@Snowysarah, Were your feet not flapping about in the shop? They can't have packed out that much in a couple of days skiing.
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@Snowysarah, I’m having a very similar experience to you with my new custom boots but in Ischgl.
Getting heel lift and even after fully cranking up the buckles on my slightly smaller foot side,they just don’t feel right.
Turning seems to taking a much larger effort than before the new boots. Even blue runs are tiring, also fed up as frustrated with whole boot thing.
Trying to get hold of Richard too.
Any recommendations for ski boot rental in Ischgl?
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Boots felt nice and tight when fitted but it feels like the liner has packed down in one day, which can’t be right.
They are intuition liners with the lace up tongue.
In my experience it depends how hard you are flexing. Mine were the same for two years sking dry slope weekly and blue groomed runs. Did red bumps a lot in Wengen at new year and went down nearly a notch on all buckles, they must have taken more if a beating in a few days than they did in all the time before that. Maybe the fresh snow has made you pack them out quicker than usual?
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@Snowysarah, Were your feet not flapping about in the shop? They can't have packed out that much in a couple of days skiing.
No that I noticed only noticed on first run
I am more sensitive to it cos Of ankle injury. I can’t run using ankle at all. Previous boots didn’t require me to put weight through ankle
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@Snowysarah, i have problems with my right ankle due to old injuries and use this device which includes both a heel wedge and fills space around ankle. It’s handy as I can transfer it across various pairs of boots. A boot fitter can also use wedges and inserts attached to your liner to create a similar effect
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@owlette
Thanks for checking up on me
After a lazy morning (complete white out) I have given up and hired some boots based on advice. Nordica
Yes they are tight and painful on my calves when not skiing BUT I CAN SKI AGAIN. Turning on my edges, feeling at one with my ski. Back to normal. Happily whizzing down reds in a blizzard when i couldn’t even do a green yesterday
I am abandoning my boots for the week and will reassess when back.
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Snowysarah wrote:
Mother hucker wrote:
@Snowysarah, Were your feet not flapping about in the shop? They can't have packed out that much in a couple of days skiing.
No that I noticed only noticed on first run
I am more sensitive to it cos Of ankle injury. I can’t run using ankle at all. Previous boots didn’t require me to put weight through ankle
When you had your boots fitted, was a heel wedge fitted?
It’s the only thing I can think which has made my skiing more difficult as using more forefoot than previously to turn but for some reason the new boots make holding an edge on hardpack much harder!
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After a lazy morning (complete white out) I have given up and hired some boots based on advice. Nordica
Yes they are tight and painful on my calves when not skiing BUT I CAN SKI AGAIN. Turning on my edges, feeling at one with my ski. Back to normal. Happily whizzing down reds in a blizzard when i couldn’t even do a green yesterday
I am abandoning my boots for the week and will reassess when back.
Sounds like a good plan and it's great to hear you're back on the slopes and enjoying yourself.
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Snowysarah wrote:
@owlette
Thanks for checking up on me
After a lazy morning (complete white out) I have given up and hired some boots based on advice. Nordica
Yes they are tight and painful on my calves when not skiing BUT I CAN SKI AGAIN. Turning on my edges, feeling at one with my ski. Back to normal. Happily whizzing down reds in a blizzard when i couldn’t even do a green yesterday
I am abandoning my boots for the week and will reassess when back.
Lucky you!
I tried to get rental boots but none fitted due to my high instep and narrow heel, CEM described them as lunchbreak feet, as in he should have been on a lunch break when I turned up!
Almost went down the new boots route but at £520, I bailed!
The boot fitter at Sport Adler then kindly put some extra foam around my liner heels, so I’m hoping it might give me some help.
Not a happy bunny at all!
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Snowysarah wrote:
Mother hucker wrote:
@Snowysarah, Were your feet not flapping about in the shop? They can't have packed out that much in a couple of days skiing.
No that I noticed only noticed on first run
I am more sensitive to it cos Of ankle injury. I can’t run using ankle at all. Previous boots didn’t require me to put weight through ankle
When you had your boots fitted, was a heel wedge fitted?
It’s the only thing I can think which has made my skiing more difficult as using more forefoot than previously to turn but for some reason the new boots make holding an edge on hardpack much harder!
Yes there is an orthotic under the heel. It’s not massive but it’s there
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@Snowysarah, glad you have sorted something and enjoying your holiday again! Hope you manage to sort your Daleboots. Ours have just been so fantastic (since 2010) that I really hope you can get to the same level of success with them. Relax and enjoy your trip now.
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2planks wrote:
Snowysarah wrote:
@owlette
Thanks for checking up on me
After a lazy morning (complete white out) I have given up and hired some boots based on advice. Nordica
Yes they are tight and painful on my calves when not skiing BUT I CAN SKI AGAIN. Turning on my edges, feeling at one with my ski. Back to normal. Happily whizzing down reds in a blizzard when i couldn’t even do a green yesterday
I am abandoning my boots for the week and will reassess when back.
Lucky you!
I tried to get rental boots but none fitted due to my high instep and narrow heel, CEM described them as lunchbreak feet, as in he should have been on a lunch break when I turned up!
Almost went down the new boots route but at £520, I bailed!
The boot fitter at Sport Adler then kindly put some extra foam around my liner heels, so I’m hoping it might give me some help.
Not a happy bunny at all!
I’m so sorry to hear this!
My shell is a whole size bigger than my hire and old boots. So much room. I tried the fitter at Mattis sport CEM recommended but he said the shell was too big for the liner and he didn’t want to muck around with it as might invalidate
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It’s quite odd, that two of us have similar issues this week, I really can’t see how it can be fixed as like you, the boot feels big.
Will persevere tomorrow
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@Snowysarah, Glad you're feeling brighter today, and that you managed to get some hire boots that are working for you, calf pain aside. Hope you get some fantastic skiing in now.
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2planks wrote:
It’s quite odd, that two of us have similar issues this week, I really can’t see how it can be fixed as like you, the boot feels big.
Will persevere tomorrow
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@2planks, I had an issue with ski boots in Ischgl a few years ago. I was told to go to Bruendl Sports (opposite the Kitzloch and gondola station) as they were the best boot fitters in town. They were certainly helpful to me (though it was a minor problem a simple bit of boot stretching)
@2planks, I had an issue with ski boots in Ischgl a few years ago. I was told to go to Bruendl Sports (opposite the Kitzloch and gondola station) as they were the best boot fitters in town. They were certainly helpful to me (though it was a minor problem a simple bit of boot stretching)
Thanks went to Sport Adler, who have put some foam around the liner heel area, will see how it goes today.
Question for the experts, my old boots did not have any heel wedges installed, new boots do, apparently due to my poor ankle dorsiflexion.
Could this be the cause of the lack of feeling of my skis which I never had with my old boots?
Or is that Daleboots are much softer than my old boots ?
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2planks wrote:
my old boots did not have any heel wedges installed, new boots do, apparently due to my poor ankle dorsiflexion.
Sounds to me like boot fit is your main problem, but to answer your question about heel wedges…
Some bindings position the heel of the boot higher than others (binding delta). If you have a binding that lifts the heel of the boot unusually high and you use it with a boot with an added wedge (heel lift), the end result can make you very heel high - which makes it difficult to position your weight correctly over the ski.
Normally I would suggest removing the inside boot wedge (heel lift) as a temporary experiment - but I think in your case that will give you even more excess volume around your heel.
I have poor dorsiflexion in one ankle, it took me a while experimenting with different sizes of heel lift and different binding deltas to find the right combination for me.
@Oceanic, you are talking about two completely different things
a lift inside the boot will open the ankle joint thus allowing for more dorsiflexion where there is a limitation in ankle joint ROM, the heel to toe differential of the binding (delta) will tip the whole skier boot and all into a more forward position, often too much Delta will cause the skier to sit back (body trying to stay in balance)
what sounds to be going on in the case of the opening poster is there is volume around the ankles..... the daleboot works a little differently from a conventional boot and thus doesnt have a conventional shell check, this is sometimes the problem when a fitter who doesn't understand how it works can state that it looks too big..... in the fitting of a daleboot (and this is not my specialist subject) the heel instep perimeter is one of the leading measurements, that and their shell sizing doesn't follow normal mondopoint 10mm size breaks due to being in USA sizing
If someone has a problem with ANY boot the solution is to discuss the problems with the fitter that supplied them, there are a lot of people on this thread and by all accounts in a few shops out there who don't understand fully how that particular boot works... we see this all the time, people come in wanting an aggressive performance fit and when they get that they cant tolerate it, yet when you relax the fit the shell check immediately goes up and they are out with a micrometer to declare a boot too big, what people need to remember is that unless it is your foot in the boot and you were present at the time of the fitting it is very difficult to accurately comment on why a decision was made with regards to a boot size, shape, flex or any other part of the fit
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I always think boot fitting is a two way process. An experienced fitter like CEM is critical, but it also important that the person being fitted has some understanding of the various parameters at play and what makes a good fit. The fitter will explain all this during the fitting session but it also pays to do your home work in advance.
Prior to my wife getting fitted for a new set of boots I got her to listen to the excellent skiing podcast episode on boot fitting with none other than CEM. Although a very good skier on and off piste, she isn't into the equipment side of the sport and had her previous boots for years. She found the episode incredibly useful and then knew the feedback the fitter needed during the fitting process and also made her ask the right questions on adapting the fit to her needs.
@2planks, I had an issue with ski boots in Ischgl a few years ago. I was told to go to Bruendl Sports (opposite the Kitzloch and gondola station) as they were the best boot fitters in town. They were certainly helpful to me (though it was a minor problem a simple bit of boot stretching)
Thanks went to Sport Adler, who have put some foam around the liner heel area, will see how it goes today.
Question for the experts, my old boots did not have any heel wedges installed, new boots do, apparently due to my poor ankle dorsiflexion.
Could this be the cause of the lack of feeling of my skis which I never had with my old boots?
Or is that Daleboots are much softer than my old boots ?
We are in Ischgl this week. Ms On the rocks needed new boots as her old ones broke while packing. We found the “boot fitter” at Sport Adler very disappointing. (The other staff running ski rental are very good) However the fitter at Brundl Sport was excellent, they have all the gear for scanning feet etc. Ms On the rocks is very pleased with her new boots
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@Oceanic, you are talking about two completely different things
a lift inside the boot will open the ankle joint thus allowing for more dorsiflexion where there is a limitation in ankle joint ROM, the heel to toe differential of the binding (delta) will tip the whole skier boot and all into a more forward position, often too much Delta will cause the skier to sit back (body trying to stay in balance)
I know you have done the CPed qualification and have a lot of experience, I respect your opinions and am always interested to hear what you have to say.
I’m not anti heel lifts / wedges. I think they are usually the answer for skiers with limited dorsiflexion.
The point I made above is that a heel lift / wedge can cause people to ski in the back seat when combined with a binding with higher than average delta.
Video of a Physiotherapist and Ski Instructor explaining why she believes that heel lifts inside boots can sometimes cause skiers to ski in the back seat (5 mins in after a discussion of boot flex).
I agree with you that space round the ankle is probably the problem for Sarah (The OP).
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@Oceanic, she is missing the point somewhat, heel lifts should only be used when someone has limited flexion and only just enough to bring the ground up to meet the heel, the exaggerated heel in her shoes is nothing like what would be used in a ski boot where 3-9mm is normally all that is ever used..... whilst she says "if it is not working for you remove it" the trouble is a lot of people have a heel lift for the wrong reasons (to lift the calf out of the boot, to take the toes off the end of the boot etc) they are treated like paracetamol by too many boot fitters. the key is to treat the cause not the symptoms.
we ran a poll of a load of boot fitters in a facebook group and it would suggest that for the specialist fitters around 60% of the people we see have limited dorsiflexion and need this corrected/accommodated with some form of lift, whereas for the more generalist fitters the number that they claimed to see was around 20% now form this you can work one of two things, either the generalists are simply not assessing ankle joint ROM or the people are working out that they have a problem and seeing the specialists to try and resolve it
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or the people are working out that they have a problem and seeing the specialists to try and resolve it
that seems unlikely!
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or the people are working out that they have a problem and seeing the specialists to try and resolve it
that seems unlikely!
100% agree, if something isn't being assessed then it is only a problem when its problem
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I’m not sure. Surely people with unusual or problematic feet or ankles would seek out a specialist fitter to adapt boots to them? I need a 20mm heel lift in one boot to compensate for very limited dorsal flexion caused by bone callous from a nasty fracture
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I’m not sure. Surely people with unusual or problematic feet or ankles would seek out a specialist fitter to adapt boots to them? I need a 20mm heel lift in one boot to compensate for very limited dorsal flexion caused by bone callous from a nasty fracture
I regularly see people with 'unusual or problematic feet or ankles' who aren't actually aware that they are unusual or an actual problem, it's normal for them.
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Snowysarah, I have big enough feet with a very high instep and fallen arches! I find head brand boots serve me well. Hope you get the boots you want.
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My son is a very good skier and a pretty good boarder. In fresh soft snow he will always take the board, off piste as much as possible, but on hard icy days, always the skis. It's good to be able to do both. I snowboarded a bit, and had some lessons, starting with "learn to snowboard in a day" at Hemel, which was absolutely knackering (I must have been about 60). Enjoyed what I did, which wasn't a lot, but it helps to understand the way the world works for boarders. And I used to give boarders a tow across some flat bits sometimes - but I don't have the cardiovascular capacity to skate and pull a boarder now.
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So skied today with the additional foam round the heel, result on blues back to normal, aggressive on reds found slight issues but 100% better than yesterday, thank goodness! Almost back to normal!
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It's very easy to take comfortable, well fitting boots for granted. The pain that can be caused is both frustrating and debilitating.
Uncomfortable boots can certainly ruin your holiday.....and that is all the worse if you've had reasonably comfortable boots replaced by expensive instruments of torture.
The last properly fitted (in theory) boots I had were from "Au Vieux Campeur" in Albertville. They were mostly fine, once on. But getting them on was a mission and getting them off worse. One day I had terribly pain in one foot going up a long drag lift. Had to take boot off at the top and massage my foot with effort not to put it down in the snow.
Happily someone I knew came along and propped me up.....I could be in tears, after a long day, desperate to get the effing things off and go and put my feet up and have a cup of tea. In the end I sold them and idly tried on, one day, a pair in Decathlon. Off the shelf. They were pretty basic and inexpensive (Head Cube 3), they felt snug on my feet and, best of all, I could get them off. I've had them for a few years now and they've been good. They will never enable me to ski like a Goddess but they're not the only thing stopping me.
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It's very easy to take comfortable, well fitting boots for granted. The pain that can be caused is both frustrating and debilitating.
Uncomfortable boots can certainly ruin your holiday.....and that is all the worse if you've had reasonably comfortable boots replaced by expensive instruments of torture.
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