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boardiac, freezing cold
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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johnE, will probably be even colder after all of the extra snow they dumped in it last month.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| mbeaney wrote: |
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=zell+am+see+immobilien
Google search for agents in Zell above, note that many of these properties will have usage restrictions on them but this will not be mentioned in the property notes on websites, you will have to contact the agent to find out.
As for price it can vary greatly depending on location, age of property, and usage restrictions. |
I wouldn't trust the agent alone - for certainty you need to talk to the Gemeinde
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Thanks for that. look great, now I just need to persuade the missus we need to move!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| mbeaney wrote: |
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=zell+am+see+immobilien
Google search for agents in Zell above, note that many of these properties will have usage restrictions on them but this will not be mentioned in the property notes on websites, you will have to contact the agent to find out.
As for price it can vary greatly depending on location, age of property, and usage restrictions. |
I wouldn't trust the agent alone - for certainty you need to talk to the Gemeinde |
Could not agree with this more, as I sad previously getting this confirmation was the longest and most complicated part of the purchase process
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There is a small place in Italy, Turin way, that alwYs used to be on the webcams. Damned if I can find it. It had a small ski area and was on an idillic lake. I alwAys thought it was a good place to end your days. It had kind of a religious name I think. Someone who knows the area might help. Weather sum seems to know a lot about down that way. Of course it may have been nearer Milan also........sorry can't be more help. I will keep looking.
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Frankly, I would have thought that the scope for swimming in Alpine lakes is pretty limited. Much more rewarding might be access to thermal resorts. This would mean Switzerland. Thermal resorts aren't all about expensive pampering - the largest one in Switzerland is the Bains de Saillon, which is a much more family-oriented place with three large pools and an outdoor 'Thermal River' feature, but still with the 'Wellness' offerings. Take a look at
http://www.bainsdesaillon.ch/en/
We have a small apartment in a satellite of Verbier. Frankly, after ten years, we're beginning to enjoy the summers more than the winters: the main lifts run July-August and can carry mountain bikes. There are plenty of walks, obviously, but also more moderate type cycling routes as well:
http://www.tdmf.ch/intro/en/index.php
Plus a diversity of thermal resorts like Saillon. And we can also use the place as a base for 1 and 2-day excursions to NE Switzerland, the Italian lakes, and France.
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Frankly, after ten years, we're beginning to enjoy the summers more than the winters:
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I don't enjoy summers more than winters, but certainly just as much (and autumn too...)
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msej449, Well, Flachau has 2 small lakes especially for swimming, plus the Therme at Altenmarkt...but the lakes are pretty cold!
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We used to go camping in the Salzkammergut, when I was a teenager and very keen on swimming. I doubt I'd swim in the lakes now but I've been spoiled by years spent in the tropics. The water in the Austrian lakes, and in Lake Annecy and Lac du Bourget in France are warmer than Cornwall in summer.
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Frankly, I would have thought that the scope for swimming in Alpine lakes is pretty limited.
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Well it's very popular around Zell am See and Saalfelden, and much of the rest of Salzburgerland. Zell has a lido, with a 'beach' area, volleyball, changing rooms and showers, café, etc - everything you'd expect to see at an outdoor pool. Similar facilities at the various campsites around the lake. Just outside Saalfelden is a small lake which has hardly any facilities (people just turn up and jump in) and a separate area for naturists.
Re: buying a property in/around Zell. The agents can be economical with the info that they provide, particularly prone to missing out important bits such as rental status. Prices are calculated pr. sq. m, so they do everything to make apartments appear larger than they are, so a 45 m2 apartment might only be 36 m2 of floor space, plus 6 m2 of balcony that is of limited use in the winter if it faces north, plus 3 m2 of 'storage room' in the cellar.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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SamerbergSue
No - obviously. I have a place in Switzerland. You have a place in Bavaria. Clearly you like your area as much as I like mine. You make it sound as if I'm some sort of estate agent trying to pull the wool over a potential client's eyes. I'm sure our original poster is more intelligent than that and can judge for themselves the feedback they'll get here - there is a natural tendency to think that the place where we have chosen to buy our property is the best possible. We can get sarcastic about other people's advice but I don't think it's very useful.
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You know it makes sense.
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msej449, Yebbut you did say
"Frankly, I would have thought that the scope for swimming in Alpine lakes is pretty limited. Much more rewarding might be access to thermal resorts. This would mean Switzerland".
So, "I would have thought" = you don't know
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"Much more rewarding might be access to thermal resorts. This would mean Switzerland" - suggests that you think there are no thermal spas outside Switzerland
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Last Summer we were in Kitzbuhel, just outside town is Swarzsee, a large natural lake. Fantastic lido with changing rooms, restaurant, take away, kids area, slides, diving boards, etc etc. Had an amazing day there. Was as warm as the hotel pool. I believe there are also 2 smaller lakes for swimming nearby too. These are very picturesque with stunning views to the Wilder Kaiser.
I know Kitzbuhel would be very expensive to buy in but just up the road you have St Johan with its ski area and the whole Ski Welt with its villages, a beautiful area with loads to do in Summer and Winter. Also easily accessable, just over an hour from Salzburg.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am still reading by the way. And for me it's been a very interesting thread. Lot's of genuinely interesting thoughts and ideas. There are clearly a vast array of options to ponder over. We were pondering over holidaying at one of these areas this summer and that is probably the first step.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Layne, Good idea; I did a Summer holiday in Zell..and ended up buying in Flachau when I had a) never heard of the place b) only seen it once, in May when there was a scraping of snow left on the pistes and c) just intended to "have a look" 
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I did a Summer holiday in Zell..and ended up buying in Flachau when I had a) never heard of the place b) only seen it once, in May when there was a scraping of snow left on the pistes and c) just intended to "have a look"
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Replace 'Flachau' with 'Saalbach' and this sounds horribly familiar
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I just popped into the Espace Diamant for a couple of days on the way home from a holiday in Courchevel. Never even intended to buy anywhere...
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We were pondering over holidaying at one of these areas this summer and that is probably the first step.
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Yes, absolutely. Although I had never been to the area where my apartment is in summer I knew from my earlier holidays in the Salzkammergut how good the Alps are in summer. I'm sure your wife would have no problem swimming in alpine lakes, Layne - as I noted above the water temperature in many of them comfortably exceeds that in places such as Cornwall.
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Layne, For Austria (I know you haven't narrowed it down to a single country yet) remember to add around 10% to the asking price for fees and taxes. Of that the estate agents normally take 3% from buyer and seller pays that too! But I got this down to 2% as buyer last time I purchased. Don't be afraid to offer below asking, it's a market after all. To get you started here's a link to remax.at quite large agent covers most of austria. Crap website but give an idea of prices. Getting a local mortgage is fairly simple though, sensibly, they expect a decent deposit of say 30%. Good luck and have fun researching.
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Anyone looking into using Euroburo I would suggest that you do not. The fees are high for a buyer, over 15%, and the first time I had a serious problem to resolve they said it was not their concern and that they did not care. Unfortunately my current impression is that this company can not be trusted. Buying is Austria particularly Kaernten/Carinthia like I have is perfect but just use a different company with more properties on offer and better prices in general.
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pfffttt anyone who says you can't swim in alpine lakes outside of the July-August months just needs to harden the fsck up!
One thing about alpine lakes like the Lac du Bourget (where I swim) is the top 5cm can be ok but they are deep glacial lakes with little in the way of currents or waves so go deeper and the water can be ccccccold!
Didn't I read something about Annecy in the UK press the other day? Most polluted city in France where the air is a carcinogenic cocktail of deadly PM2.5s belched out by the badly maintained 4x4 every Savoyard seems to drive? Air quality was compared to New Dehli.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&gl=uk&tbm=nws&q=annecy+air+pollution&tbm=nws&gl=uk&hl=en&q=annecy+air+pollution&tbm=nws
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I've swum in Lac Verney (big lake as you look down from Oz). It was very cold, 12c even in July. Can't normally swim in there, but I had to ride my bike and run a little bit afterwards too.
Anyone know if you Can you swim in Lake Constance? Is it far from the Bregenzerwald ski area? Probably a bit pricey round there though.
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You can definitely swim in Lake Constance. It's near where my wife was brought up. We are going their for our summer holidays this year. It must be an a bit over an hour to a decent sized ski resort from memory.
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Parts of Lake constance are very shallow, aren't they? They'd be warmer. 12 degrees is too cold for most people - it's over 15 here on the south coast of England now, after a mild winter, and rising of course. Lake Annecy is supposed to get to around 22 degrees in July. There's a pleasant swimming area in Combloux where the water is cleaned naturally by aquatic plants - no salt or chlorine. It's not natural, but has a natural look.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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pam w, The edges are shallow but the drop offs are pretty deep. I've dived to 45m there on the south side on the wreck of an old paddle wheel ferry called the Jura a few times. Further along to the west is a dive called the Teufelstisch where so many unprepared divers have got into trouble they have closed it to recreational divers. On the north shore there are a lot of overhangs formed by the horizontal layering of the rock strata. I've been down to around 60m there on mixed gases. Swimming along under the overhangs is a weird sensation.
The lake is quite a lot deeper than people think! The deepest point being 254m, the average depth though is 90m. Once below the thermocline it is a steady 5 degrees summer and winter, definitely one for dry suit divers. On the surface it is big enough to create its own weather, the storms that blast across it can be very frightening in the speed and ferocity they came raging in. Sailing there is big business and the storm warning system very sophisticated, but even that get caught out sometimes
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You know it makes sense.
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Samerberg Sue, I remember rowing on the lake years ago (so the depth wasn't a concern) and also swimming from the camping site. Now you mention it, I've been reminded about the warnings about the suddenness of the storms.
There are absolutely loads of Alpine lakes - most places probably have one within pretty easy reach. Lots of people swim in the ones in our neck of the woods, and even dip in the torrents coming down from the glaciers - but I'm happy just to paddle. When we paddled in the lake in Les Saisies once there were hundreds of tadpoles wriggling round our feet - swimming through them would have been an odd sensation.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Been in Bregenz when a storm appears. Pretty impressive how quickly bar and restaurant staff evict people from the terrace.
Never saw a storm at all when I used to work in Friedrichshafen, but there were lots and lots of nightly (rather loud) thunderstorms.
I'm sure other lakes feature the same phenomenon. One of the lakes near Rome certainly does, but is predictable enough to bring out the windsurfers in the evening.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My mate co-owns a chalet in Kreischberg, Austria. It's a small (40km-ish) ski area, but it's excellent for the family and very well-maintained with some nice runs. It has a lake for swimming in the summer and because it's such a small resort, chalets are much more affordable. You can get a 3-bed one near the centre for sub £100k. They rent it out all year round, and it's on a a small complex of rented chalets which have a guy who looks after them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Someone mentioned Kitzbuhel above - we had a great Alpine summer holiday once taking in Kitzbuhel, Lake Garda, Wengen, plus a few bits in between, in September as I remember. The Kitzbuhel part was a particular highlight. The main lifts were running, so we'd use those to get us and our bikes up to the top then mountain bike back down to the valley, ending with a swim in the Schwarzsee. It was great fun and while the lake wasn't exactly toasty, it was certainly warm enough for swimming. It's a lovely area so the walking would be good too. It was the first place I ever skied too, 30 years ago, so good memories!
Clearly buying a place there would be a bit pricey though! Maybe somewhere nearby would be a better bet - there's lots of good stuff around there.
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