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Martin Nicholas, you're a star. That is VERY useful. Thanks.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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IncogSkiSno, Any more news?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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IncogSkiSno, Great news 
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IncogSkiSno, Great news. Good luck with the deaf ears! 
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Sat 22-12-07 21:01; edited 1 time in total
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I've wore a helmet for over a year now, I count myself lucky that I've never had a head injury, but I knew I was pushing my luck.
I'd had a couple of incidents, bad light, bigger mound than I realised, backwards fall, banged head & seen stars. Both times I thought I would get concussion, but, I didn't, I got away with it. But you have to realise, that one day your luck will run out.
Most people wouldn't dream of going mountain biking without a helmet, but many ski or board without one, and often go faster.
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My brother in law was a beginner, who let go of the button lift too soon, first time up. Second time, he remembered to hang on - but hung on too long. It lifted him clean off his feet, and eventually he fell off backwards, bashing his head. Because he had previously had surgery for a non malignant brain tumour I had tentatively suggested that, if he wanted to have a go at skiing, he should borrow my helmet. Thankfully he happily accepted. He was mildly concussed. "Lost" the time immediately before and after the accident, was vomitting, feely very poorly. the doctor was very good, looked at all sorts of reflexes etc and told me what to watch out for - said to call an ambulance to take him to albertville for a scan if he showed any symptoms such as confusion, etc. He was OK after 24 hours, but didn't do any more skiing, as he was starting a new job the following week and didn't want to take any chances. The doctor told me that, as he had had a helmet on, it was very improbable that he would have hit his head hard enough to cause more than mild concussion. But without it, who knows? That was a beginner, having the sort of fall which any beginner could have, and he was concussed, even with the helmet. You don't have to be a park rat, or speed merchant, to clobber yourself badly. IncogSkiSno I hope your son realises what a scare he gave you, and that this time he was lucky. And that you all have a good family trip next year.
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IncogSkiSno, Glad to hear that he is OK and that the family will be kitted out with appropriate headgear for the next trip 
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| Julieanne wrote: |
I am also tempted to get body armour--been looking on google--any recommendations? Last February an out-of-control skier crashed into me-- and it took 8 weeks to recover from my rib injury. So I don't want to take any chances this season..  |
I've been having similar thoughts. Last season I fell on my back quite carelessly and was winded pretty bad and bruised the back. Caused a scare to me and a friend of mine but all went out well. My friend asked if I was going to get a back guard and I kinda shrugged it off, but I'm wondering to myself if I should or not... I guess to some extent we don't want to restrict our movement too much and this is maybe why people don't like helmets.
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Im glad he is ok.
Take some heart in that this thread finally persuaded my brother to get a helmet.
We went down to snow and rock yesterday and got him a giro g10. Very impressive helmet.
Highly recommend.
Only trouble is , if he never bangs his head by the end of the season, he wants me to pay for it!
tux
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Based on a statistical sampling of all the falls our family of 6 have suffered over 5 seasons skiing I would say OUR most likely accidents are:
1) (by a significant margin) Wrist injury to boarder
2) bruised ribs
3) Dislocated thumb (no longer use pole straps)
4) bumps and bruises (i.e. minor falls nothing serious)
No head injuries minor or otherwise.
On that basis, wrist braces for the boarders seemed sensible (and have been used since last year), body armour could make sense, pole straps are out.
Ok small sample I know, but them's the facts.
Does anyone know of a shop where I could try on the Ribcap range of d3o headgear?
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You know it makes sense.
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| we don't want to restrict our movement too much |
well no, but helmets don't restrict movement at all.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Timmaah wrote: |
we don't want to restrict our movement too much
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Understandable, and for back protectors, I would suggest looking at several different brands as styles do vary, and that extends to the way they are hinged. I know mine is very flexible, light, and moves with me. I forget it's there, so the claims that they are bad because they make you feel invincible don't really make sense to me!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| claims that they are bad because they make you feel invincible don't really make sense to me! |
I seem to recall that kind of claim being made when seatbelts in cars first appeared on the scene. But nobody says that now (do they?) and you don't really hear that kind of arguments about, say, hard hats for canoeing, or motorcycling, or climbing. It's perfectly logical for someone to decide that they are not at very high risk of a serious head injury skiing, and they are therefore going to run the risk, rather than bother with a helmet. We all run avoidable risks every day. But a lot of other arguments people put up (e.g. about restricting range of movement, or "it'd make me ski like a madman" just seem very strange.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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pam w, Totally agree with you, both on the " It's perfectly logical for someone to decide that they are not at very high risk of a serious head injury skiing" point and the "it'd make me ski like a madman" seeming strange.
I believe, (and I think the evidence to date supports this belief) That my risk of a head injury, serious or otherwise, while skiing is relatively low. Lower for example than my risk of a broken limb or bruised rib, and probably lower than my risk of a back or ligament injury. If that is correct then to wear head protection and NOT wear body armour would be inconsistent with my assessment of the risks I face.
That said, if head protection is comfortable, affordable, and easy to carry around (like a ribcap hat) , and does nothing to reduce my enjoyment, NOT wearing it would also seem illogical.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yep, the beauty of good protective equipment is bthat you forget you are wearing it.
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AxsMan,
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I believe, (and I think the evidence to date supports this belief) That my risk of a head injury, serious or otherwise, while skiing is relatively low. Lower for example than my risk of a broken limb or bruised rib, and probably lower than my risk of a back or ligament injury. If that is correct then to wear head protection and NOT wear body armour would be inconsistent with my assessment of the risks I face.
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I can see where you're coming from but protecting your head protects something inside it which if even slightly damaged could have more profound effects on you than damage to what you might keep in other bits of you!
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I'm actually a bit surprise at the number of "banged heads" here. Perhaps a self-selected group? How many of you are boarders?
I took a boarding lesson some years back. On day one, I banged my head numerous times so I had to hired a helmet at lunch time just so I could continue without pain. But I've skied 10 years prior to taking that boarding lesson. I could not recall ever fall on my head!
For skiers, we tend to fall sideways due to the way we stand on our "borad". We simply have a hard time to fall backward. In most fall, skiers tend to hit their hip and shoulder first before the head ever contact the ground, if at all.
I totally agree with the helmet being comfortable (and warm) part. I thank boarders for making helmet affordable and the many choices we have now. But since I did not take up boarding in the end, the only sign of demage on my helmet so far is a scratch by the edge of the ski when I'm shouldering it! 
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| abc wrote: |
| For skiers, we tend to fall sideways due to the way we stand on our "borad". We simply have a hard time to fall backward. |
I've managed to do it quite successfully on several occasions. The only time I've really hurt myself was a high speed wipeout where I landed heavily on my back, head pointing down the hill. As I landed my head snapped back and hit the piste very firmly - resulting in mild concussion and a decision to buy a helmet after prevaricating for a couple of seasons.
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| pam w wrote: |
| .................and you don't really hear that kind of arguments about, say, hard hats for canoeing, or motorcycling, or climbing. ....... |
I have worn a military aircrew helmet, a building-site helmet, a motor cyclist's helmet - and used to wear a caver's one when I rock climbed. Substantial things - in contrast to the Scott skier's helmet I own.
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| AxsMan wrote: |
pam w, I believe, (and I think the evidence to date supports this belief) That my risk of a head injury, serious or otherwise, while skiing is relatively low. Lower for example than my risk of a broken limb or bruised rib, and probably lower than my risk of a back or ligament injury. If that is correct then to wear head protection and NOT wear body armour would be inconsistent with my assessment of the risks I face.
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This is true, but recovering from a broken limb, as Slikedges points out, is a totally different matter to recovering from a head injury and potentially brain damage 
I understand your reluctance all too well, but my son's narrrow escape has really convinced me (he is a snowboarder BTW) my daughter also banged her head a few seasons back too, though for her it was just a case of a headache and seeing stars for a while. My son, after hitting his head, didn't even know where he was and didn't know his way back down the piste, fortunately his friends were around, and he followed one of them. However, things could have been very different.
Personally, I would like to see all Instructors wearing helmets, as I really believe they are the example we all follow.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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AxsMan, Thanks - he even thinks helmets are cool now, and is already telling me what type he wants 
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Wow. What an excellent thread.
IncogSkiSno, great to know your son has recovered: with 3 days of amnesia that was certainly one nasty knock.
My kids wore helmets from day one. I didn't.
Then Tom started asking when he would be able to stop wearing a helmet.
That got me thinking. If he wore one: why not me?
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission seemed to think helmets a good idea.
So I got one as well. Never regretted it.
And both kids now quite happy to continue wearing theirs.
As pointed out above: tendons can be repaired, bones can heal. Not so with a damaged brain.
A damaged brain is for life.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Anyone have an opinion/expeirence on full face helmets. I have been told they can be dangerous,
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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jtr, it took several years to persuade my wife to wear a helmet (despite myself and our three sons wearing them). I think what finally "sold" her was when we found one the right colour 
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Nick L, there's a lot of truth in that. Many helmets are UGLY!
So for those who have yet to hit their head, it's a hard sell to put such an ugly lid on top of their head.
I ended up with a junior helmet. That's the only one that's not black and doesn't make me look like a stupid teenage dork. It still doens't go with my jacket, but at least it doesn't clash. It's even the same colour of (one of) my skis!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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i will wear my helmet again this year, if I am making thw kids wear one I can't not
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| tuxpoo wrote: |
Only trouble is , if he never bangs his head by the end of the season, he wants me to pay for it!
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On April 31st just give him a good whak on the head!
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I therefore cannot see the point in comparing climbing and moor cycle helmets with skiing helmets, as pam w did.
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achilles, I wasn't comparing the helmets. I was comparing the arguments used about them and suggesting that nobody seems to argue that wearing a helmet for building, or climbing, or canoeing, is likely to make them feel invincible and be reckless. The chunkiness, or otherwise, of the helmets is irrelevant.
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| pam w wrote: |
| ..........The chunkiness, or otherwise, of the helmets is irrelevant. |
Not when you hit something.
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| Timmaah wrote: |
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Understandable, and for back protectors, I would suggest looking at several different brands as styles do vary, and that extends to the way they are hinged. I know mine is very flexible, light, and moves with me. I forget it's there, so the claims that they are bad because they make you feel invincible don't really make sense to me! |
Can you say what brand your back protector is?
I have looked at some on the internet--- but would prefer to have a recommended brand--and a "forget it's there" lightness.
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Yesterday I saw a pisteur wearing a helmet. First time I've seen that.
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