 Poster: A snowHead
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
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Media representative
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| SCGB insider wrote: |
| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
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Media representative |
you are no more a media representative than me or any other SH
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Has Comedy need sacked or just retired then?
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@Shimmy Alcott, yes it did, right after he went off to launch his new initiative which is due to launch on the 6th of May.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| you are no more a media representative than me or any other SH |
David Goldsmith's media representation is by this username, in response to dark forces.
The purpose of these postings is merely to set the record straight, and keep it straight.
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It seems the plot has truly been lost, next you will be responding to David Goldsmiths posts telling him to say no further comment. Either that or you have created a new employee position in the goldsmith empire to avoid paying tax!
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@speed098, sounds like a plan, i like it
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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I am really enjoying this banter.
So DG is toxic, and anything he says the SCGB will ignore, but it is truly great entertainment. And what a pin-head move by the 'club' - and great move by DG to exploit it. I'm smiling as I read (not exactly lol it's a bit late and some of the family are asleep). This repeating saga, much like Nixmap is a great S/head institution and I love it.
Does anyone remember The Perishers, and 'The Great Eyeballs in the Sky'? I'm always taken back to it when I see the battle lines being drawn up, SCGB versus DG in his various guises. Makes I chortle (quietly).
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Scrumpy wrote: |
| I have no ulterior motives. |
Given your posting history, it would appear that all postings made by 'Scrumpy' have one motive, and it is an ulterior one. |
That's a bit rich from someone who's sole ulterior motive proclaimed ad nauseam over 88 pages is to destroy and wind up the club he maintains he is keen to re-join; a club which a significant number of Snowheads actually enjoy skiing with.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| On the rocks wrote: |
| SCGB insider wrote: |
| Scrumpy wrote: |
| I have no ulterior motives. |
Given your posting history, it would appear that all postings made by 'Scrumpy' have one motive, and it is an ulterior one. |
That's a bit rich from someone who's sole ulterior motive proclaimed ad nauseam over 88 pages is to destroy and wind up the club he maintains he is keen to re-join; a club which a significant number of Snowheads actually enjoy skiing with. |
Just for the sake of accuracy, it can't be an 'ulterior' motive if it has been 'proclaimed'!
Enjoying this thread very much especially the way DG is talking about himself in the third person, rather like Chris Eubank or Lennox Lewis used to when they were world champions! Most entertaining... 
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Ulterior motive for joining the club; which clearly was not proclaimed when he "accepted the invitation" to join
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You know it makes sense.
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| On the rocks wrote: |
| SCGB insider wrote: |
| Scrumpy wrote: |
| I have no ulterior motives. |
Given your posting history, it would appear that all postings made by 'Scrumpy' have one motive, and it is an ulterior one. |
That's a bit rich from someone who's sole ulterior motive proclaimed ad nauseam over 88 pages is to destroy and wind up the club he maintains he is keen to re-join; a club which a significant number of Snowheads actually enjoy skiing with. |
Just a point of information: an ulterior motive is never "proclaimed". See http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ulterior-motive
It's correct that David Goldsmith has recently (certainly not over 88 pages) expressed the view that the Ski Club of Great Britain should be wound up, in an orderly and productive fashion, so that its assets might be deployed to create something much more effective for British skiers. That objective, ironically, would be in line with the lean efficient organisation that reflected the SCGB in its formative (1903-50) years. That would honour the SCGB's founding goals and achievements. This has never been DG's 'ulterior motive', since he has been open in expressing that motive, and careful to assemble factual evidence which could point to that as a necessity and positive outcome. The word "destroy" is quite inappropriate.
Yes, snowHeads and the SCGB do overlap and members ski together, but there are many ways for people to do that. Perhaps this latest concept of SCGB skiing activity - enhanced off-piste risk-taking in an ambiguous arrangement, in the company of a SCGB Ambassador in France [2nd quote] - is not the way forward. As reported, the Ambassador might remove his official SCGB jacket, to provide (unoffical? official?) guidance (to SCGB members?) ... did this happen? ...
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| Looking at some of the French Ambassadors reports I note they refer to 'we skied here, we skied there, lovely weather' etc. (obviously not with members for legal reasons) but with no reference to members at all. For example why not say 'do come along to the social hour; regale a ski story or two; hints 'n' tips given to members etc. I don't know but at least a reference to members would be good. Obviously we expect Ambassadors to enjoy the skiing but with reports not mentioning members kind of sends the wrong message as to the Ambassadorial purpose in resort ... |
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| It seems to be working reasonably well in Tignes. Members know how to find the Ambassador, this week's drinks party was very well attended, a mountain guide has been booked for tomorrow. Ambassador understandably might not want to say he has been skiing with members even if he has done so as a member rather than a leader, i.e. no SC jacket, not always skiing first, just skiing in a group as he would with friends, suggesting routes because he knows the resort better than some others.........in fact, he could perhaps suggest routes that a SC leader in jacket would not be allowed to do (e.g. too far from piste) & accompany the group, as long as he is not leading and taking responsibility for the group...... |
Source: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/membersonly/snowtalk/discussion.aspx/The-Ski-Club?discussionID=14851&page=7#.VK2VNclCjQo
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Thu 8-01-15 0:33; edited 8 times in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Perhaps this latest concept of SCGB skiing activity - enhanced off-piste risk-taking in an ambiguous arrangement, in the company of a SCGB Ambassador in France [2nd quote] - is not the way forward.
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No worries; I'm sure they will all be carrying avalanche cords
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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On the rocks, the issue here is a serious one - applying to any leadership or companionship amongst SCGB members or snowHeads. Avalanche avoidance is the essence of off-piste skiing (not a debate about kit). Both clubs have directly experienced the fatal or near-fatal consequences of getting it wrong. An avalanche has a serious chance of killing anyone, whatever quality of kit or lack of it.
The 2nd quote above is apparently from a SCGB member who either witnessed a SCGB official giving the guidance described, or is looking forward to it being given. This idea of SCGB officials stripping off their jackets and then entering an ambiguous relationship with other SCGB skiers - perhaps because they then feel free of responsibility - is not one that the French authorities are likely to regard as acceptable. In this instance, they are probably 'dead right'.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@SCGB insider, it [Frank's e-mail] does not have a "ring of authenticity" it is authentic. Why would I have bothered to copy & paste the e-mail otherwise? I have no ulterior motives.
Speaking of which, can you please explain WHY you wish to be a member of a Club which you despise so much? I'm sure many people here, members or not, would love to know this. |
So - to clarify - I have no ulterior motive to make up and post the contents of a fictitious e-mail - the e-mail is authentic.
And, to be fair, I have no ulterior motive about anything else - I just want the idiot to shut the £$%& up.
And DG, you would not know who I was if I did declare my real name - so nothing to be gained there.
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AND THE BASIC QUESTION IS STILL TO BE ANSWERED
WHY DOES DAVID GOLDSMITH WISH TO BE A MEMBER OF A CLUB HE DESPISES SO MUCH ?
perhaps SCGB insider could obtain an answer for us.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Scrumpy wrote: |
| And, to be fair, I have no ulterior motive about anything else - I just want the idiot to shut the £$%& up. |
Well it was an ulterior motive until that stream of consciousness revealed the motive.
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| Why does David Goldsmith wish to be a member of a club he despises so much? |
That is a gross distortion of DG's view of the SCGB, which is a body of thousands of fine friendly people he doesn't despise in the slightest.
As for the reasoning, it's already been explained - he sees the SCGB as an organisation rich in assets, but failing in its purpose. A new member-owned organisation, with proper governance, could do far better - with those assets transferred to it.
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@SCGB insider, we know you're Mr Goldweasel. Why are you referring to yourself in the third person? This is the behaviour of a disturbed individual.
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It's his meeja spokesperson don't ya know 
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| @SCGB insider, we know you're Mr Goldweasel. Why are you referring to yourself in the third person? This is the behaviour of a disturbed individual. |
To emphasise the fact that the SCGB had rejoined David Goldsmith as a member, he immediately decided to be represented by a media spokesname reflecting that fact.
This was perfectly rational - not "disturbed" at all.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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If that makes one of your alter ego's happy then i am glad for him or her!
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To take a slight tangent, suppose the Club was dissolved.
Would all the members benefit financially? Or would they have to be a member for a specific period of time, with no break or expulsion?
How much would they get?
Has David done a full "carpetbaggers" analysis?
SCGB insider may be able to find out for us.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| George Jones wrote: |
To take a slight tangent, suppose the Club was dissolved.
Would all the members benefit financially? Or would they have to be a member for a specific period of time, with no break or expulsion?
How much would they get?
Has David done a full "carpetbaggers" analysis?
SCGB insider may be able to find out for us. |
Those with self-interested cash motives can sometimes dissolve a club without trace, except the sad scattering of dosh into a few thousand bank accounts.
The members of a club ultimately - theoretically - control it. Depending on their passive/active participation, the destiny of the club's assets is set.
Perhaps the scenario can be steered with a much more altruistic and creative objective than "carpetbagging'. 6 May 2015.
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| Has David done a full "carpetbaggers" analysis? |
Yes, the "carpetbaggers" can - with respect - stuff the "carpet" up their respective arses.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| George Jones wrote: |
| Has David done a full "carpetbaggers" analysis? |
Yes, the "carpetbaggers" can - with respect - stuff the "carpet" up their respective arses. |
Would that be shag pile? 
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@George Jones, There is only one person that I am aware of who wishes to dissolve the club and that individual is Mr David Goldsmith.
Mr David Goldsmith is not a member of the Club.
There is no "scenario" to be steered in any direction.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Scrumpy wrote: |
| Mr David Goldsmith is not a member of the Club. |
The only person to come to that conclusion - 3 days after the SCGB issued a "membership confirmation", "payment receipt" and therefore watertight contract to David Goldsmith - is yourself.
Who do you believe? What do they believe?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@SCGB insider, I also believe you are not currently a member. Have you contacted your bank to see if payment has left your account?
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Poster: A snowHead
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@SCGB insider, I am also of the belief that You, sorry David Goldsmith, is not currently a member. Have You, sorry David received a membership number and confirmation of the Direct Debit at this time?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Have You, sorry David received a membership number and confirmation of the Direct Debit at this time? |
The receipt of a membership number and Direct Debit confirmation do not constitute proof of a contract.
No, the membership number - as required by the contract - has not been received. The Direct Debit was contractually required for today.
The Ski Club of Great Britain has issued a "membership confirmation" and "payment receipt" to David Goldsmith, on a single document, dated 6 January.
Perhaps you can believe (or perhaps 'know', since knowledge is better than 'belief') how a Judge would interpret that document, in terms of contract law?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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To emphasise the fact that the SCGB had rejoined David Goldsmith as a member, he immediately decided to be represented by a media spokesname reflecting that fact.
This was perfectly rational - not "disturbed" at all.
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So ..... you attempted (again) to gatecrash an organisation which has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't want you, and when its systems appeared to have accepted your application you went to the effort of registering another username on a different forum and started pretending to be someone else and talking about yourself in the third person. Not at all disturbed, no. 
Get help. Seriously.
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Perhaps you can believe (or perhaps 'know', since knowledge is better than 'belief') how a Judge would interpret that document, in terms of contract law?
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You would have to take that to a court to test your premise that a binding contract is in place, my views/beliefs are irrelevant. You have previously stated you do not intend to follow that course of action. Unless that position has changed?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
So ..... you attempted (again) to gatecrash an organisation which has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't want you, and when its systems appeared to have accepted your application you went to the effort of registering another username on a different forum and started pretending to be someone else and talking about yourself in the third person. Not at all disturbed, no.
Get help. Seriously. |
Questioning David Goldsmith's mental health is clearly your standard and only mode of ridicule.
Your own condition might best be described as 'repetitive pain-in-the-neck disorder'.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
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Get help. Seriously. |
+1 
SCGB insider, I am worried about/for you.
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Would've at least seen how the processing of the DD and membership number evolved before increasing the sock count and bragging about it on here.
More entertaining. But then 30 quid can buy better entertainment.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| andy wrote: |
Would've at least seen how the processing of the DD and membership number evolved before increasing the sock count and bragging about it on here.
More entertaining. But then 30 quid can buy better entertainment. |
Indeed, if he/they had kept quiet for 72 hours, the chances are they/he would have had a membership number and funds would have been taken then the club would have had to formally expel him/them again!
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Ray Zorro, you may find comfort in this book by Dale Carnegie
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We all sit back let him argue with himself till one wins the argument by disproving everything that has been said by the other. 
