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Ski all season (2010) in the Swiss Alps - For Free?

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pam w wrote:
I've seen plenty of cows being liberated from their free winter accommodation in the Alps, and jolly pleased they look, too. Little Angel


Just like these two enjoying their freedom in the sunshine above Montalbert, there's even a bar just around the corner to enjoy that view from Very Happy

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Crikey, you switch off for a couple of days and it all kicks off....fantastic Twisted Evil

Nixmap, I think you said you were down to the final 5 recently. Would you be willing to publish the ages of those 5 people?

I can't really claim any motive higher than nosiness, but it does strike me that if all the pople who applied were old enough to know better then Masque's argument is left on fairly weak ground. If, on the other hand, you've chosen to interview only 18 year-old school leavers then it might suggest to those with a cynical mind that you're looking for an exploitative arrangement. Little Angel

You are, of course, free to ignore this...but then you might be leaving people to judge you based on incomplete facts wink
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Boredsurfing wrote:
Just like these two enjoying their freedom


What a nice picture, never mind the electric fence.
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ChrisWo wrote:
Crikey, you switch off for a couple of days and it all kicks off....fantastic Twisted Evil

Nixmap,Would you be willing to publish the ages of those 5 people?



The process isnt complete. Im not publishing individual details.

The average age is 31.2 years. The median is 27.
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standard deviation?
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abc, irrelevant in such a small sample (not big enough to assume a normal distribution): if the median is 27 than half of them are over, and half under. The average could mean that the younger applicants are close to 27 (let's say 25) and the older ones mid-late 30's. Of course, mathematically it could well be that he has 2 five year candidates a 27 year old and a couple in their late 50's, but it would seem to me not as likely (unless there are 2 grandparents with their grandchildren on one application and a single 27 as the second)
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nixmap wrote:
Boredsurfing wrote:
Just like these two enjoying their freedom


What a nice picture, never mind the electric fence.


Unfortunately they need the fence to keep them out of the ravine on the left (out of the picture), as any farmer will tell you, cows aren't the brightest of animals and wouldn't realise a ravine full of fresh grass would be a one way trip for them Toofy Grin
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Boredsurfing wrote:
nixmap wrote:
Boredsurfing wrote:
Just like these two enjoying their freedom


What a nice picture, never mind the electric fence.


Unfortunately they need the fence to keep them out of the ravine on the left (out of the picture), as any farmer will tell you, cows aren't the brightest of animals and wouldn't realise a ravine full of fresh grass would be a one way trip for them Toofy Grin



What a jolly considerate, and alturistic true friend of cows , the farmer must be Smile
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abc wrote:
standard deviation?


Deviants didnt make the short list. Smile
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I don't usually wander in here at this time of year (it's surfing time now, not snowboarding) but I'm glad I did so as I'd have missed out on this otherwise. It's glorious. I truly don't understand the animosity directed towards nixmap about this... he's mentioned the outlines of a, well, whatever it is... hardly a job I suppose... let's call it a proposition. Those interested (and there are some) have made their interest clear to him, those uninterested are free to remain so. I don't entirely get the caped crusader bit though where people appear to be trying to protect those that they feel may be wandering into a trap of sorts with their eyes not fully open... to continue the recent cows/freedom/electric fence angle, it appears that several people want to erect a virtual electric fence to stop the gullible cows wondering into what nixmap is saying is a grass-filled ravine. Sadly I would say that it is not anyone's position to prevent people contacting nixmap to discuss his proposition really, is it? I read it as, "you'll have loads of time to ski, you'll have to do some cooking and child-minding and occasionally it'll be a bit hectic" but even then it would appear that with a bit of gumption and effort, you'd be able to eke out an hour or two on the slopes anyway...

Anyhow, I must say that nixmap comes across as a thoroughly nice chap in the posts that I've seen (yeah, I know, it's feasible that he's an axe (or chopper) murderer) but you get a feeling for people's personalities through their posting styles and I'd have a beer with him any time and I applaud his efforts in maintaining his cool in this thread (under some fairly serious provocation at times) that would have had me spitting cyber feathers in no time at all. Mind you, as many of you well know, it doesn't take much to set me off... I'm glad this isn't "sun heads" and people are wanting to know about when it's next going to shine for an extended period, 'coz it ain't looking good at all. Pesky jetstream.
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carled, yes yes, that's all very well - but can you please get back to your snow-making activities. I imagine you crouched over a simmering cauldron in the summer, mumbling weird incantations and gazing into your steamed-up ball.......
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I applaud his efforts in maintaining his cool in this thread


Have to agree with you there.
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carled, hello! how've the waves been for you? My daughter and SiL have had very mixed results from their forays so far this summer - ranging from stupendous to pathetic.
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Hi Pam. Waves have been great actually! Weather has been a bit pants (doesn't bother me & my daughters in the water, but my wife's not happy in the rain!) but I've been very lucky with all trips to Croyde of late. Bit messy last time out, but still good enough for fun.
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carled wrote:
I would say that it is not anyone's position to prevent people contacting nixmap to discuss his proposition really, is it?

Yes, but the battle of wits is entertaining, though possibly less so with unarmed combatents, such as Masque

Pam W, was at least on reasonably firm footing.
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Absolutely, that's the spirit...keeps our minds off the lack of decent (northern hemisphere) skiing for a bit anyway Very Happy

And I think 3 of your 5 in the '27 and over' age range suggests we're not talking about lambs to the slaughter here. 'Course they could still be idiots in need of protection... wink
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nixmap, I'm short on time and bandwidth with a keyboard the size and consistency of a circa 1975 BR sandwich, but I hardly think my POV is toothless. You brought up the farmer/cow analogy and I happen to think that it's apropos. It matters not a jot what I think the abilities of the average snowHead but it's a certainty that many of us have a deep and, to much of the non-skiing populace, irrational love of sliding that has the capacity to circumvent a degree of rational thought and for some that will have led them to respond to your delightfully nebulous job advert . . . and let's not be coy . . . you are looking for a housekeeper(s) With that, you can apply your own filter to choose the applicant that will provide you the best cost benefit result, QED farmer and cow.

Are we agreed that the other analogies you used are inappropriate?

Here's thought: . . . I can cook quite well and creatively at altitude; I can just about remember my 'silver service' training when a student also my Bartender's Guild membership is still current; My plumbing skills are renowned and I have both electrical and electronics certifications; I know one end of a mop and a screwdriver from the other; I ski, board and provide endless entertainment when telemarking . . . would I have made the cut?

I give you great credit for maintaining a smooth and genial persona in adversity . . . but isn't that also a trait of a sociopath? (rhetorical ? only wink )

flangesax, I've not used big words, just a crappy keyboard and PWP (my apologies for that) but you're clearly able to understand the gist of my argument so rather than get arsy about my deplorable grammar, what're your thoughts about the OP?[

Hurtle, I'm cut to the quick Crying or Very sad My dreams will now be fallow clay in your absence wink
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[quote="Masque"]nixmap, . . would I have made the cut?

I give you great credit for maintaining a smooth and genial persona in adversity . . . but isn't that also a trait of a sociopath? (rhetorical ? only wink )

I reckon he's in love and just playing games - treating you mean to keep you keen nixmap wink
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Libertine, only in your damp dreams Toofy Grin
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Libertine, only in your damp dreams Toofy Grin


Oh don't get me wrong I'm quite entralled with you both wink
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PS - My keyboard appears to be as bad as yours! I can really spell... although I'm not sure I could cast quite as good a spell as Nixmap has on you obviously, lol!
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Libertine, I'm just calling out nixmap for the spamming predator he is. He's been both clever, subtle and superficially good natured. He can afford to be. He has by his own admission a significant number of applicants to choose from. It's not my opinion of how dumb or otherwise my fellow snowHeads are in responding to his smoke . . . He is the one who is actually making a decision on their responses.

Ya see, there's one big elephant in the room that shows nixmap for what he is. This is not a one-off opportunity. His prior and Summer adverts show this to be a structured and certainly well research strategy to gain him the best result and certainly far cheaper in a multitude of ways than advertising a commercial contract.

Genial and good natured he may appear, but we all know that appearances have repeatedly proven to be deceptive. wink
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Masque wrote:
I hardly think my POV is toothless.

You appear to be in a minority, but you are welcome to your opinion.

Masque wrote:
you can apply your own filter to choose the applicant that will provide you the best cost benefit result

Err... Ill have to think about that.. Are you suggesting I should choose the applicant that least suits me ?? Ive followed most of your meanderings, but this strikes me as a little absurd. (Im not sure this lends weight to your thought quoted above.)

Masque wrote:
would I have made the cut?

Probably not as a single person as we did state a prefernce for a couple. Otherwise I dont see why not.
Applications are closed though.
Interestingly one of my antagonists of last year made a serious application this year and is shortlisted, so you are most welcome to wait and reapply.


Masque wrote:
flangesax, I've not used big words

What does anthropomorphisms mean?
And why are they in appropriate?
Anything to do with likening snowheads to cows? Smile

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nixmap,

1: Opinion? certainly I am.
2: "Are you suggesting I should choose the applicant that least suits me". No, but thank you for confirming your motivation.
3: 'Making the Cut': I had a boss that was as congenial as you . . . almost got me killed . . . and he never stopped smiling. Your mannerisms and syntax remind me of him and continue to do so.
4: Asking those last questions when you know the answers is your professional speciality, particularly when it's you that applied the sobriquet to snowHeads

I call you out as an abuser of this forum as 5/4 of your posts on here are directly related to your commercial benefit and some of the last fifth have an an interest in the same. I give you credit for not turning your chalet into the spamfest of La Ros but that doesn't mean that you are any better than that. You're clearly here for your personal gain and no amount of genial bonhomie should mask that.

You are disingenuous and I believe not a friend to snowHeads, for you it's just a cheap resource for labour and not unique to your design.
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OK so I think I finally understand what your driving at. Making a post in here soley for my benefit, is whats bothering you? And thats what you mean by predatory. (Actually i think you mean parasitic) but I get the gist.

Try thinking about it this way, If Mods really thought that this was a one way bargain where only I benefit, dont you think that they would have terminated the thread a while back?

I suspect a thread that is keeping some (including me) entertained, and enouraging lively and topical debate (albeit sometimes misguided), increasing traffic to the site during a seasonally low volume period, enouraging new viewers to make a post, getting new people to register, so they can make an application - is a good thing for snowheads.co.uk.

Honestly its difficult to see exactly how Snowheads.co.uk dont benefit in almost everyway from an active thread like this - and you know what?

More power to them for creating an enterprise, that on the face of it, requires no commercial obligation from the willing particitpants , who on the whole come here becuase of their 'deep irrational love of sliding' on snow. Of course in the background hitcounts go up, revenue goes up, and eventually, share value goes up.
The really clever bit is that members themselves like you and me actually provide the content.

Im sensing a pattern here, by your logic, would that make snowheads.co.uk venal and predatory?
and if so WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

The thing is, we all know it, but we dont really care that snowheads.co.uk benefit from the arrangment. The reason being that, snowhead members , from their own perspective, view the exchange as a value proposition. Their browsing time is free or no charge to the content provider, and they are free to look at what they like. The fact that their eyeball time is actually worth something to some one else is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that participants derive benefit from an arrangment, as long as both sides feels they came away with a fair exchange.

Most of us managed to grasp this idea in the school playground, but its not a race, youll get there eventuallly wink


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carled, hello! Great to read you, but now get back to yer wigglies. Toofy Grin
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save the cows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Toofy Grin
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nixmap, Snowheads.co.uk don't benefit in any way, shape or form from anything that is posted on any of snowhead.com's forums (fora?)
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youspurs1 wrote:
nixmap, Snowheads.co.uk don't benefit in any way, shape or form from anything that is posted on any of snowhead.com's forums (fora?)


not quite sure what the distinction is between .com or .co.uk or who gets revenue

There are ads on the site.
I guess there must be some kind of revenue stream attached to that.
And in general, more traffic, and entertaining content, means more revenue and maybe more donations.

Not that either bother me, its just an observation.
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nixmap, mornin' sweetie, I've a schedule to meet so I'll catch you on the downside.
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nixmap, since I'm in a queue that seems to extend beyond the bounds of Christendom and wifi's free so let's start with the obvious:

Parasite or Predator? Oooooh . . . a hard one - not rolling eyes Parasites are opportunistic, there's hardly any evidence of cogent thought in their behaviour. That would have been applicable to you if you did not have a history demonstrating a coherent and applied stratagem. You're not here in this post by happenstance . . . do you want to lie otherwise?

Now the Mods: It's demonstrable that mods are both human and fallible . . . and in that, can be manipulated . . . one of the easiest ways is to generate a positive persona is with bonhomie behaviour . . . I can't argue that you've not the ability to do that . . . with considerable expertise. Evil or Very Mad

What I think the point you're missing is that this site is not a 'cash cow' for the opportunist. I'm perfectly happy for the administrator to make a living from this site and to negotiate an income from commercial resources, (in fact, you can confirm with him that I was pushing for him to leverage snowHead's potential right from the start) his efforts have created the environment for this community to grow in a spam free environment. You just simply want to exploit that. That you see no fault in that is demonstrated with the following , , ,
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I suspect a thread that is keeping some (including me) entertained, and enouraging lively and topical debate (albeit sometimes misguided), increasing traffic to the site during a seasonally low volume period, enouraging new viewers to make a post, getting new people to register, so they can make an application - is a good thing for snowheads.co.uk.
and illustrates you for the predatory tw@t you are.

You appear to be blinded to the altruistic nature of snowHeads in your comment :
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suspect a thread that is keeping some (including me) entertained, and enouraging lively and topical debate (albeit sometimes misguided), increasing traffic to the site during a seasonally low volume period, enouraging new viewers to make a post, getting new people to register, so they can make an application - is a good thing for snowheads.co.uk.

Honestly its difficult to see exactly how Snowheads.co.uk dont benefit in almost everyway from an active thread like this - and you know what?

More power to them for creating an enterprise, that on the face of it, requires no commercial obligation from the willing particitpants , who on the whole come here becuase of their 'deep irrational love of sliding' on snow. Of course in the background hitcounts go up, revenue goes up, and eventually, share value goes up.
The really clever bit is that members themselves like you and me actually provide the content.

Im sensing a pattern here, by your logic, would that make snowheads.co.uk venal and predatory?
and if so WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?


I'm here because this is a community of like minded obsessives and we're happy for the creator to take a benefit from that. I and I think others object to a clever c**t taking advantage from that. Calling increased site traffic an adequate compensation for your mendacity is hardly adequate.

I say again nixmap, you are no friend to snowHeads and you are only here solely for your personal gain. You demonstrate no concept of community, only that of manipulation.

I'm ashamed to share my location with you
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Using expletives? Not clever . . . but sometimes justified Embarassed
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Masque wrote:
spam


I hardly think this qualifies as forum spam

Masque wrote:
I think others object,

As of this moment 10177 views against one dissenter on this subject says otherwise.

Naturally there has been some lively discussion about the value proposition, which is fair enough and I believe I have given straightforward answers.

Personally I dont find your thinly veiled expletives that appropriate in a community forum either.
Just becuse youve been here a long time, doesnt give you the right to make offensive comments of this nature, especially when you clearly have excellent language skills. I ll venture that many others agree.
Whats surprises me is with the very same paragragh you want to imply that my post is offensive to the snowheads forum, and expect to be taken seriously.

After all offering a free acommodation in the Swiss Alps in exchange for some house holdchores and weekend child minding,
surely isnt that bad, and if a couple of snowheads gets a good ski season out of it great, thats exactly the kind of exchange a community like this should be fostering.

Based on the interst shown in the thread and, forthcoming applications,I just cant agree with you premise. Sorry.


Nix.
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It matters not a jot what I think the abilities of the average snowHead but it's a certainty that many of us have a deep and, to much of the non-skiing populace, irrational love of sliding that has the capacity to circumvent a degree of rational thought and for some that will have led them to respond to your delightfully nebulous job advert


Do you really think that? That we a whores to skiing? I dont think so. If people want to work for their keep in return for skiing a season then that is a perfectly rational choice. Whether it is a great deal or not will be down to the individual. But that individual is free to make their own choice.
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Masque wrote:
You're not here in this post by happenstance . . . do you want to lie otherwise?

rolling eyes
Couldnt be further from the truth, actually I originally posted on TGR - as an experiment.
Arv cross posted to this forum.

The major complaint was the last year I left it too late and most had already made plans.
It was was well recieved, (along with the usual hectors) many would be applicants asked that I repost for the next season when the time came so here I am by 'popular acclaim'. Very Happy
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so here I am by 'popular acclaim'.


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think you owe arv a free weeks accom for his good service to you wink
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nixmap, You are exploiting people's desires with improper reward, you're spamming for cheap 'off the books' labour by metaphorically sugar coating a turd and that's pretty much all you do . . that's offensive almost certainly illegal and my unexpurgated thoughts about that are hardly thinly veiled, fully justified and would be the same if these were my first posts:roll:

Skiers are not whores . . . that just confirms my thoughts about your behaviour . . . we're the 'johns' in thrall to a very expensive sporty mistress, You are a grinning pimp and deserve to be treated as such.

Shimmy Alcott, I think arv deserves a kick in the goolies for bringing this lowlife here Sad
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