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goaty wrote:
carled, what are your weather forecasting credentials?
Who cares?! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad He evidences everything he says, that should be enough.
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Carled just make sure you let us know when you can reset up the stall Toofy Grin
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Fruity wrote:
Shocked Next you'll be telling me I didnt meet Santa in Lapland, last ski holiday.....please carled, tell me it's not true.... snowHead that webcam can't lie surely? NehNeh


Er... dunno... which webcam is that, you batty Nottingham lass? wink

I met Santa in Lapland too with my kids a few years ago. He had some damn cute elves working for him...
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carled wrote:
No worries. Yeah I'll be in Wengen from 15th-22nd, so although it'll be a warm start to our weeks, it should turn colder and end up with some fresh snowfalls to play with... fingers crossed. At least there's fresh snow going to be falling between now and then to keep the pistes topped up and that has to be good news. Very Happy


Thanks for the update, if it's wrong I'll hunt you down and cut off your donut supplies. Toofy Grin
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carled wrote:


Er... dunno... which webcam is that, you batty Nottingham lass? wink

I met Santa in Lapland too with my kids a few years ago. He had some damn cute elves working for him...


http://www.santaclauslive.com/

Obviously. rolling eyes rolling eyes

Back to the topic of weather or I'll get my smacked
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goaty wrote:
carled, what are your weather forecasting credentials?


bizarre question - are you envious of the babe magnetic effects of the use of terms metereological and want to know how you can start on the path of learning that might allow you to emulate the achievements of others? Or are you hoping to start another belligerent exchange on this thread. Its not the BBC here you know - it's a blooming light hearted forum (mostly!) - see the OP! rolling eyes
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kewhoward, i thinky goaty is a girl
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carled wrote:
.... the snow will arrive on or around the 9th, not the 11th and stay until the 13th on and off. Then a clear, warm period (without rain, fortunately) then a drop back down in temps and more snow around the 19th/20th = maybe a day or so before if the weather systems kick in a bit quicker. A bit of sunshine/clear skies in between the snow too.

Lots of freshies for MSB crew in Wengen! ....


After a forecast like that YOU DA MAN!

Seriously thanks for all the interpreting, it really does make fascinating reading. snowHead snowHead snowHead
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hang on guys, don't get TOO carried away yet...it's still a few days away, and can change pretty quickly...

Carled - I was reading La Ros, which has a lot less snow on the 9th...

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hang on guys, don't get TOO carried away yet...it's still a few days away, and can change pretty quickly...

Carled - I was reading La Ros, which has a lot less snow on the 9th...



Ah yes, you see this is symptomatic of the black/white of computer logic... La Ros is a couple of hundred km south-west of Wengen which puts it even more borderline in terms of that frontal system that's wading through. It'll only take a very minor atmospheric wobble Southwards for the models to show the precipitation in La Ros too. As it is, it shows it missing out slightly... it's also more affected by the protuberance of warm air that sweeps by around the 14th/15th as that is shown just missing Switzerland and Austria whilst firmly hitting France. Again, it's impossible (certainly at this range) to be so accurate about where the frontal systems will lie and, as we all know only too well, these things can change hugely at very short notice.

The fact that there is snow/cold/the odd bit of warmth around the whole alpine region means that the whole alpine region stands to get a shot at it all even if the models don't even see it coming. Microclimates exist that have all sorts of weird effects and you usually have to have lived in the area for 40 years and smell of goats to learn the local variations...
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carled wrote:
.... you usually have to have lived in the area for 40 years and smell of goats to learn the local variations...


I think a certain snowHead could possibly help you there wink Laughing Laughing Laughing
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carled, for those of us out over easter, what are we meant to do for forecasts whilst you're selfishly snowboarding in Wengen? Are you and Brian some sort of tag team? wink
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Steve Sparks wrote:
carled, for those of us out over easter, what are we meant to do for forecasts whilst you're selfishly snowboarding in Wengen? Are you and Brian some sort of tag team? wink


Dunno... sorry! I'll try and keep an eye on things if I can get internet access over there, ok? Brian is around and about - I've seen him post elsewhere, but has probably decided this thread has become too farcical for serious weather chaps like him... wink


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12z charts are out and are staying online for the snowfall for early next week... snowHead
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Drove through the Jura today. They have had some nice pretty snow - made the drive a great deal more enjoyable than the autoroute. But from Dijon south the sky was clear, no clouds at all, as far as the eye could see. Heard a ferocious Mediterranean shipping forecast on the car radio last night, and it was certainly blowing hard in Geneva with white caps across the lake and lots of spray. The combination of conditions down there felt a bit like a Mistral; not like our winds in England. And at least it's cold - minus 2 and dropping at 1500m and the snowcannons were on as soon as the pistes closed.

Now, in the past hour, some cloud has appeared. The kind of high cirrus ribbons which, where I come from, are likely to herald a front approaching but still a long way off. But round here, I can't read them properly.

There's not been much new snow here, just enough to make things look a bit fresh. Good to read of the likelihood of snow next week. snowHead
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Skiing on Mt Chery today, I noticed that Mt Blanc had its 'snowhat' cloud on. Les Gets had a cloudless day, but I could see streaks of cloud thickening by late afternoon much further to the south from the summit of MC. Thank you, carled, for all the brilliant interpretation, and the inspired/wacky delivery.
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Dare I be so bold to ask, but what does Easter hold? ( more specifically Austria, and even more specifically Obergurgl wink )

To be honest freshies arent my concern. Last easter we sweltered there in up to 20 degrees of freeze-thaw icy-slushfest and it wasn't great. Just hoping and praying for low temperatures.

Make me feel better please Smile
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Peter Leuzzi, at the moment it's looking (long range) very promising indeed for Easter. A trend to reduced temperatures is continually popping up, so watch this space but feel encouraged.
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Mt Blanc had its 'snowhat' cloud on


Hmm. Tiny bit of fluff, and nothing on the Aiguille Verte. Si L'Aiguille Verte ne veux pas, Mont Blanc ne peux pas". With possible errors of transcription of verbal info, that's what a French ski instructor once told me. I don't think it's imminent.... but it IS cold.
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Boo and, indeed, hoo. You sir, have cut me to the quick and no mistake... You're wasted here.
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llewiss, Judging from the quality of your 2 contributions to this forum so far, I do wonder whether the present government's 'care in the community' policy should be reconsidered. rolling eyes
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Total newbie here! Apologise in advance if I ask any dumb questions and I humbly standby for the Wrath of carled! Am off to Les Menuires on Saturday & have been "enjoying" the "will it, won't it" snow white knuckle ride! Thanks to everyone for their pearls of wisdom - FWIW I reckon carled has been way more accurate than snowguess.com who have consistently got my hopes up of a megadump only for them to be cruelly dashed. At least on this thread, as a complete weather novice, I can get some explanantion as to why that may be. Cheers guys and bon ski (or board.. if you must!) Toofy Grin
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Thanks cathy. May have lived the wrong side of the Channel for years but am still too English to be "neigetete"!
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I've been reading these pages now ages and other than my short post in support of Carled have not yet dipped my toes in.

Would it be cheeky to ask your opinion on the snow situation for Alpe D'Huez from the 15th onwards. I've know everyone is talking about big dumps on here but I imagine you guys are talking further north and east????

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, unless you are going to tell me there is a warm front moving up from the Sahara to drape the southern alps in summer heatwave.
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reded78, A bit hard to say at present. The current models are a bit of a double-edged sword. With the proximity of all the warm med air having a bit of a contretemps with the colder air over the alps, this is what's bringing in the dumps of rain/snow... depending on which side of the front you end up on, it's going to make the snow/rain line vary considerably. At the moment, Alpe D'Huez is the wrong side of the line come March 15th (as, to be honest, are much of the alps) and it's the only fly in the otherwise nice bit of ointment at present. With the dumps of snow due next week in colder temps, I'd settle for colder and drier air for the week from the 15th, but it looks, at present, as though the temps are going to be a bit warm for the first part of your week, cooling down towards the end with more snow/rain at lower levels around.

It is a fair way off and it'll just take a bit more strength in the polar airflow to knock the warmth a bit further South and spare us the high temps, but it's been slowly falling into agreement from a week or so back, so if it's going to change, I'd like it to start doing so sooner rather than later...
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goaty wrote:
carled, what are your weather forecasting credentials?


Bonsoir, tout le monde wink

Absolutely pmsl. Laughing

Like you and me, goaty, he's a punter on an internet ski forum. wtf were you expecting ? Michael feckin Fish ? Laughing Laughing Laughing wink rolling eyes
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brian, you're back, where have you been? Somewhere nice I hope Very Happy
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I think he is still somewhere nice snowHead
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T Bar, Ah, sounds very nice Smile
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brian, Bonsoir, hope you're having a great time! carled's song and dance routine is fantastic, but it'd be great to have the entire double act back on stage again. Toofy Grin
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The rollercoaster of constantly checking the weather in prep for my trip to La Ros on Sunday...

carled wrote:

La Ros is a couple of hundred km south-west of Wengen which puts it even more borderline in terms of that frontal system that's wading through.

Boooo!!!! Sad
carled wrote:

It'll only take a very minor atmospheric wobble Southwards for the models to show the precipitation in La Ros too.

Yay!!!!!
carled wrote:

As it is, it shows it missing out slightly... it's also more affected by the protuberance of warm air that sweeps by around the 14th/15th

Boooo!!!! Sad
carled wrote:

Again, it's impossible (certainly at this range) to be so accurate about where the frontal systems will lie and, as we all know only too well, these things can change hugely at very short notice.

... the wait and the excitement of the rollercoaster goes on Very Happy

Another day of checking to watch where those wiggles and wobbles are going... thanks again to the bods out there putting the words behind the charts!
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You fickle bunch... as soon as the master turns up you're all over him. Pah. wink

In retaliation, I'm going to upset some of you MSB'ers a little bit, I'm afraid. The wigglies are starting to come within reliable timeframe for the MSB and they're showing a worrying amount of agreement for warmth midway through your week - look:



So from Tuesday into Wednesday you can see that there's a distinct possibility of that last of the spikes of precipitation falling as rain in resort as opposed to snow. It's also, due to a big low pressure system tracking across Europe, going to be a bit on the breezy side at times, I'm afraid. There is a faint crumb of a chance of relief from this warmth in that the high-res run (the thick green line) is showing a plunge back down in temps after a couple of days... but as you can see above, it doesn't have *too* much support for this eventuality just yet. It is usually the first "wiggly" to spot upcoming changes, so it might happen...

However, the snowfall on the back end of the 9th into the 11th is still looking promising enough to fall down to resort level before the snowline moves back up again (as things stand) into Wednesday.

Elsewhere, more central and Southern parts of France are showing a similar pattern to above, with a chance of good snowfall from the back of the weekend for a few days, then a warm-up for a few days then a real chance of a cold plunge and significant snowfall from the following weekend on really. Easter week is starting to look like it could be a very good week indeed.

Further over East into Austria there's not quite so much precipitation showing up, but again the same period of warmth from the 11th to the 16th or thereabouts is showing, before the return to cooler temperatures and more snow.

Further East still into KG and it's showing pretty much nailed-on average temps for the period until mid-next week then the same warmth spike until early the following week. The high-res run, interestingly, has a far higher precipitation (should be snowfall) spike around the 11th/12th than any of the other wigglies. Absolutely no support whatsoever from any of the other runs, but it thinks it's seen something... will be interesting to watch developmenents for a couple of days.
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will this be heading south to the alps?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/07/nweather107.xml

and for anyone interested in a UK based weather chat, by windsurfers, then look here. Already chatting about this deep low coming in

http://www.boards.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19703&TPN=6
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carled, Thanks for all the prognostications. Setting off in an hour so will soon be able to check their accuracy first hand! Keep an eye on Leicester next week for me willya! snowHead Cheers! Laughing
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waynos wrote:
will this be heading south to the alps?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/07/nweather107.xml

and for anyone interested in a UK based weather chat, by windsurfers, then look here. Already chatting about this deep low coming in

http://www.boards.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19703&TPN=6


Nope. The Low Pressure system itself stays North and peters out quite quickly. Knock on effects will see windy conditions across the alps though.
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carled, We still love you too Blush I'm heading off this afternoon so I can check it out first hand as well. I'm so excited!!! Very Happy
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