 Poster: A snowHead
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its certainly taking its time
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@elefantfresh, it's (only) the 2nd of November ...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yes, I know - I'm just very excitable - sorry
We've not even seen any proper flurries really - I think there was a light dusting in the western alps a few weeks ago, which of course wasn't going to stay
I'm not a negative Nancy - I'm just dying for it to snow!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I realise its mid range and so much can alter. But does it look promising from mid month? MeteoGroup showing a dip in in temperatures and light snow at higher resorts.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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2 week forecasts now showing light snow and freezing temps in the alps from the 14th. The forecast changes daily but fingers and toes are crossed
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| @elefantfresh, it's (only) the 2nd of November... |
But now under 3 weeks until Tignes' scheduled opening date - and I'll be there from the 28th. My legs are killing from the constant snow dances... 
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In recent years we’ve actually had a good few early starts to the season at the higher levels . I’ve had a place in Ste Foy for 20 yrs and I’ve seen some shockers with no real snow appearing till at least mid to late Dec . But recently things have seemed to have been moving earlier , Ste Foy for example had for a few years been experimenting with exclusive training slopes for the national ski teams and local clubs in Dec to much success before their third week of December official opening but post Covid they had shifted this opening earlier around the 7th date without much problem . This season however might prove different however .
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Both GFS & ECM are suggesting the high pressure pattern to continue until mid November. GFS is suggesting the pattern might break after that (ECM dont go further than 14 days) but as we know forecasts that far out are not much use. Looks like any areas planning on opening early will be largely artificial though we can hope for some snow late November. Unlikely to be anything like the images from parts of North America.
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I was just looking back - via phone pics - at last year's snow in Chamonix and it really wasn't till 1 Dec that there was much at valley level - although we missed out on the late November skiing higher up due to travels.
It was all very encouraging until it rained mid-December 
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Another foot past 24 hours in the Central Cascades with about 10" in the Northern Cascades. Just over 3 feet falling the past week. More on the way Monday/Tuesday of another 3"-8" with some snow in the Rockies and Wasatch.
Dog checking the snow depth this morning.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| I was just looking back - via phone pics - at last year's snow in Chamonix and it really wasn't till 1 Dec that there was much at valley level |
indeed, that was about it at valley level until March. Tracks and Trails, a tour operator, have relocated out of Chamonix this winter due to the poor snow the last two seasons and are now based in Norway AFAIKS.
Val Thorens is looking touch and go for opening on schedule but it is cold enough to make snow at night.
There certainly doesn't seem to be much change in the weather for the next week with a blocking high and temperature inversion and possibly not a flake before mid November and beyond.
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@davidof, in fairness, Tracks and Trails are a trekking and XC team, so Norway would seem a more logical location anyway!
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You know it makes sense.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @davidof, in fairness, Tracks and Trails are a trekking and XC team, so Norway would seem a more logical location anyway! |
well it has the advantage of having snow on the trails, that's for sure
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Europe early season already looking shaky.
It's November, and not a single French (downhill) resort is open.
Not so long ago, France had 5+ stations that stayed open 9-12 months a year.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My snow anxiety is rising...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Thew2002 wrote: |
| My snow anxiety is rising... |
Join us… it’s harrowing. T minus 39 days till I fly and the whispered promise of snow that graced the forecasts on Friday has now vanished again.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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“Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its joy” Leo Buscaglia.
After 40 years I have long since ceased to worry about the snow. I have 26 days to go. I enjoy the day when it all turns white and you see it on the webcams. But nothing I can do about it and so I don’t worry about it.
Some indications of a cold snap mid month. Over the years I have not seen it snow that much before the second week in November.
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ECMWF longer range showing cold snap and light snow for Arlberg on the 13th and also on the 19th (I have a windy premium account which I use for yachting). Long way out but fingers crossed.
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@afterski, Looks like straw grasping, I can only see the ECM up to 14 days but can see GFS for a bit further (though at that point it all becomes rather guesswork) but both show the high pressure pattern continuing with no sign of any change in the basic pattern. As ever come back tomorrow and it might have changed!
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Absolutely grasping.
Windy now showing 15 day forecasts with ECMWF using the new AI forecasting system that they have developed. I can't see pressure systems that far out with it though. Just numbers.
I'm always skeptical of GFS, as it is pretty crap when it comes to a tool for wind based on my experience. ECM is always more accurate by a significant margin in my experience. Can't speak to longer term pressure systems though as I don't track it.
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@Whitegold, can you cease and desist with your arrant, ignorant and very boring nonsense?
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It’s going to puke in December, just not in November like last year
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Never mind natural snow, getting the temperature low enough to start the cannons would be a start.
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| @Whitegold, can you cease and desist with your arrant, ignorant and very boring nonsense? |
It is actually true though, France did have a number of ski areas open most of the year although I think only Tignes offered skiing 365 days.
Tignes, LDA, ADH, La Plagne, Val Thorens, Chamonix and Val Thorens... Bramans and le Galibier even.
https://www.skipass.com/news/anthologie-glaciers-ski-ete.html
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@davidof, not exactly insightful is it?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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MeteoGroup showing a marked dip in temperatures and light snow above say 1750m from 13 November. If that pans out, hopefully conditions for snowmaking.
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| @davidof, not exactly insightful is it? |
no but the skipass article is interesting, while we wait for a change in the weather.
I'm not too worried, better snow in December than early November when it will melt.
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You know it makes sense.
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@davidof, exactly.
Used to be summer skiing up the Flégère (or maybe Brévent?)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@davidof, +1
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Poster: A snowHead
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Last few winter we’ve had plenty of snow early for it to be washed away or nothing for ages after.
I’d rather a later start in the hope it stick around. Most ski areas have over 40 ish days until they open. Lots can change before then, and if it doesn’t not a whole lot anyone can do about it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@sparkzter, Absolutely this. I'm heading out to the Swiss Alps on 6th December and I'm not worried yet, a lot will change in a month!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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France had a huge 13 summer ski resorts between the 1950s and 2010s.
Tignes
Val d'Isere
Les 2 Alpes
La Grave
La Plagne
Alpe d'Huez
Les Arcs
Serve Chevalier (CdG)
Val Thorens
Chamonix
Bramans
Maupas
Luchonnais
Today, in the 2020s, France has not even one single (downhill) ski resort open even in the depths of fall in November.
They are all 100% shut.
From 13 to zero.
Illustrates perfectly how bad the early season is for France in 2024/25 so far.
Even at the ultrahigh summits of Tignes and L2A, snowcover is grim.
They remain closed.
In November.
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Meanwhile in the real world, the squigglies are starting to go in the right direction
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| michebiche wrote: |
Meanwhile in the real world, the squigglies are starting to go in the right direction
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Would you mind explaining like I'm five, what it is I'm looking at here?
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[quote="fallingwithnostyle"]
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Meanwhile in the real world, the squigglies are starting to go in the right direction
Would you mind explaining like I'm five, what it is I'm looking at here? |
the digital version of goat entrails
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@fallingwithnostyle, there's more info in this thread.
But essentially the top lines show temperature at ~1500m, the bottom ones show precipitation.
Red temp line is average for this time period, the other ones are different runs of the forecasting model. You can see they are all grouped together for the next few days but more spread apart as time goes on, showing increasing uncertainty. White is the average of all runs.
Good in this case = lines below red/0C after 12 Nov and increasing chance of some snow 
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@davidof, more succinctly put
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@michebiche, 
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