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@Belch, as the brawl was in the US it's surprising that nobody was carrying a gun and used it! 
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| zikomo wrote: |
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| No, bugger off |
What a strange, rude, and immature post |
It's the usual reply I'd expect if you're not in the SH elite clic club with a post count north of a million.
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Nearly, but not quite.
Out of control boarder in a slow zone (in Val Thorens) nearly took out a group lesson of 5/6 year olds when he lost control. I had just dropped my son in that group. Fortunately, he didn’t hit anyone but it was mighty close and he fell. The instructor, a very small man, was remonstrating with him vigorously but the guy just took off his board, got up and made to walk to the nearest lift. At this point I intervened … snatched the board away … expressed my displeasure … and he got very aggressive and threatened to punch me. I said words to the effect of ‘feel free to try’ and told him I’d deposit his board at the ski school and he could collect it the following day.
There was a moment when I thought he would start but I was so incensed that I actually rather hoped he would so I’d have an excuse to hit him. I guess he realised that as he backed down, swore a lot and walked off.
I admit this makes me sound rather aggressive … and I’m not at all normally … but I was so hyped up at the near miss on my son that I reacted. This is the closest I’ve ever been to a fight on a ski slope and I’ve never seen one. As others have pointed out I think most people, including me, are pretty happy and friendly when on the slopes.
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Had a few exchanges of views on the slopes, no fists. A colleague got a very stern telling off from an elderly French woman for being a dangerous fool and it was totally deserved.
However, just to indulge the OP, I did see a rather large brawl in Tignes at the Tufs lift queue. It was late in the day, pretty close to closing time for the lift. There was an orderly but lengthy queue for the lift. A group of a dozen skiers tried their luck jumping the queue, this sparked mayhem and a full on Western saloon style fist fight broke out. My buddy started trading punches with another guy, at this point I noticed that nobody was getting on the lift. I grabbed my mate, pulled him off his assailant and we hopped on the lift.
Better to be a lover than a fighter.
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Had a French guy try to pick a fight with me for throwing up too much spring spray off my Directors. I pointed out it wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't so close behind me.
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I got a hand job behind the snowmaking shed once
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| hang11 wrote: |
| I got a hand job behind the snowmaking shed once |
Surely a typo in your username then?
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Chatel a few years ago. Four of us in our group. Three guys, one girl. All snowboarders.
We're riding down a slope and the girl in our group approaches a female beginner skier on a lesson with an instructor. My friend slows right down to gauge where they're going to go, waits a few seconds then heads off in a direction to avoid the beginner. Unfortunately the beginner abruptly changes the direction she was going in and my friend and her collide at very slow speed. No real issue, they both pick themselves up and all's fine.
Out of the blue, the beginner's husband/ partner arrives on the scene and starts manhandling my female friend, screaming and shouting at her. Unfortunately I'm about 150m down the slope so can't get involved.
Unbeknown to the guy who's kicked off, one of our other riding companions who's a 6ft 5 former Royal Marine is just above the incident. He calmly slides down, grabs the guy and quickly deals with him. I've never seen anyone go from Mr hard man screaming at a woman to being absolutely terrified at the sight of my mate looming above him.
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Recently on a very well known 50year old beginners resort in Carinthia Austria - a training/beginners blue run with only a t-bar drag lift. single file Q for it. maybe 20people at a push in single file. some were going up in pairs, some were not.
My wife who hadn't skied for over 2years and only had maybe 4weeks on real snow behind her not unsurprisingly wanted to be on the drag lift on her todd - not even me with her.. and certainly not on the "wrong" side for exit at the top.... Not unreasonable given kids were on their own more often than not and the odd wobbly adult...
... enter a "local" who has been skiing in Austria for 39years no less.. Q jumped about 5 of us, skidded to a halt next to my wife so she's now on the "wrong" side for the exit at the top. She's now waving her arms and poles and asking / rather shouting No, Nein.. the t-bar arrives and the lifty tries to help place... wife is now slipping all over the place.. pings off the side of the t-bar and the local is now merrily on his way all his HIS todd. shaking his head and wafting his arms about like what the Eff was that all about.
Wife composes herself and is on the very next t-bar.. I'm further down the Q.. but i catch up with him at the top and basically gave him a piece of my mind about treating people especially beginners with more respect.. then he's coming back with how long he's skied in Austria and its normal to double up. There's normal in my eyes and then there's Q jumping and not even giving the person the time to refuse / oblige.
Was "I" out of order for chasing him down and giving him a piece of my mind - or him ? I'm normally so laid back but the red mist came down and i was fuming by the time i got to the top. Wife said it was amazing and called me her knight in shining armour - she'd never seen me defend "her honour" in 15years. is that good or bad ? lol. Anyway did i overstep the mark by ranting in the face of this "local" with 39years years skiing experience in Austria ... big whoop  Oh and she's not been skiing for 2 years because she knackered her knee ligaments on the very same slope...so now wears a knee brace hence i was rather protective when in the kerfuffle she's falling off the t-bar because of a q jumper.
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@Cosmosblue, normally I'd say tough titty, if there's a queue of any reasonable size people should expect to not ride solo. But on a beginner drag serving exclusively beginner terrain it doesn't sound reasonable to bully a beginner off the lift, particularly as they have to learn somewhere.
I do object to being told that people need the chair to themselves when I join it as a single when it is not the bunny slope chair. Onus is on them to learn chairlift confidence in a more protected place.
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No but a german did swear with expletives at us about brexit in about 2016. I was in a group christian children doing lessons. not a great experience. also on that trip someone feel over my skis as i was doing 1mph and caused himself a great injury. i was snowploughing in a long line doing irish aeroplanes or something.
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I have a real problem with folk in rental skis, skiing over or deliberately standing on my tips or tails in lift queues, there really is not a need! Really boils my wee wee and I tend to let folk know in a broad's scot's accent of my irritation. Sometimes this involves an elbow or the tip of a pole.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Cosmosblue wrote: |
| ... Q jumped about 5 of us, skidded to a halt next to my wife so she's now on the "wrong" side for the exit at the top. She's now waving her arms and poles and asking / rather shouting No, Nein.. the t-bar arrives and the lifty tries to help place... wife is now slipping all over the place.. pings off the side of the t-bar and the local is now merrily on his way all his HIS todd. shaking his head and wafting his arms about like what the Eff was that all about. |
Sounds like an over-reaction to me. I'd not jump in on a novice, but I'd also not "chase people down" or get "red mist". All that's very uncool.
If your partner didn't want to share a lift, she just had to step aside.
I'm a competent snowboarder, and yet sometimes folk on T-bars will refuse to take the lift with me even when there's a queue.
I could take offence, but I just assume they're incompetent and let them be. No drama needed.
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I do think i overreacted - hence why i asked if i was in the wrong. felt silly that evening, but also i felt that i wanted to say something to him so he thinks about beginners more. It was a beginner slope with kids so no idea why he was so urgently in need of using it and queue jumping, having skied for 39years (he was on his own). Wife tried to say no, but everything all happened at once and got tangled as he was literally pushing her sideways to get the liftman to hurry up. I stand by my decision to have words but on reflection probably not heated.. i was probably heightened because she's been out for 2 years with this ACL injury and this was literally the 2nd day back on snow... I'd normally leave her to fend for herself hence why she commented about my actions  ... but you live and learn.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Cosmosblue, As you used words rather than any violence and I don't think you need to feel any embarrassment. Of course your wife could have just stepped aside (if she had the ability to do so) but she was clearly unnerved and it is something that any decent thoughtful person should have considered at that stage prior to jumping on in the way you describe. Defending those we love is nothing to admonish yourself about IMO.
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| Legend. wrote: |
| @Cosmosblue, As you used words rather than any violence and I don't think you need to feel any embarrassment. Of course your wife could have just stepped aside (if she had the ability to do so) but she was clearly unnerved and it is something that any decent thoughtful person should have considered at that stage prior to jumping on in the way you describe. Defending those we love is nothing to admonish yourself about IMO. |
+1
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@Bob,
I guess that's what happens if you're on a board and the chap in front shuts the door and you haven't got poles to click.
Probably both equally at fault front guy for shutting the door rear guy for not warning.
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| T Bar wrote: |
@Bob,
I guess that's what happens if you're on a board and the chap in front shuts the door and you haven't got poles to click.
Probably both equally at fault front guy for shutting the door rear guy for not warning. |
hmm, clear slope with good visibility, steady consistent turns from the rider down hill on a narrow slope vs speed and inability to turn (cos he doesn't have poles).
sorry no the uphill rider ****ed up.
As Basil Fawlty would say 'it's bleeding Obvious'
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@Bob,
He certainly wasn't perfect but once you get the door shut like that it can be tough, if he was a skier he'd probably have avoided the crash with a couple of pole clicks.
Lower skier should probably have had a bit better situational awareness.
Hope they weren't hurt and they both learn from it.
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Skier turned to cut the boarder off on purpose, 100% skiers fault. Anyway, it's irrelevant seeing as FIS rules state that the faster slope user has priority.
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@Thomasski,
eh?
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the faster slope user has priority
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eh again?
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| Hurtle wrote: |
@Thomasski,
eh?
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the faster slope user has priority
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eh again? |
I presume @Thomasski is being tongue in cheek....
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| Thomasski wrote: |
| Skier turned to cut the boarder off on purpose, 100% skiers fault. Anyway, it's irrelevant seeing as FIS rules state that the faster slope user has priority. |
Skier turned because he had reached the edge of the groomed piste.
Unlikely that hwe saw the uphill rider coming due to line and speed.
FIS rules as I recall, nothing about faster has right of way....(may be you are confusing formula 1 or fast and furious with skiing..
The FIS rules are comparable to international road traffic regulations. Every skier and snowboarder should be aware of these FIS rules in order to protect yourself and others from potential dangers and to avoid accidents on ski slopes.
1. Respect for others
A skier or snowboarder must behave in such a way that he does not endanger or prejudice others.
2. Control of speed and skiing or snowboarding
A skier or snowboarder must move in control. He must adapt his speed and manner of skiing or snowboarding to his personal ability and to the prevailing conditions of terrain, snow and weather as well as to the density of traffic.
3. Choice of route
A skier or snowboarder coming from behind must choose his route in such a way that he does not endanger skiers or snowboarders ahead.
4. Overtaking
A skier or snowboarder may overtake another skier or snowboarder above or below and to the right or to the left provided that he leaves enough space for the overtaken skier or snowboarder to make any voluntary or involuntary movement.
5. Entering, starting and moving upwards
A skier or snowboarder entering a marked run, starting again after stopping or moving upwards on the slopes must look up and down the slopes that he can do so without endangering himself or others.
6. Stopping on the piste
Unless absolutely necessary, a skier or snowboarder must avoid stopping on the piste in narrow places or where visibility is restricted. After a fall in such a place, a skier or snowboarder must move clear of the piste as soon as possible.
7. Climbing and descending on foot
A skier or snowboarder either climbing or descending on foot must keep to the side of the piste.
8. Respect for signs and markings
A skier or snowboarder must respect all signs and markings.
9. Assistance
At accidents, every skier or snowboarder is duty bound to assist.
10. Identification
Every skier or snowboarder and witness, whether a responsible party or not, must exchange names and addresses following an accident.
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| Hurtle wrote: |
@Thomasski,
eh?
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the faster slope user has priority
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eh again? |
I presume @Thomasski is being tongue in cheek.... |
Oops, silly me. 
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| Hurtle wrote: |
@Thomasski,
eh?
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the faster slope user has priority
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eh again? |
I presume @Thomasski is being tongue in cheek.... |
Indeed, I think there has been enough 'fault' discussion recently!
Maybe snowheads needs a new subforum: The high court of slope justice where people can submit their cases to the grand jury.
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@Bob, Clearly the skier disobeyed rule1
.No respect for the boarder poor situational awareness and cut them up. All the rules have to be obeyed and rule 2 was flouted.
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You know it makes sense.
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| T Bar wrote: |
@Bob,
He certainly wasn't perfect but once you get the door shut like that it can be tough, if he was a skier he'd probably have avoided the crash with a couple of pole clicks.
Lower skier should probably have had a bit better situational awareness.
Hope they weren't hurt and they both learn from it. |
No way!
it was an almost empty piste and I don't think the skier did anything remotely wrong. Not a thing, There was a massive open piste the otherside and if the boarder couldn't make use of it then he was travelling WAY WAY faster than his skills permit. and it's not even as if that bank was a brick wall or a cliff - he could have left the piste. Totally reckless and incompetent in my book.
and pole clicks woulnt have worked at that closing speed - you'd have needed a massive siren!
There are cases where "closing the door" is unwise/thoughtless - a much busier piste for example - but this isn't close.
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Not quite on the slopes, but in a bar in Soll a few years ago, a drunken Scot (after watching the Scots lose in the 6-Nations), booed the UK National anthem for the following England-Wales match and was politely asked by the South African Barman to stop as it was disrespectful.
Seconds later said Scot rushed from his seat, fell down the step into the bar area, cracked his head on a corner of the bar and then attacked the Barman. Suffice to say the Scot didn't win. Staff then pulled the Scot away and ejected him.
Not 10 minutes later, the Scot ran back into the Bar covered in blood and started attacking the Barman again. The Scot didn't win. Again. The most astonishing fight I've seen - even if it was quite shocking to see a drunk middle-aged man try to beat up a tall, fitter and younger South African.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My son nearly got into a fight in the Folie Douce in Val d' Isere when a city boy with 5 drunken mates purposely swilled a pint over his brothers girlfriend and then got all aggressive with her after one of them put a drink on the table she was dancing on and it got knocked over.. It was just about to kick off (they fancied 6 onto 1) when the brother came back from the bar. They all ran away never to be seen again. Some right funny fellows about
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The "tech" blokes in the ski hire shops could sometimes do with a good slap, numerous times in my younger years have the buffoons mucked up the one thing they needed to do (set up your bindings), they have left the locking bars undone, adjusted the length between the front and rear different on each ski, the DIN adjusters left in random positions etc. I'm so glad I learnt to do it all myself and bought my own skis.
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I'm not really built for a fist fight, but my basilisk stare and a carefully worded threat of legal action usually work OK. Unfortunately, the only foreign language in which I can deploy the latter is French.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| My son nearly got into a fight in the Folie Douce |
Anyone thinking of going to a bar called La Folie Douce should check the translation first. They all have the same reputation for a reason.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| I'm not really built for a fist fight, but my basilisk stare and a carefully worded threat of legal action usually work OK. Unfortunately, the only foreign language in which I can deploy the latter is French. |
I definitely wouldn't want to be on your wrong side
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@Frosty the Snowman, x
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| I'm not really built for a fist fight, but my basilisk stare and a carefully worded threat of legal action usually work OK. Unfortunately, the only foreign language in which I can deploy the latter is French. |
What universal word or phrase to show deep displeasure came up as a topic this year for my group.
Having been cut-up in France, Austria, Switzerland, Italy and Spain, my natural go to is ‘Oi, you f’cking clown’.
I just can’t help but feel this sort of Britishism falls short with our European cousins. There should be a standard phrase used on the mountains; an international code for clown. This needs to be a priority for ski authorities.
Fights though? More should be encouraged from upper middle class snow sport’s enthusiasts. Giles and Henry, tearing it up in an aperol-fuelled duel; duckdown going everywhere, pinky rings as knuckle dusters, battle of the boarding schools. Gap in the market here.
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@Reezo, anything involving "putain" (F*ck) works well in France. Just the word itself as an exclamation, or as part of a phrase: "putain de merde" (f*cking poo-poo!) would go down well.
Obviously I can't guess what the reaction might be as I'm far to polite and easygoing to have ever used it 
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My tale(s) of extreme violence in ski resorts (for what it’s worth) . . 1 of 3
True Story No.1 - Alpe d'Heuz circa 2004/5
For whatever reason I'd witnessed blatant ski theft already on this trip - sitting at a bar in town (I cannot remember which) a white van pulled up and two guys simply and overtly 'emptied' the adjacent ski rack (in about 2mins) of everything and drove off! Incredible . . . . . . .
Anyway, this particular trip I had a brand new pair of Rossignol B2 Bandits hot from the factory; I was in my 'prime' at 32 yrs and with my first child imminent this was to be my last lads trip in a while. I was in a big queue for whatever bubble lift (4person max) and there was a guy helping people (who was not in uniform but seemed to be a liftie / helping the lifties) put their skis in the racks to presumably speed up the process / be helpful and keep the queue moving efficiently . . .or so I thought.
When I got to the front of the queue (I was on my own) three people got in before me and whilst he assisted the first he seemed to ignore the other two and made a beeline for me. With a smile he ‘grabbed’ by skis out of my hands (initially I assumed he was simply helping me) but then pushed me backwards as hard as he could into the bubble car (it was close to completing its circuit and the doors would be closing imminently) and I flew backwards into the bubble doorway. It became apparent that his plan was that I would be travelling upwards ‘sans skis’ and that he would be the proud new owner of a pair of B2’s . . .either that or he just didn’t like the look of my handsome face and felt I deserved knocking down a peg or two with my fancy new planks . . I will never actually know.
What neither he (nor myself for that matter) had considered was my apparent latent ninja capabilities and how quick your brain can work when under duress. I spread my arms as I ‘fell’ backwards (to stop myself falling in to the car) and in the same movement and with all my force ‘sprang’ back from the doorway with my right arm coiled to flatten him. Irrespective of his intentions I’m not the type to let randoms push me about for zero reason, let alone on a ski holiday ffs; they’re certainly not going to rob me in public (unless they’ve got a large knife / glock!) Tbf my punch was a little off target – it missed his chin and hit him in the upper chest; suffice to say at 6’1” and with a few feral teenage years of experience behind me it had the desired effect and he fell on his back bottom. I picked up my skis and stood over him shouting as many expletives as I could, much to the amusement / jeers of the pending queue. None of the ‘actual’ lifties did anything to either restrain him or placate me, so I simply and calmly put my skis in the next available bubble and travelled up solo. As the bubble travelled upwards I watched the offending felon slink off down the stairs past the queue. . . .never to be seen again!
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@Bluntski, putain actually means whore. But I agree it's a useful all-purpose kinda word.
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