 Poster: A snowHead
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@LukeRibs, good point, people aren't going to be ready to follow a government message unless that government has shown them their messages can be trusted. There are quite a few communities who feel they have been ignored and let down.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| LukeRibs wrote: |
Lots on here pointing out that areas with high levels of ethnic diversity are amongst the lowest uptake of the vaccine.
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I don't think you're talking about "high levels of ethnic diversity". I think you maybe talking about ethnic enclaves.
In many big cities, there's "high level of ethnic diversity". Those are people of most open minded and worldly. I've not seen suggestions those areas have low vaccine intake.
But also within many (small to large) cities, there're these ethnic enclaves where the ethnic minority either couldn't afford to live elsewhere, or don't have the language skill to live elsewhere, or they prefer to cling onto the culture they missed. Those areas actually don't have "high levels of ethnic diversity". They have very low level of ethnic diversity.
For all the reason you listed, vaccine update in those "ethnic ghettos" are substantially lower than the national average.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
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| Rob_Quads wrote: |
I wonder how much difference that will make. Surely if you have families of 10 for example all you will end up doing is going round someones house instead so you will get the same mixing just the food industry will be loosing out again. |
Rightly or wrongly, it's extended indoor time that promotes transmission. Food industry in the winter time is exactly that. Supporting the food industry unfortunately also encourages transmission. |
But it will make no difference as you'll just have a group of 10 in someone's house instead - probably closer together and for a longer period of time than at a pub or restaurant. |
but in a pub, you could come into contact with lots more people.
We have further guidance in Wales called flow & go. I would trust my friends to take an LFT before meeting up, than going to a pub filled with random people. Our local ale house is busy on Fridays for afterwork pint, etc. |
But what difference does it make, if you go to the pub with 5 friends (sticking to the rule of 6) or 12 family members. What is so magical about 6?
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| LukeRibs wrote: |
Just as one example amongst many, I have worked with lads from the Pashtun community in Sheffield who are refusing to get the vaccine as they have a deep, deep mistrust of the British government, and given how they’ve been let down of late - I’d say that mistrust is justified. |
I guess the question is who will they trust. I get they don’t want to trust the government but there are so many more people than government recommending it, especially sooo many in the medical profession or are they untrusted too?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Ricklovesthepowder, nothing - it’s an appearance of doing something which is all politicians care about
Biggest risk of catching it over summer was in hospital, nearly 40% I think.
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| Boris wrote: |
@Ricklovesthepowder, nothing - it’s an appearance of doing something which is all politicians care about
Biggest risk of catching it over summer was in hospital, nearly 40% I think. |
Exactly my point. This hypothetical number of 6 is a farce.
How ironic that 40% of people caught COVID in hospital
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| Boris wrote: |
@Ricklovesthepowder, nothing - it’s an appearance of doing something which is all politicians care about
Biggest risk of catching it over summer was in hospital, nearly 40% I think. |
You think? There's got to be data supporting or refuting that...
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| Ricklovesthepowder wrote: |
But what difference does it make, if you go to the pub with 5 friends (sticking to the rule of 6) or 12 family members. What is so magical about 6? |
when does a gathering become a party? 
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40% sounds a lot, that may be a figure from March 2020.
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Most MRSA transmissions are in hospital.
Places are bloody full of sick people!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Ricklovesthepowder wrote: |
But what difference does it make, if you go to the pub with 5 friends (sticking to the rule of 6) or 12 family members. What is so magical about 6? |
when does a gathering become a party? |
It doesn’t matter what the occasion is. If I go to a restaurant with just my wife, and the restaurant holds 200 people, then covid will spread amongst the 200 people. If a group of friends all go together and there is 20 of us, covid doesn’t decide to attack you because you are in a group of 20! The limit on numbers is absolutely ridiculous.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Ricklovesthepowder, Not quite - a group will be closer together and facing each other. Probably a significant difference in risk.
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It's not rocket science. The group of 6 is based on the average number of people who can sit at 1 table, as @MorningGory said, facing each other.
Bigger groups would need more than that, and would then move between the various tables, not wear a mask whilst doing so, and, potentially, spread it amongst more people seated nearby.
As Students in Nottingham proved on National TV last year. As they were living in large households of 20, they didn't understand the principal and wanted to join 2 "households" and to "float" between them.
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You know it makes sense.
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| j b wrote: |
| 40% sounds a lot, that may be a figure from March 2020. |
People pick and choose "numbers" to confirm what they want to believe.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Noticeable shift in reporting, I’m going to say no restrictions for England
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Noticeable shift in reporting, I’m going to say no restrictions for England |
I pray you are right.
There was a newspaper article suggested for on Facebook which was written almost as if lockdown had already been announced starting 27th which worried me….
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There was a newspaper article suggested for on Facebook which was written almost as if lockdown had already been announced starting 27th which worried me…
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Use FB for watching videos of cats and dogs doing daft things and posting pictures of your food not for getting your news and especially not for any Covid info. Simples, Merry Christmas 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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There was a newspaper article suggested for on Facebook which was written almost as if lockdown had already been announced starting 27th which worried me…
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Use FB for watching videos of cats and dogs doing daft things and posting pictures of your food not for getting your news and especially not for any Covid info. Simples, Merry Christmas |
Tbh just use it keep in touch with my very geographically dispersed family. I wish I could turn of the “suggested for you” but I guess that is what funds the platform.
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@halfhand, agreed - just enjoy Xmas
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There was a newspaper article suggested for on Facebook which was written almost as if lockdown had already been announced starting 27th which worried me…
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Use FB for watching videos of cats and dogs doing daft things and posting pictures of your food not for getting your news and especially not for any Covid info. Simples, Merry Christmas |
Tbh just use it keep in touch with my very geographically dispersed family. I wish I could turn of the “suggested for you” but I guess that is what funds the platform. |
FB Purity works well for me to limit to only what I want i.e. nothing except posts from friends.
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It’s certainly a worry but I do find the lack of decent data frustrating.
Quote: “ New data from NHS England shows that 386 Covid-19 admissions were recorded by hospitals in London on December 22…..The number of Covid-19 admissions includes people admitted to hospital in the previous 24 hours who were known to have Covid-19, plus any patients diagnosed in hospital with Covid-19 in the previous 24 hours.”
What’s really important is how many of those 386 were actually admitted to hospital because they needed treatment for the symptoms of COVID. If it’s 350+ we are is deep poo-poo; if it’s 25, it’s really not such an issue.
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Yes, that's a vital distinction. But whatever the answer, the steep jump in admissions is a concern. The truth is that not enough is known at the moment - big questions will be answered gradually over the next week or so. Thank goodness it now seems pretty clear that Omicron is less likely to send people into hospital than previous variants. But people being admitted to hospital are ill (especially with much elective surgery being cancelled) and likely to be vulnerable - whether they catch it in hospital or take it in with them.
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