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The Arlberg Snow Report 2024/2025 (Dec 4th - April 22)

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@Whitegold,

Even if i was a wild supporter of Austrian Heliskiing.. i would Never go to the Lech operation.

Reason.

When there is Fresh Pow..there is:-

Only 2 Drop off Points

They take so many groups its tracked out within a Day

Groups are not assessed.for ability.

They bring rich clients over from Ischgl who jump the line

Incredibly expensive for a couple of runs if you do not get held up by the amateurs (carpet skiers)

Helicopters are dangerous..more than people realise.

https://people.com/archive/cover-story-i-am-alive-vol-41-no-14/

Main reason lack of terrain.

You can ski fresh Pow in Stanzertal easily 1 week after a dump and you dont need Helicopters or Lifts
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Still very warm in Arlberg. Will the season start on time? We are meant to arrive on Dec 17.
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@that_econ_prof, Dec 17th is a long way away, plenty of time for it to cool down.
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@that_econ_prof, in past years it has happened that end of October 70 cm snow fell, in the villages. After which it was springlike in November and further on. Skiing at Christmas was purely on artificial.
In other words: everything is possible, and yes, it is definitely to early to worry.
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@that_econ_prof, If you look on the weather thread there are lots of worries similar to yours. Much like the East coast of the US we are in the middle of a very dry, mild weather pattern, great for mountain walking and photos less good for building up a base for skiing. No sign of a change before the middle of the month but fingers crossed for a different weather pattern then. As ever looking more than 14 days in advance is nothing more than guesswork (even 7 days is dubious) so what the conditions might or might not be 7 weeks down the line is impossible to know.
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@Langerzug,

I dont know where you been.

Early last season Nov/Dec there was almost 3 mertrs dumped outside the Mooserwirt Very Happy Very Happy

Without that early snow .. last season would of been Green everywhere .

Also the Corona (closed) season fantastic early Powdersnow

No one will ever forget that season Hike ..Pow for weeks ...completely empty

The Jury is out about this season .

La Niña will usually bring colder winters.‘ So with this in mind, it certainly seems like we have reason to be optimistic about the long-range weather forecast for winter in Europe!

El Niño and La Niña – can bring extreme weather to many areas and the effects locally can be reversed, depending on the location


From this Friday the current high temperature will start to drop in the Austrian Alps. so its a start Very Happy Very Happy
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@stanton, is your memory that short? I'm well aware of the excellent start of last season.
I was referring to 2014-2016 (yes, three in a row) that had a very warm late Autumn/early Winter, resulting to an almost completely artificial Christmas, snow wise that is. It was still pleasant though.
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@stanton, Not sure what weather forecast you have been reading but none that I have seen suggest any change in the next 10 to 14 days. Cold enough at night to run snow cannons if that is wanted. There is the odd suggestion of light snow showers (not enough for skiing) around the 18th but too far away to take seriously. Even so I am not that optimistic about any skiing early season, yes we could be hit with the sort of large amount we had last December but that was very unusual, it was the only time I can remember that amount of snow at the time of year in the 25 years I have been here. More typical for a good season is unsettled weather starting in mid October allowing a base of snow to be built up in the mountains even if it is wet & miserable here. The dry weather pattern will break down at some point just hope that is soon rather than in January!
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It’s quite simple:

usual = december with poor snow
unusual = december with deep snow
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Snow forecast site is starting to show a lil dump of snow... @stanton I'll never doubt your snow predictions!
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Snow Forecast does not have good reputation for forecasting, usually far to optimistic about likely snow fall.

The local bod who the tourist board uses says

Quote:
By the end of this week, high pressure will continue to dominate, bringing us mostly calm and mild autumn weather. Until Sunday, and likely into Monday next week, only a few harmless clouds will accompany the sunshine, as we’ve seen in recent days. Meanwhile, the prevailing mild temperatures will remain largely unchanged. However, a significant shift in weather patterns is in sight. Weather models, though, have yet to agree on the exact direction of this trend, which will likely become clearer in the coming days. What seems certain is that the weather will turn noticeably more variable and cooler.


Wepowder (not sure their automatic forecast is any better than snow forecast though a bit more detailed) has an updated outlook https://wepowder.com/en/weblog/2024/11/06/end-of-persistent-high-pressure-pattern-in-sight . They suggest a Genoa low is possible which doesnt necessarily bring much snow to St Anton but does suggest a change away from sunny & mild
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Thew2002 wrote:
Snow forecast site is starting to show a lil dump of snow... @stanton I'll never doubt your snow predictions!


Listen to no one else on here.. Nearly all are part timers 1 to 4 weeks (max) in town let alone on the hill..

and then they only want it easy. Warm Covered.Lifts..Groomed Corduroy/Carpet and an area where they can only speak English and feel comfortable

All the new recent yuppy arrivals from French Carpet Skiing Areas should go back there Very Happy Very Happy

Put them out there comfort zone they are lost...

Stop The Brutal Grooming.....

Weather..look no further than the info i provide..I live in Switzerland a couple hours away but in season Nov to Late May in the Stanzertal

Folks

Don,t forget Prices have skyrocketed 90% since 2021 and another 6% on drinks will be the normal this seas

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/austrian-food-prices-surge-by-up-to-90-since-2021-says-labor-body/3334932

As an example

Downtown Vienna District 1 still possible .

A basic prepared Pork Schnitzel with Potato vinaigrette salad (not Wienerschnitzel) €12:00

Bier O.5l €5:00

Arlberg

A basic frozen Pork Schnitzel with frozen french fries (not Wienerschnitzel) €23:00

Bier O.5l €8:00-€10


Weather..

Trend is your Friend

https://kachelmannwetter.com/de/vorhersage/2766757-st-anton-am-arlberg/xltrend
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@stanton, you might live nearby but you clearly dont eat in many of the bars & restaurants. Schnitzel mit Pommes (assuming pork) was about €18 last season, of course you can pay more, much more if you choose to give your money to the folk who own Base Camp. Beer was about €5 in the cheaper places like the station bar or the Kebab place, more like €6.50 in places like Dorfstuben, even the Moose was about €8, again always possible to pay more if you so choose. These are the sort of prices I would expect to pay in the coffee houses in central Vienna or the beer places in the centre of town here. Prices have gone up everywhere, Anton has become expensive but you can still find reasonable places to eat & drink with a small amount of effort. The more expensive places dont seem to have any problems finding customers, lots of visitors dont seem to care about how much it costs.
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@stanton, given that you're in Switzerland, I would expect you to compare with Zürich and Zermatt, much closer by than Vienna...
Instead you choose to keep on moaning about St.Anton....
Oh, and my rule is; a Wiener Schnitzel is only with veal, and should at least cost 30 euro to keep up with general international prices Toofy Grin (Munich, Amsterdam, New York etc etc)
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where is my pop-corn?
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"Listen to no one else". Words to run from, no matter where "here" is.
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stanton wrote:
Listen to no one else on here.. Nearly all are part timers 1 to 4 weeks (max) in town let alone on the hill..

and then they only want it easy. Warm Covered.Lifts..Groomed Corduroy/Carpet and an area where they can only speak English and feel comfortable


Time to get out the top trumps cards.

Very Happy Very Happy Skis every day, speaks German, old cold uncovered Schindler was the best chair ever and I'll see your 1 to 4 weeks and raise you over 20 full seasons in Anton and quite a many more elsewhere Very Happy Very Happy

You're not wrong about the schnitzels or the beer - from 7 and in the more expensive apres bars 10. Though there are cheaper to be found when you know where to look.


@2002 - the weather will be what it will be..... Gone are the winters of old with a great snowfall in December and then February.... Pack a waterproof jacket, it rains more these days. Due to this i'm even considering becoming one of those dry robe w*****s Very Happy

can you pass the popcorn Very Happy
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@hsdee, No doubt the new Schindlergratbahn is an improvement, warmer & quicker and no need to protect your calves when stuck in the middle of two clueless folks! However the place has lost something, the experience of being transported over the ridge to be presented with a view down one of the couloirs beneath your feet was very much part of the ambience of the place as was going past the "Nur für Geübte" sign for the first time.
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:Draise you over 20 full seasons in Anton and quite a many more elsewhere Very Happy Very Happy

You're not wrong about the schnitzels or the beer Very Happy


Your just a baby in dipers in ski seasons i raise you to over double that with many in North America and Southern Hemisphere Very Happy Very Happy

i will come back to Schnitzels and other well known foods and what people think they are getting and the reality for the price ...
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A cold front is approaching us on Tuesday. It is not particularly strong, but it is enough for cloudy and partly damp weather.

8In combination with the further drop in temperatures, the snow line will drop to around 1200m.

However, no significant amounts of precipitation are to
be expected and the sun should return to the sky by Wednesday.
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munich_irish wrote:
@hsdee, a view down one of the couloirs beneath your feet was very much part of the ambience of the place as was going past the "Nur für Geübte" sign for the first time.


Exactly.... The gondolas make it easier and safer with less lift operators required.... but freezing to near death, trying to light a cigarette or take a sip from a hip flask on an old chair or draglift in a snowstorm is a rite of passage like learning to change your own brakepads on your first car. Very Happy

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Your just a baby in dipers in ski seasons i raise you to over double that with many in North America and Southern Hemisphere Very Happy Very Happy


Very Happy Very Happy double - how old are you or did you start as a baby ? better be half my age plus seven or forget it. I had some fun seasons in North America too. Many Austrians including a fair few from the arlberg were very prominant in the development of american skiing and instruction. you tube has a great documentary - legends of american skiing.
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i will come back to Schnitzels and other well known foods and what people think they are getting and the reality for the price ...



Running a restaurant is very hard work and much more difficult to make a living from it in the past few years, especially with stingy folk like you around.

Anyway back to snow & skiing, despite the change in the weather pattern it doesnt look like much snow in sight possibly the odd snowflake next Tuesday and then again the following week. Getting colder though so should be able to run the snow cannons, no ski touring on the horizon at all. You might have to stick to the carpet if you want to ski!
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Just dropped on youtube, you may just recognise this ski area.... possibly the edit of the season.


http://youtube.com/v/hiMnIQKxSro?si=ayAw-EkHqyWzbIeu


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And a bit of good news.... an old but new cafe/bar (Jules) has found new premises and will be re-opening at the top of town this winter.
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@hsdee, Nice, used to like Jules bar – had to squish into the Galzig when it closed. Roughly same location?
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@hsdee, Nice, used to like Jules bar – had to squish into the Galzig when it closed. Roughly same location?


Yes, perhaps even a bit nearer to the galzig lift, by the tourist office, where superdry was. Funny to see a sport shop becoming a bar for a change Very Happy :
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Yes.. been in planning for a while..

Located in the old Snowboarder shop ..

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High Pressure will dominate coming days




https://kachelmannwetter.com/de/vorhersage/2766757-st-anton-am-arlberg/xltrend

Could well be looking at a Green start

Start Prayin!!
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that video was sick - 23 days to gooooooo! Is there ever a big event for the very first lift of the season, I imagine at least a big cheer echos around the mountain?
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@Thew2002, Yes, lots of the Nov/Dec demo days are also opening events with other stuff happening: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=168917
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Legend - need to bookmark that page
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stanton wrote:
Yes.. been in planning for a while..

Located in the old Snowboarder shop ..

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High Pressure will dominate coming days




https://kachelmannwetter.com/de/vorhersage/2766757-st-anton-am-arlberg/xltrend

Could well be looking at a Green start

Start Prayin!!



Guess this means I will purely be drinking until Xmas, could be worse...
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Good news about Jules, it was a decent bar and draught Augustiner which hopefully will survive the move.

Looks like a few snowflakes tonight, then back to dry but colder weather then maybe snow next week though not likely to be a lot of the stuff, enough to justify running snow cannons though.
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Thew2002 wrote:
I can't squat due to back peoblems, so I do Bulgarian split squats with dumbbells instead. Just hoping they are a decent size so I can continue progressing


Generally people your age have back problems because they DON't back squat and deadlift. I'm sure you are not in that category though.

Pick the heaviest dumbbell and hold the bottom (well femur parallel to the floor) for 7 seconds. Explode up. 3 or 4 of those in a set will blow you up. Walking lunges with no wedding step will also be great.
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Yeh I think I've had grotesque flexibility all my life leading to severe anterior pelvic tilt, in turn leading to my squats/deadlifts always having overly incorporating my lower back. I've posted videos of me online squatting/deadlifting and people always have said it looks good, but I've spent months unable to walk due to them so I've just sacked them off for good.

Yeh I've really been enjoying Bulgarian split squats. I do them with two 30kg dumbbells currently, if the the weights in st Anton are far below that I'll try the pause technique you mentioned, or some lovely (horrible) lunges. I'm sure I can keep my legs looking ok either way!
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@munich_irish, draft Augustiner - difficult to find a better lager Very Happy
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Are there any lunch spots around Arlberg which are cheap and cheerful? Also are there any which are expensive and to be avoided?

Last season I didn't find some gems until right at the end!
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@boabski, Its good and far better than the local brews but I prefer Tegernsee which is available on draught (if you ask) at the Dorfstubn and in small bottles at the Moose.

@Thew2002, Around St Anton most of the places are self service spots owned by the lift company all much the same and are often crowded at lunchtime. Zürs & Lech is mostly table service which I am not a fan of as it takes up skiing time but I know lots like it. The views from Rüfikopf and Balmalp are good though Balmalp has a nonsense VIP Champagne section. Base Camp next to Galzig has become crazy expensive, occasionally stop for a morning coffee (simply because it is convenient especially on a bad weather day) but would otherwise avoid. Jules mentioned above was a decent enough spot in its previous incarnation.
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A cheap warmed up baguette, or a panini is all I ever want, sitting on a bench is fine by me.

Obviously a nice treat sit down meal is great but only once in a while
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Oh a super important one to me, are there any bars in Arlberg you can cheekily get a glass of tap water? Or drinkable water to fill up a bottle...? This was very hard to find in France...
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Where am I eating on the mountain lunch in Lech (staying in Oberlech)? Looking for the best Gröstl .
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@afterski, Gröstl is Tiroler Gröstl. Lech is not in Tyrol Toofy Grin
(and I must say that indeed it's not often in the menu's in Lech. Ambrosius (next to Rüfikopf-valley) used to have it, but that is long time ago.
Maybe Salome in Oberlech has it.
Alternatively you might want to try Vorarlberger Käsknöpfle. (Lech is in Vorarlberg) Cool


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