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What about resting heart rate as another measure of CV fitness? As I sit here with my feline and technological laptops, mine's 52 which I reckon to be pretty good for my age group, but my BMI and WHR data don't exactly agree. 
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| peura wrote: |
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| I'm feeling quite chuffed today, because for the first time ever, I can do an unassisted pull-up. Close grip only at the moment, but I'll get the hang of wide grip soon. |
Well done. I've been trying to work out how to do a reduced body weight ones, comparing to press ups on knees etc but can't think of any ATM.
Your post does highlight another problem. I don't think I'm especially fit (according to most charts I'm still a couple of stone overweight  ) but without any practice I can do a couple of pull-ups (just tried) and I'm fairly sure I could have completed the swim part of a Olympic triathlon, even at my least fit, but I know I'd still struggle to do the cycling and running parts.
Another thing to throw into the mix. If we take the suggestion of 1/2 an hour five times a week (I know there has been discussion about whether or not this is enough). Anyway I keep thinking a lot of people would find it easier (as is more convenient) to do 2.5 hours hill walk at the weekend. |
Another technique is to place a chair in front of a pull up bar and rest your feet on it.
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peura, you could try taking up climbing especially if there's a wall near you. Alternatively to really work your upper body you could try bouldering although that can be really disheartening at first as it's hard to stay motivated when you can't get up anything graded 1!
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Well, I'm not missing out on my cycling with the visit of my friend - she has adopted my cranky old bike and is coming with me. So we've done three times this week - the only thing about going cycling with her is this tendancy we discovered to stop at a pub for an hour or so in the middle of the ride, only a half pint, but it probably nullifies the calorie loss Still should be back to to normal next week.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| Well, I'm not missing out on my cycling with the visit of my friend - she has adopted my cranky old bike and is coming with me. So we've done three times this week - the only thing about going cycling with her is this tendancy we discovered to stop at a pub for an hour or so in the middle of the ride, only a half pint, but it probably nullifies the calorie loss Still should be back to to normal next week. |
Megamum sounds to me like you're almost a pro rider.....all clubs stop at the half way point on their training riders for refreshments!! (ok it's normaly tea and cake and after 30 miles but don't let that deter you I did say almost a pro rider)
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I'm not sure of how bouldering routes are graded though. Scrambling I know uses numbers, whereas I thought climbing used words
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It's fairly complicated http://www.rockfax.com/publications/bgrades.html shows a comparison of all the different methods in use for bouldering, the V grade is probably still the most common, however, you can compare the tech grade so V1 is a british tech grade of 5c which compares to a climbing grade of E2 (from http://www.rockfax.com/publications/grades.html ) E2 is pretty good going, in fact it the hardest I've ever done after a good 7 years of climbing hence when starting out even doing the easiest bouldering problems feels almost impossible. It's good fun if you get into it and certainly works the upper body: http://www.lakesbloc.co.uk/sei/s/1284/577.jpg (this is far from easy  )
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been biking sunday and yesterday.. legs feeling the strain this morning.. tonight is the big one. four of us on my hardest course.. weathers a bit grey.. hope to finish up at a boozer by about 7.30 for a bit of power pint drinking!! beers got to be the ultimate recovery drink!
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Swirly, thanks, I think. Just a thinking for those who thought grading of ski runs was complex don't look at climbing grades:~/. I think I might consider using the climbing wall at first. I don't think the local rock as a "friendly" as that found in the peak district  .
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You know it makes sense.
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| pam w wrote: |
| A good general understanding of nutrition is what's needed; calorie counting is part of the whole rubbish "diet" thing. |
Well said.
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| DB wrote: |
| The main difference between people who maintain a healthy weight and those who don't is that the successful ones have discipline. If you don't keep a check on cals and weight etc you can quickly get way off course. Once you get in shape you don't need the decifit but it's all too easy to slip back into a surplus. |
I disagree. Many of my patients have the discipline to stick to a regime, it's just that they lose their motivation, and when they do the weight goes back on. A large part of the reason that they lose their motivation is either that they achieve their weight loss goal, and so stop calorie counting, or they don't achieve it and become dispirited. Calorie counting as a strategy is also a very negative orientated goal, which I don't believe is sustainable in the long run for the majority of people.
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| The 'fat burning foods' seems a load of hyperbole to me. Basically it can be summed up as eat plenty of fruit and veg. |
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| Does it really matter what the incentive is to eat healthy? |
It does when you erroneously give people the impression that they can eat as many cakes as they want, as long as they negate it with the right amount of 'fat burning foods'.
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| Also 1lb to 2lb is the currently given advice for weight loss, however in my view it's too quick for sustained weight loss, and as far as I know it's not evidence based. Weight goes on from a small calorific surfeit over a long period of time. IMV to make a sustainable lifestyle change that is going to last, the weight loss needs to be slow as well. |
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| So you agree with certain one line recommendations from the medical industry but not others. Funny how you only agree with the ones you have been able to achieve. |
The recommendation that adults exercise five times a week for 30-45 minutes is based on reasonable evidence. AFAIK the recommendation to lose 1-2lb a week is not. Much like a lot of the advice given by the medical profession (2-3l of water a day, the need to lose weight before having a knee replacement) I believe that it's based on repeated opinion rather than hard evidence of effectiveness.
As for my achievements, as mentioned before I'm quite happy with the way they have gone, and the way that they continue to progress.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Out for a bike ride myself this evening. Hope the rain keeps off . I have also told jules that he had better buy his new bike.
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| [The worse diet fad I ever heard of was that Atkins diet. |
One very important thing that the Atkin's diet teaches us is that it is not necessary to calorie count to create a calorie defecit.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Kramer, You've said that you work in Mansfield. Maybe you live there too? |
No I live in Nottingham, where there is plenty to do as long as you're into gun crime.
Honestly I don't find exercising every day a huge imposition on my lifestyle, I tend to fit everything else in around it. The only thing that has changed is that I probably watch less crap on the telly, which is no bad thing.
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| Kramer wrote: |
| Honestly I don't find exercising every day a huge imposition on my lifestyle, I tend to fit everything else in around it. The only thing that has changed is that I probably watch less crap on the telly, which is no bad thing. |
I find the hardest problem once you have a family is fitting excercise in with doing family things, and I suspect others are in a similiar situation. I can do 2-4 times a week, but anymore and I'm spending more time exercising than I am with my family!
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It does when you erroneously give people the impression that they can eat as many cakes as they want, as long as they negate it with the right amount of 'fat burning foods'.
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my daft Welsh aunt was a classic case of misunderstanding diets. She used to say "Right, I've had my diet, so what's for tea?"
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anymore and I'm spending more time exercising than I am with my family!
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I don't really have that excuse but my son does. He likes to go for a run, and he plays football with guys from the office one lunchtime a week, but when he gets home from his fairly long working day his wife is struggling with bathing kids and getting them ready for bed. If he were to change into his shorts and go out for a run he'd probably come back to find she'd run away to her mother's. She could only go to an early evening one if my son was reliably home early enough to do the whole bedtime routine, which he isn't. Once they've eaten, exercise is obviously out of the question. My daughter in law has problems with losing weight after having babies, but a late-ish evening exercise class, when you're exhausted after a day with little kids, is difficult to sustain. Organising anything with two youngsters (shortly to become 3) is really difficult. Some leisure centres have a creche but then you have to find a time when all the kids are sufficiently awake and in good enough temper to be left. They keep suggesting we move to Somerset and give up winters in the mountains, to be on hand for baby-sitting. Life with kids was easier to organise when everyone had their mother up the street (as they did in my young day in Cardiff). But then nobody had the money to go to exercise classes, and even if they had, there was nowhere to go. Life has changed so much! They did buy mountain bikes but she became pregnant shortly after (post ergo non propter hoc) and the bikes now live in our garage.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Once they've eaten, exercise is obviously out of the question. |
Why? I've eaten early with the kids at around 5:30/6pm and excerised 1 1/2 hours later. I've even done a 30 min run at 9:30pm just to get out and do something!!
regards,
Greg
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Oh according to my tape measure -
| Green Zone | Amber Zone | Red Zone | | Male | less than 37in(94.2cm) | 37-40.2in(94.2-102.2cm) | greater than 40.2in(102.2cm) | | Female | less than 31.5in(80cm) | 31.5-34.6in(80-87.8cm) | greater than 34.6in(87.8cm) |
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Kramer, I think I remember your tape measure of waist size but I thought it was the "white zone" you had returned to? Useful to have as a reference though.
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I've eaten early with the kids at around 5:30/6pm
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My son rarely gets home before 7pm, then it's almost 8 by the time the kids are bathed and asleep, and adult supper is on the table about 8.30pm. They eat as a family at around 5 - 6 at weekends, as a special treat, but it's out of the question during the week. He finishes work around 6 then has to drive across Bristol!
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Kramer, are the zones independent of other measurements, such as height?
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pam w, yes.
Even better is to measure your waist to hip ratio. For women your waist should be no more that 85% of your hips, for men 90%.
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You know it makes sense.
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OK, my waist is in the green zone (though not by a mile ) and 78% of my hips - just checked. So if my waist were 36" (red zone) would it be OK as long as my hips were 43? Or is there some other parameter?
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| pam w wrote: |
| OK, my waist is in the green zone (though not by a mile ) and 78% of my hips - just checked. So if my waist were 36" (red zone) would it be OK as long as my hips were 43? Or is there some other parameter? |
Waist to hip ratio is meant to be a better predictor of cardiovascular risk rather than waist measurements alone. I'm not sure how likely you would be to find someone with the measurements that you suggest above. As people put on weight, they tend to deposit abdominal fat, so their waist to hip ratio tends to rise.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I have serious doubt about these "zones" and "ratios".
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Me too, for all the reasons you state.
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aviator, aha. Thought so. I'm fat. 
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abc, Hurtle, they're all evidence based. Waist to hip ratio is the better predictor of cardiovascular risk, so abc if yours is greater than 90% then you are at increased risk. Are you sure that you measured it properly, it's quite difficult to do on yourself.
A true waist measurement of 37" isn't that small. I have a waist that size, and I'm nowhere near a six pack, and would describe myself as quite stocky. It would be quite easy for someone who is 6'2" to have a waist that size, they wouldn't look disproportionate.
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Megamum, As an added incentive (and we all need those! ) have you looked at http://www.mapmyride.com or sister site http://www.mapmyrun.com ? YOu can use it for free, or sign up for added bits and pieces.
Its a wonderful way of checking that your distance estimates are right (as well as the calibration on any bike computer you decide to go for) and more importantly spotting other routes you can take with more / less vertical but that add up to a distance you are comfortable tackling.
Good luck!
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Waist to hip ratio is the better predictor because it takes into account frame size. Waist to hip ratio is the best predictor that we have.
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predictor of cardiovascular risk
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it's in my genes anyway. I'm on the case (occasionally.)
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Hurtle, cardiovascular risk is multifactorial, so the writing is not necessarily on the wall for you.
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Kramer, thanks! In truth, that is why I do indeed try to stay on the case - healthy eating, exercise, an eye on cholesterol levels etc - if not religiously so. Do you have any views on daily aspirin? I do, but am not sure whether the jury is in or out on that, at the moment. (Enteric coated, obviously, and I have a cast iron gut anyway.)
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