 Poster: A snowHead
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@Ski lots, the best one I have seen is our very own flangesax, his ESPC is inspired! If that was an Olympic event we would have a tidy gold make no mistake 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Can't believe this thread got to page 2 without having a mention for the ****** that kick, run over, stand on etc tour skis in lift lines.
Almost exclusively, it will be someone with a ski with a huge, stupid, metal cap on their tips.
I've stopped tutting and now just go for a differing level of pole whacking...
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| Ski lots wrote: |
• Snow ploughing on and off chair lifts (other than those at the disposal of beginners). |
Tutting? That should be a Capital Offence.
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| geoffers wrote: |
| For those who have missed it - this is the definitive "Guide to International Ski Carrying" |
Always makes me smile. Fish Hook and Pimp Stick are my go to options, hopefully this won't open me up to multiple sH tuts 
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Jumping on to a piste with little regard for those making progress down it.
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As I am currently nursing a dislocated elbow thanks to having been the landing pad for this last week I can promise you that it has the potential for eliciting much more than a tut!
Can I add the crowd who arrive last to the ski bus stop but pile on first especially but not exclusively at peak times in peak weeks.
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@Kooky, I find the EPC much less effective nowadays with composite poles. Aluminium ones were much more satisfying.
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I find this diagram accurate I find this diagram accurate
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Two to add for me
On arrival at the top of the lift, the hoards of people who like to stop and block the way out to the piste for others.
People who tut so loud I have to turn up my iPod REALLY loud so I can't hear them tutting, so I can then be totally oblivious to everyone else on the slopes 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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For me it's people who just click their skis off and leave them flat on the floor (along with dozens of others) completely blocking the access to a restaurant or bar when there's a perfectly good ski rack nearby.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Isn't there an App for this?
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[quote="DavidYacht"]- When there is a long queue for a chairlift, people letting a six or eight pack go up with only one or two people, so that they can go up with all of their mates
- Pole planting in lift queues
Pole planting is very useful in queues when madame is trying to force junior through the 5cm gap between the skiers in front in their belief that junior and then they can get on the lift all of 1 minute earlier to allow them to stand faffing at the exit for that bit longer!!!
A main tut for me, verging on a hurrumph, and at times a for fox sake or similar, is the forgetting that when holing ski poles you have extended your reach by an extra 3 -4 feet and then pointing waving in a loose direction whilst not taking any notice of those who are around. It can be like trying to ski passed a sea anemone at times 
Definitely concur with the I'll let 3 half full chairs go in front just so that I can sit with a couple of mates on our own exclusive half filled chair and sod the rest of the queue.
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You know it makes sense.
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@knackered knees, Agreed, a pole firmly planted between the legs of a thrusting madame is one of life's great pleasures.
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Definitely concur with the I'll let 3 half full chairs go in front just so that I can sit with a couple of mates on our own exclusive half filled chair and sod the rest of the queue.
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I agree in principle, but...... For most people skiing is a holiday and an opportunity to spend time with family and friends and not necessarily about maximising every moment of skiing. I'd rather be sitting chatting to one of my friends than a stranger. To what degree one allows 'lift innefficiencies' rather depends upon the number of people queuing. In recent ski trips the queues have been short enough that it's never a problem and if I particlarly want to sit with friends on the lift then we sort it out in the collecting ring rather than after the starting stalls. I'm not sure why France doesn't have singles lines.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Foxtrot, yes it is nice to be able to chat, but when their is a massive queue and lifts are leaving with spaces because some don't want to be parted from their group for a few minutes the this is to the detriment of all behind. There could be a double tut here - one for the passengers and one for the lifties for not ensuring spaces are filled. 
I now ski with, or should I say follow, my teenage sons and we can usually work out how we can get a lift together and not let spaces go. As you say its a bit of a jiggle in the collecting ring. Of course that is if and when they want to be seen with me.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I did slightly more than tut when in a full line in the traps i shuffled forward on my board to take my alloted space waiting for the chair to come round only to find that once through the trap some numpty decided to change lanes from 3 positions away to be beside his pal. net result me initially scooped almost into his lap but ultimately deposited on the snow and having to lie prone to let chair go over my head. liftie didn't even stop lift nor did aforesaid numpty wait at top of chair to apologise or even check i was OK.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Pff they play House and Dance music, no DnB in sight
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@Bennisboy, The difference being?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
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Pff they play House and Dance music, no DnB in sight
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@Bennisboy, The difference being? |
@Gordyjh The sounds that come out the speakers 
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House and Dance music
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Equally tuttable  [quote]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Snow ploughing on and off chair lifts (other than those at the disposal of beginners).
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much worse than this - sharp turn from right side of chair to left side of exit forcing people in the middle to take evasive action just so you can avoid a couple of skate steps. You run out straight then organise yourself once everyone has cleared the exit ramp you tool.
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Pole planting in lift queues
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Not having this. When you have some sharp-elbowed scrote all over your ski tails in a half-arsed attempt to squeeze past in a queue a pole planted solidly between his tips is the best way of dampening his enthusiasm.
and how about ski instructors leading a group of 14 six-year olds who insist on taking a line that uses every inch of the piste from right to left rather than leave a narrow channel at one side? Just because they can do it doesn't mean they should.
But the most infuriating for me are people skiing much faster than their skills justify and still leaving too narrow a margin when they pass people. more than a tut required really
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skiers who like to point with there poles without looking if there about to take someone eye out.
skiers who do that crouch position thing when there going about 10mph 
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
| @Bennisboy, The difference being? |
That's like asking the difference between country & western and blues
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| But the most infuriating for me are people skiing much faster than their skills justify and still leaving too narrow a margin when they pass people. more than a tut required really |
Not just those that ski above their level, but anyone who passes close. You frequently see people (quite often locals...usually on twin tips) battering down a piste and going to close to obvious learners. Plenty of them also seem to feel the need to pass on the 'blind side'
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| Gordyjh wrote: |
| @Bennisboy, The difference being? |
That's like asking the difference between country & western and blues
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| But the most infuriating for me are people skiing much faster than their skills justify and still leaving too narrow a margin when they pass people. more than a tut required really |
Not just those that ski above their level, but anyone who passes close. You frequently see people (quite often locals...usually on twin tips) battering down a piste and going to close to obvious learners. Plenty of them also seem to feel the need to pass on the 'blind side' |
not to entirely disagree with you, but surely if you pass a skier on there blind side that means the skier is heading away from you, and by definition if they're a beginner there not going to be able to change direction quicker than the more experienced skier is able to compensate for?
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
| skiers who do that crouch position thing when there going about 10mph |
I quite frequently do that, but only on flats. It does actually help to keep going that extra bit longer before you have to start skating/pushing
One thing that makes me tut on the slops is the damn lift queues in Europe. Pure and utter chaos. People always trying to push in ahead of you. Dog eat dog world!
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[/quote] I agree in principle, but...... For most people skiing is a holiday and an opportunity to spend time with family and friends and not necessarily about maximising every moment of skiing. I'd rather be sitting chatting to one of my friends than a stranger. To what degree one allows 'lift innefficiencies' rather depends upon the number of people queuing. In recent ski trips the queues have been short enough that it's never a problem and if I particlarly want to sit with friends on the lift then we sort it out in the collecting ring rather than after the starting stalls. I'm not sure why France doesn't have singles lines.[/quote]
Tut,tut,tut.
People with a different opinion to me on a snow based forum.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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My particular ire is directed to the users of the queue at St Martin 2, which I understand has now been replaced. I shall hopefully miss the oportunity to Tut.
Please accept my appologies to failing to understand the nuances of Drum and Bass ... to me it is just noise ... but then the music of the 70's seemed much the same to my parents.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
| not to entirely disagree with you, but surely if you pass a skier on there blind side that means the skier is heading away from you, and by definition if they're a beginner there not going to be able to change direction quicker than the more experienced skier is able to compensate for? |
I meant blind side in the same sense as rugby i.e the narrowest side Also the problem is more that they pass close, which unnerves a skier lacking confidence and throws them off balance. I've seen it happen and I've been on the receiving end of it. In most cases there's no need for an experienced and fast skier to be within 3ft of a novice (unless the novice is making sudden, erratic movements).
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You know it makes sense.
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| kb36 wrote: |
| I did slightly more than tut when in a full line in the traps i shuffled forward on my board to take my alloted space waiting for the chair to come round only to find that once through the trap some numpty decided to change lanes from 3 positions away to be beside his pal. net result me initially scooped almost into his lap but ultimately deposited on the snow and having to lie prone to let chair go over my head. liftie didn't even stop lift nor did aforesaid numpty wait at top of chair to apologise or even check i was OK. |
My experience of this was on the Derby chair in Les Arcs when an oik on a snowboard vaulted over the gates and pushed me into the arms of the liftie as the chair came round in his effort to get on the chair. The quick thinking liftie dropped me and stopped the lift, hauled the oik off, helped me up and lifted me almost ceremoniously onto the chair and we continued upwards to cheering and applause from people in the queue. I don't know what happened to the oik! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@eddiethebus,
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Not just those that ski above their level, but anyone who passes close. You frequently see people (quite often locals...usually on twin tips) battering down a piste and going to close to obvious learners. Plenty of them also seem to feel the need to pass on the 'blind side'
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Completely agree, and as @SnoodyMcFlude, says it isn't level dependent. If you are passing someone in front with a significant difference in speed I think you should take as wide a line as possible. Few things are more disconcering (even to a crusty old intermediate like me) than have someone whip past you a few feet away when you had zero awareness they were even there. Whether there is an actual risk of collision is irrelevant. The shock is enough to put you off your stride and cause you to miss/abort a turn. It's just inconsiderate.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
@eddiethebus,
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Not just those that ski above their level, but anyone who passes close. You frequently see people (quite often locals...usually on twin tips) battering down a piste and going to close to obvious learners. Plenty of them also seem to feel the need to pass on the 'blind side'
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Completely agree, and as @SnoodyMcFlude, says it isn't level dependent. If you are passing someone in front with a significant difference in speed I think you should take as wide a line as possible. Few things are more disconcering (even to a crusty old intermediate like me) than have someone whip past you a few feet away when you had zero awareness they were even there. Whether there is an actual risk of collision is irrelevant. The shock is enough to put you off your stride and cause you to miss/abort a turn. It's just inconsiderate. |
ESF guy did that to mrsthecramps on Chardons in Tignes last week. He was quite indignant when she caught up with him at the sache lift, I never realised her French was so good.
What does "Stupide étron gras" mean anyway?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| thecramps wrote: |
What does "Stupide étron gras" mean anyway?
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Google translate seems to give a good stab at the meaning. Where did she learn French like that!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@ster, she likes French films. She can speak decent French anyway, but I think while she was off work last year she watched a lot of French cinema so it's likely a quote from somewhere, though it's not in every film that someone calls someone else a "stupid fat turd".
Must've been a 60's film.
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@thecramps, excellent I will keep this phrase very handy for future encounters 
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@Kiters, mrsthecramps deserves all the credit. I will pass it on.
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We used to have a teacher that tutted in series at 2 tuts/sec when looking at our schoolwork. We called him Skippy.
When he hit a bad student and did it faster we called him something else...... something that 14 year old boys did a lot but never induced blindness.
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I'm having 'stuide étron gras'
Merci
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Definitely one to add to my O level repertoire. Im sure I would have paid a lot more attention of they'd taught us useful phrases like this one.
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eddiethebus wrote:
skiers who do that crouch position thing when there going about 10mph
I quite frequently do that, but only on flats. It does actually help to keep going that extra bit longer before you have to start skating/pushing
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Ah now. Some physics for you - drag is proportional to the square of your speed. That means the tuck is vastly more important at higher speeds. You should be tucking earlier before you decelerate to 10 mph then adopting a nonchalant upright position as you finally slow down. What you do is definitely a stylistic faux pas you wouldn't get a tut from me just a condescending gentle head shake - after all it is no inconvenience to me
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In most cases there's no need for an experienced and fast skier to be within 3ft of a novice (unless the novice is making sudden, erratic movements).
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Absolutely. My point about skill level was just to say that as you get better you can ski faster and still safely adjust so that you never get within 3ft of another skier. Some fast skiers of lower ability end up very close to other skiers because they cant make quick adjustments to speed and line when they need to.
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