 Poster: A snowHead
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Now we've all had a sneaky look  , can someone please tell me, in what circumstances would someone ask for their toe and heel bindings to be set at different numbers?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
| David Goldsmith, if Salomon provided the chart for the general public, and a member of the public chose to set his bindings up based on the chart, who do you think would be held responsible? |
If someone misuses, misinterprets, or is careless with a chart it isn't the publisher of the chart's fault. If I use a Michelin tyre pressure chart in a garage and read it wrongly and have an accident I can't sue Michelin.
You can only sue a company in this situation if their negligence or recklessness has caused you damage.
My point is that it's simply patronising to the public to treat them as idiots, incapable of reading a chart. The real danger, as aired above, is that the technician makes an error and it can't be picked up by the customer later on ...
... maybe that's the real reason one can't get these charts - i.e. it actually has nothing to do with safety, it's simply considered better to keep the public in the dark.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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maggi, some people set their bindings differently, if they find they come out of their heel piece more than the toe, then they may decide to increase the setting in the heel, or vice versa.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Most people who have skied a bit know roughly what they should be on and may jack the things up or down a bit depending on conditions. If you are in deep stuff you may want to stop a pre-release and the forces are likely be greater etc. If you are playing around on piste and aren't going too crazy you can take them down a bit. This is quite useful on things like the paths back to the resort which might be very crowded and a fall at very slow speed with bindings jacked up can be the worst type you will make. for instance, I was skiing very slowly on a very congested path when a snowploughing person...- women , as it happens - skied past me faster than she wanted to go, hence the snowplough, and went right under my ski which dumped flat on my back. I was fumimg as the twisting motion could have blown my knee. The bindings would not have been able to cope at that slow speed so my knee would have taken the hit. I am not a fan of having the bindings up on full and for most skiing DIN 8 is enough. For lazy days I might drop down to 7-7.5 for the reason above. I can easily twist my boot out of the binding at that setting.
But you don't want to be doing this all day, every day, or at least I don't so a quick check-over in the morning when you buff over/wax the skis is the time to do this. IMV
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JT you can't be serious about altering your binding to suit your mood/predicted skiing of the day?
What would have happened if the run before you got hit was an off piste one and you'd cranked your bindings up?
regards,
Greg
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gregh,
If I'm going somewhere which takes what I call commitment, I have straps, ties and bindings over DIN 8. We will have planned this the night before so its no problem to accomodate a a change of settings. It is very likely that I will not want to lose a ski through a pre-release in case it ends up at the bottom of a coulour or worst, a crevasse but ties aren't maybe what you want either, in case of getting caught in snow...close call here..!!
But if we are just pottering around and the consequences of a loose ski is a bit of a climb and thats it, I will take them down a notch and I do this because of the above. Thereason I was fuming is because I was on a high setting and this women caused the fall not me...!! I don't fall at those speeds like that but sometimes you have to be a bit prepared for other people.
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And, if you only want the DIN chart:
http://www.salomoncertification.com/manuals/AdjustmentPoster05ENvWEB.pdf
About computerised systems, I'd be tempted to write a small application to compute DIN based on the Salomon chart if I ever get bored, but regarding the comments about who owuld be responsible in the case of injury, I think I might leave that project well alone 
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Went to Edge2Edge yesterday to hire some kit and they gave me a DIN of 6.5 ... When I queried this on the basis that I may not be the lightest chick on the block, but I am not an elephant, either, and I had skiied quite happily on a 5 for a week in VT in December and only lost a ski after a pretty spectacular stack on a black, and that I valued my knees, he said "Yes, but you don't want to lose your skis on the turns" 
Followed by, "Well, you can always get them adjusted in resort"
Sorry, but wasn't I just paying him lots of cash so I can get out for 2 precious hours on the first day and DON'T have to faff about in resort? or b"gger up my knees?
Eventually, when the contract came through to the front desk, it said 6.5!
Not a happy  ....
Got a bit arsey and said I wanted it at 5.5 and he came back saying "Well, i've put your ability level right down, so you should be all right now...."
Mmmm .... thinking should have hired in resort, despite faff and loss of ski time, and lack of chance to try out B2s, etc, etc...
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SkiBod, What makes you so sure that you were not given the correct DIN setting at the shop here ?
Boot sole length makes quite a big difference, a smaller boot requires a higher value.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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rjs, Well, I've had the same boot (MON 299) for my last 5 trips, and my weight basically always stays the same.
To add further confusion to the story, on the last day in VT in December I decided to hire a different ski in resort, as the one I had taken out with me didn't seem v stable anymore. The fitter in the shop set the DIN at 4.5, and when I queried it as 1 DIN less than the skis I taken out with me, and wondered if it shouldn't be higher, he said no, that that was right and he couldn't alter them because of his insurance.
I then skiied quite happily on them all day at 4.5, and only lost one due to the big black stack, mentioned above.
So, in conclusion, it all seems to be a bit of an art rather than a science, which I find slightly worrying because I quite like my knees as they are and both pointing in the same direction. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just got back from 3 days in the Spanish Sierra Nevada. Ski hire shop took 4 pairs of skis off the rack, took a boot and fitted it. The DIN settings weren't even looked at, never mind changed.
For those that know Mr M and I... you'd probably agree that our settings shouldn't be the same...
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Answer the orignal posting: Yes there is... www.dinsetting.com. No math or chart reading required. Just input your height, weight, age, ability, and boot sole length.
However, I would still recommend a torque test from a technician as a binding's tension can change over time due to wear and tear. I suggest using www.dinsetting.com only as a starting point.
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You know it makes sense.
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I have a great chart on an excel doc so can't post in here (its got formulas) but any body wants in send me a PM with your e-mail and I'd be happy to mail it to you.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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kitenski, I've heard of guides cranking DIN settings right up to make sure that noone loses a ski.
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