully the Strava powers that be will are working on a strategy to bring FatMap users like you
back into paying for Strava?
Mind you since when was logic part of a sensible business strategy 
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Outmap seems to be the best alternative I've found so far. While not as good as fatmap it's ok - 3d views, slope gradient/avalanche overlays, route planning with downloadable gpx.
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@weathercam true! From what I've read so far they've taken the bits they were most interested in (like flyover) and are considering the others but have no plans to implement anything more before this winter season or next years. So if it's not a priority and doesn't fall into the category of reasons they bought Fatmap in the first place, it's a punt if they'll invest in the dev work required
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@boarder2020, the avalanche overlay is what I like/want from an app, so i'll try Outmap.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@STyler, agreed. Can't see them bringing in a lot of the old stuff, it's simply too niche, the vast majority of Strava users aren't interested.
@swskier, yep, it's definitely less bells and whistles but seems like it has enough for planning tours. Like you, I've become accustomed to the avalanche overlay and find it particularly useful.
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You know it makes sense.
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That’s seriously annoying. All the freeride and ski touring routes have gone 
Thanks for writing in. Currently, there are no ski touring / freeride routes.
Bringing mapping technology from FATMAP to Strava continues to be a key priority for us. FATMAP's 3D map is already visible in Strava's Flyover feature, and now includes the ability to pause and modify flight speed. You can also see FATMAP's 3D map images in the Strava feed.
As we look ahead, we are in the process of integrating FATMAPs 3D map, including winter satellite maps and terrain tools, into other map screens within the Strava app and website.
In addition, FATMAP route content, excluding user-generated content, will be moved to Strava. We are currently working on the new home for these routes so they can be used seamlessly within the Strava app. Please note that you can also proactively transfer your routes on FATMAP to Strava before October 1st using our data tool here, which we encourage you to do.
Certain FATMAP features will not be available in Strava in time for the coming northern hemisphere winter including waypoints, personal guidebooks, national topo maps (including IGN and OS maps), offline map downloads of the FATMAP map and live snow and piste information. We are exploring adding these and similar features to Strava in the future.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@BobinCH, if it was such a priority it seems weird they haven't managed to do it. Also why close down fatmap before the product is actually working on Strava? I get the impression they just wanted the nice flyover 3d maps, ironically something I doubt most fatmap users were particularly interested in.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Anyone else tried Outmap and found it really hammers the CPU just viewing 3D maps? Only playing for about 5 minutes before noticing the fingers supporting the back of my phone were getting quite warm.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@BobinCH, “ offline map downloads of the FATMAP map ”….. another _really_ useful feature just binned. Think I’ll be adding my voice to the complaints team at Strava….. not that they’ll be listening. How frustrating.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Tried strava for a day and cancelled the trial. Gaia gps seems ok and relief maps seems to be ok too but not as good as FATMAP
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Had a quick play with this - looks just like Fatmap.... currently just has Norwegian data, but a plan to get the rest of Europe on by end 2024.
£25 for an annual subscription (Pledge on Kickstarter)... worth a punt.
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| hamilton wrote: |
Had a quick play with this - looks just like Fatmap.... currently just has Norwegian data, but a plan to get the rest of Europe on by end 2024.
£25 for an annual subscription (Pledge on Kickstarter)... worth a punt. |
RIP FatMap - did Strava free trial - not what I want and couldn’t find my past “adventures”.
Skida app however - it’s FatMap but without my data and waypoints - argh! All the topo is there and the 3d satellite overlay, many resort pistes but no routes yet. I’ll be signing up - it’s good enough even at the moment
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| hamilton wrote: |
Had a quick play with this - looks just like Fatmap.... currently just has Norwegian data, but a plan to get the rest of Europe on by end 2024.
£25 for an annual subscription (Pledge on Kickstarter)... worth a punt. |
Tempted just to put 2 fingers up at Strava 
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| Grinning wrote: |
| hamilton wrote: |
Had a quick play with this - looks just like Fatmap.... currently just has Norwegian data, but a plan to get the rest of Europe on by end 2024.
£25 for an annual subscription (Pledge on Kickstarter)... worth a punt. |
RIP FatMap - did Strava free trial - not what I want and couldn’t find my past “adventures”.
Skida app however - it’s FatMap but without my data and waypoints - argh! All the topo is there and the 3d satellite overlay, many resort pistes but no routes yet. I’ll be signing up - it’s good enough even at the moment |
Thank you for supporting our campaign.
We are rapidly moving towards the alps, and we have most of the French alps covered already. Italy coming very soon and Switzerland early December. We have the Topo maps ready as well, but have some technical difficulties with these still.
We are working on a project for auto/semi automatic routing in the Mountains, we have that in Beta as well, but probably wont be production ready before sometime next year (autumn ish). Integration with Garmin, Polar etc. is also in our plans, but first things first.
b.r.
Bjarte - Founder of Skida
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Well spotted!!
Yes, it's there on iOS, and we're testing the Android version at the moment.
Please reach out if you have any ideas or feedback for us
b.r.
Bjarte
Founder of Skida
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Well spotted!!
Yes, it's there on iOS, and we're testing the Android version at the moment.
Please reach out if you have any ideas or feedback for us
b.r.
Bjarte
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That's brilliant - it's great to have direct feedback to app developers so you can suggest additions/improvements/bug-fixes
AlpineQuest mapping app is similar with a very proactive developer - François has implemented a number of suggestions I've made into AQ 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@bjarteo, welcome to snowHeads. Just waiting on the android version.
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Really disappointed in Strava. Good luck to the companies developing Fat Maps type mapping. I really don’t get their logic of buying FMs, taking it away and then opening the door to competitors
One thing I will miss from FMs is the ability to see off piste and touring routes in ski areas. Is there another platform that has extensive routes?
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You know it makes sense.
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Really disappointed in Strava. Good luck to the companies developing Fat Maps type mapping. I really don’t get their logic of buying FMs, taking it away and then opening the door to competitors
One thing I will miss from FMs is the ability to see off piste and touring routes in ski areas. Is there another platform that has extensive routes? |
We'll be providing the routes from Swisstopo/PetzlFoundation and Skitourenguru in addition to our own in the Alps. Looking at what we have published so far in the French alps, I would say we have OK coverage for touring routes near Ski areas. I'm not aware of any platform providing other routes.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@brownie, Outdooractive has touring, backcountry descents, and pisted runs marked if you toggle ‘winter activities’. Think this may only be with subscription (but worth having as gives topo maps for all the interesting countries…)
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Poster: A snowHead
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| brownie wrote: |
Really disappointed in Strava. Good luck to the companies developing Fat Maps type mapping. I really don’t get their logic of buying FMs, taking it away and then opening the door to competitors
One thing I will miss from FMs is the ability to see off piste and touring routes in ski areas. Is there another platform that has extensive routes? |
We'll be providing the routes from Swisstopo/PetzlFoundation and Skitourenguru in addition to our own in the Alps. Looking at what we have published so far in the French alps, I would say we have OK coverage for touring routes near Ski areas. I'm not aware of any platform providing other routes. |
Thanks! Will check out your kickstarter
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Inboard wrote: |
| @brownie, Outdooractive has touring, backcountry descents, and pisted runs marked if you toggle ‘winter activities’. Think this may only be with subscription (but worth having as gives topo maps for all the interesting countries…) |
Had a look at Chamonix and there is not much there in terms of tours and nothing for backcountry skiiing. Not sure if it’s because I’ve not subscribed
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@brownie, outdooactove definitely not as good as fatmap was - it’s just a simple overlay, you can’t see what route names are etc. photo of top of Grands Montets for illustration with winter activities layer activated
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@brownie, outdooactove definitely not as good as fatmap was - it’s just a simple overlay, you can’t see what route names are etc. photo of top of Grands Montets for illustration with winter activities layer activated
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You could also try using AlpineQuest with the OSM Winter Slopes layer loaded for a similar display
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If you search for an off piste route and the word strava you can find something like the picture here - Which has some info and is potentially useful - Does anyone know how you can search all such routes, and potentially navigate / view in 3D etc?
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@pisteoff, that’s very helpful but nowhere as useful as FatMap rip. Best thing was navigating the 3d topo with routes overlaid in blue and clicking on the route to reveal the route description etc. still exploring Skida.
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Skida just released the android app.
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I was thinking about this thread earlier, and thought back to the Cody Townsend The Fifty project where he was using OnX backcountry.
https://www.onxmaps.com/backcountry/app
Has anyone used that?
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@swskier, I’ve played around with it, lots of great features and it would be great if they got European topo map licences.
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