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carled, Don't worry, it dumped enough here (in Wengen) last night to last for your week Laughing
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Good god AxsMan, are you in Wengen? Why didn't someone say...? wink

Tell you what... I know it's a stuck record... but if you can please grab hold of admin when he next crosses your field of view and let him know that myself and masmith are pm'ing him like crazy without response and that we'd appreciate it if he could just spare a quick minute to answer our questions or just tell us to "f*** off" it would be much appreciated.

Do remind him that I'm going to be out there with him next Saturday in the same hotel for one night and I might have to poo in his skiboots or something... Twisted Evil Well... seeing as Kramer has set the bar, someone has to try and raise it, yeah?
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carled, Will try to catch him this evening, but he's a busy chap this week. he's got 72 snowHead 's to look after and barely has time to eat!

(plus I think he might have managed to squeeze in the odd hour on the piste wink )

Did catch sight of him at the station this morning Very Happy
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AxsMan, I know he's really busy, that's why I feel guilty harassing the poor bugger. Tell you what... you act as his secretary for the afternoon seeing as you're too knackered to ski and then you can find out the answers to mine & masmith's questions, then you can pass on the info. Job done. Sometimes I amaze even myself... snowHead

Oh and I'm glad that the snow I predicted did arrive... phew... looks a bit soggy in resort on the webcams though... looks like more wet stuff on the way with borderline temps...
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carled, Just spoke to him and promted him to pick up your PM's. What were the questions BTW?

The stuff that fell last night was powdery rather than 'wet', hopefull for more of the same tonight! snowHead
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AxsMan, Thanks chap. He was going to speak to Victor on our behalf (he'll know who I mean!) and also he was going to let me know if he wanted to organise our lift passes so SH benefitted or whether I just needed to sort it out with Nathalie myself instead. One of my group wanted to pay for her pass on credit card as she is short of cash this month and I didn't know if that affected stuff for him.

Looking at the rainfall radar, I'd guess the main lump will hit you at around 8-9pm. As it's falling at night when it's colder, there'a a good chance it could be snow instead of rain...
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AxsMan, thanks from me too ! As with carled admin was sorting out our lift passes so that SH's got a slice.
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Well the incoming forecasts have got me wetting my pants for Easter Weeken when we go out. It could well be amazing as the snow is falling and the temperatures look like being unseasonally cool Very Happy snowHead
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Frosty the Snowman wrote:
...me wetting my pants ...


You need to speak to Kramer Laughing
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AxsMan, I did, about 30 minutes ago Very Happy
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Frosty the Snowman wrote:
Well the incoming forecasts have got me wetting my pants for Easter Weekend


Me too. Embarassed
It continues to look very promising.
I booked a week in Val d'Isere 22-29 March yonks ago thinking I would be topping up my tan but maybe the powder board will have to be packed. snowHead

Check out the amount of precipitation on the 12z charts. Lots of dark blue and purple colours over the Alps. Fingers crossed it will be cold enough.



The 12z wigglies could be make for interesting viewing when they appear around 7pm.
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Frosty the Snowman, hd, to be clear... wetting ones pants is a good thing?
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hd wrote:


The 12z wigglies could be make for interesting viewing when they appear around 7pm.


LOL. The 12z wigglies for Wengen/Verbier ( 46/8 ) are indeed spectacular... not quite so good elsewhere, but still damn impressive...
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carled, Keep up the good news , I'm leaving work in Leicester in half an hour, then no more work for yonks and a ferry to catch on Friday evening. Wengen here we come. Toofy Grin snowHead snowHead snowHead snowHead
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carled, the Mothers of to St. Johann in Tirol on Sunday.

Am i right in thinking the likelyhood is for rain as she arrives which could turn into snow as the week progresses?
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The temperature here has risen very markedly - 3 degrees warmer now than at 4pm, and it's raining steadily. Rain, I should think, up to at least 1900m.
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carled, masmith, Now look what you've done! I interrupt admin part way through the cheese course, to ask your questions, and now I've been re-named Shocked Shocked Shocked

Oh well, back to the Karaoke "Somewhere, Over the Rainbow....." Laughing
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just stay away from the yellow snow road Shocked
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wigglies consistantly pointing to sustained "lower than average" temps through the end of March with decent top ups of snow following a warm blip around the 14th to 17th March Smile

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kitenski, yikes - that looks like a lot of rain on the 16th... Crying or Very sad
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red 27, looks like a one day blip to me, with a cold front bringing snow.

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Frosty the Snowman, hope you're right... my reading of these charts is rudimentary at best
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I am very impressed by everyones knowledge and informed comments. I have only just found this thread in recent times and can't be reading 45 pages!

Could someone just quickly advise what the various colours denote?

The vertical axis is temperature I presume?
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Peter Leuzzi, Hi Peter - briefly top line is temp, bottom is precipitation with spikes being lots and flatlining being none. Obviously the ideal is that a big spike happens in a cold phase - rare in my experience, as most of the moisture seems to come in off the Atlantic... THe 16th does look a little worrying to me, but I'm advised above that the moisture may be along the line of a cold front so rain turning to snow, which is good - I think! Smile

The various colours denote - I think - the various different computer models run by the various different forecasting organisations, with the grey line being the 'average'. Sometimes they differ wildly - in the graph above they're quite well aligned, on temp at least

As kitenski says it does look like a decent concensus for a cool down with some reasonable indications for some snowfall from around the 19th onwards... Suits me Very Happy

You off on another jaunt too?
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red 27, I think you are my best snowHead friend!

I get it now!!

Yes - the family is off on the 23rd to Obergurgl. Can you arrange for the winds to be kept down this time? The temperatures and precipitation for then are looking tres good to me.

You off?
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peter - read the sticky beginners guide to gfs...
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aw shucks - It's the experts on here that need the thanks... snowHead

Strangely wind doesn't seem to get a mention, although in high, exposed resorts like Obergurgle (and Cervinia wink ) it can royally mess things up.

I guess we're reliant on the 'punter' sites like Metcheck and Snow-Forecast to give us a steer, maybe with some help from the pressure charts from the good old BBC

and yes - Davos, 19th Very Happy
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Peter Leuzzi, Good point on the wind - a whole new dimension of worry and speculation. Now we all have a basic understanding of wigglies, and know the limitations of computer models, estimated snow depths, microclimatic effects and automated weather sites

and show appropriate respect to the readers of the runes....

... I think isobars should be our new obsession.... wink snowHead

C'mon Carled - will the wind speed at the top of Aiguille Rouge on Easter Saturday exceed the operating limit for the telecabine (28.5kph I believe)?
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.. I think isobars should be our new obsession...


Right. It was a retrograde step when the TV dumbed down the weather forecasts by removing all the pressure charts and talking asinine nursery rubbish. As my meteorology (sketchy) was learnt for sailing purposes the major focus was on isobars. I understand isobars and have a feel for what what winds and precipitation tend to do around fronts (in the UK, at any rate). But I don't know my way round the weather websites; if there are some sites which show projected pressure evolution over the Alps, along with frontal systems, I'd be very grateful for a pointer. I'd also be grateful for a reminder of where that precipitation radar can be found.
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pam w, this is one of the sites I use for aviation weather purposes. Look in the drop down box top left, it'll probably have what you need
http://www.euro.wx.propilots.net/
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pam w, Auntie also makes a stab at it....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/west_europe/pressure.shtml
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pam w, , This is one I use for sailing.

http://www.windguru.cz/int/
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Strangely wind doesn't seem to get a mention, although in high, exposed resorts like Obergurgle (and Cervinia ) it can royally mess things up.

red 27, the last time you said that to me pre-ski trip, I encountered 65kmh winds where I could ski sixteen times faster than normal in one direction, and touch my achilles heals with my forehead in the other (think about it Very Happy ). Due to the obvious Wind Gods that are snowHead and take on board these types of comments....please shut up about places with high winds Toofy Grin
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isobars available here

http://expert.weatheronline.co.uk/

and here

http://131.54.120.150/index.cfm?section=dspLoop&image=21OWS_EUROPE_FITL_PROG-BRIEFING_??
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Thanks - lots of nice links. I like that nice simple Auntie one. Some of the others won't load - because of my very poor line up a mountain miles from anywhere, I only have a few kb/s connection.
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Peter Leuzzi, Very Happy
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Your reporter live from Wengen. Arrived in amazingly good time. Love the "private airport" of Berne, straight onto the bus, straight to Lauberbrunnen, straight on train, in resort for 11:30am local time! Met Admin at VL, got lift passes sorted, did Pizza and beer at Sinas, went to Central and ambushed stab, met a few other departing snowheads and decided to have a run down from Kleine Scheidegg at the end of the day. Blimey it's slushy... very slushy. So looking at the forecast, precipitation amount disappearing, but what does fall tomorrow and Monday will be, I fear, rain at resort level...

c'est la vie. Beer is good, company is good, resort picturesque. Have also had tip off about where to find good snow tomorrow... so will probably bump into Stab there. Twisted Evil
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carled, Glad to hear you made it there OK. Your good friends at Snow Forecast are predicting low temps from Mon onwards and then a fair old dump Thurs/Fri - what do you reckon the chances of that are? How you get on on collecting passes, "nothing to worry about" would be a good answer.
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Let's hope this cold front brings rapidly dropping temperatures. The leading edge of it hit us, out of a fairly clear sky, about an hour ago, and it's pouring down, with temperature (at 1500m) still at 4 degrees. The wind preceding it was very, very, warm.

Today saw high cloud gathering from mid-day, just as forecast. Ring round the sun at 1 pm. But then it all cleared, not at all as forecast, around 5pm. And the air was definitely different from yesterday, though temperatures were very similar (ie extremely warm). Yesterday the hot air balloons were finding good rising air, looking very picturesque. Today, they couldn't get it up at all, and were subsiding floppily all over the pistes and having to be recovered by skidoo.

The snow-forecast outlook for the day turned out to be pretty well spot on. Meteo France (and the local forecast) got it wrong.

Still, Wales got the Grand Slam. snowHead
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Up early to drive into Geneva. That front was a very active one - thunder and lightning at 4 am by which time it was snowing, and there's a few inches of rather wet snow now. Temperature minus 1. (1500m). Shame the heavy rain earlier wasn't snow - but should be good higher up.
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