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Alex A, where were you during your seasons? If you were actively surveying the alps personally then you can make such a statement and I will look forward to your data. If not...
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carled, mate, don't take it personally. You are definitely and unquestionably a shining light in a meteorological wilderness.
Jeez, even I paid snow-fore-hope this year (just cost their pictures were longer than metchecks at the time, of woe poor fool I am).
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
| Alex A, where were you during your seasons? If you were actively surveying the alps personally then you can make such a statement and I will look forward to your data. If not... |
Tignes, Squaw Valley (x2), Chamonix and La Plagne.
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I with Carled, he from Midlands. Midlands good.
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carled, oh, right. Jolly good. Whatever. Just you keep posting, it makes each day brighter for me, whether it snows or not. (Hope Brian's OK, btw, and that his silence denotes that he's busy skiing.)
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I've heard (and seen the wigglies) that it's going to put down around 10cm on Sunday near Geneva. Should I put on snow chains BEFORE I leave Geneva or wait til I'm in a blizzard? I'm so excited I could wee!
Sorry but this thread has descended into such madness I felt I could ask 
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AllyK,  at the so excited I could ...... bit.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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AllyK,
I'm no expert... (Alex A probably is though... cheap shot, I know and I love it...) but I wouldn't think you'd want to drive far on non-snowy roads with snow chains on. Practise putting the little bleeders on... actually, just go and whack your knuckles against a brick wall a few times until they're sore and bloody, then you've pretty much experienced putting the chains on - it'll become easier after that.
Wait until we get to Thursday and go through the agony of watching it change from 10cm to 2cm to 0cm to 25cm back to 10cm again first...
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Alex A, OK, so by your own admission you were unavailable to make your own observations on, inter alia and not always synchronously,...
Utah, Montana, Austria, Italy, particularly Aoste, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Greenland (yes, I have a friend who has ski reported from there), Iceland (not entirely sure who cares, but...), etc. So you make some very strong assertions that are so far backed up by extremely limited observation...
just a pasing thought... 
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You know it makes sense.
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| parallel lines wrote: |
carled,
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Me? Yeah, of course I "own" the thread... nice one. Good grief what a bell-end.
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Not quite all true - I think you probably only have ownership rights to about 30% of the thread............. - The bell-end bit totally unquestionable!!
Maybe time to ignore 'Mary' and talk to the believers............ |
psssst... the "of course I own the thread" bit was deeply ironic and tongue in cheek... did that not come across... ? damn.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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carled, I have gained sage status in the pub, off your efforts, never crediting you naturally.
I have seen too many quality contributers here drift away through, pedants, cynics, and sarcastic trolls, hang in.
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Poster: A snowHead
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carled,
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| carled...I have seen too many quality contributers here drift away through, pedants, cynics, and sarcastic trolls, hang in. |
But YOUR pedantry, cynicism and sarcasm we love. Well, I do anyway. And yes, your irony was perfectly clear.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Practise putting the little bleeders on... actually, just go and whack your knuckles against a brick wall a few times until they're sore and bloody, then you've pretty much experienced putting the chains on - it'll become easier after that. |
Sorry, I'm no meteo expert, or even remotely knowledgeable, but I am Queen of the Snow Chains. No need for pain, just practice, and don't panic. I can get mine on in a few minutes, fast enough not to need gloves. Usually...
One point about seasons is that different skiers have different needs. Most holiday skiers want to ski on well prepared pistes, with nothing showing through, under blue skies, preferably not too cold. That's what they've had for an unusually high proportion (statement based on nothing but personal observation) of days this season.
The NIVOSE in Les Saisies must have had a blip last night, just before I went to bed; a big snowball sat on the detector perhaps (I don't know how the NIVOSE stations work, and if anyone does, would love to know, haven't been able to find it on Meteo France). They had a bit of snow, but not much. Should have known better than to get excited. 
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This thrad is becoming like the iphone thread, lots of talk about anything but the topic 
Anyone care to talk about forthcoming weather?
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Just an advanced warning for those of a nervous disposition... the operational run (e.g. the one used for, I think, most of the "prediction sites" like Metcheck and snow-forecast) is a "warm outlier" for large parts of the run. This means that it (see pic below) is out on its own at the warm end of the wigglies for some reason only known to itself. The slight apprehension about this situation is that the operation run is done at far higher resolution than the other runs, so it often represents a more accurate picture of the forecast... but where it has little to no support from all the other wigglies (think of the People's Front of Judea... SPLITTER!) it is LESS likely to happen, but not impossible. Just something to keep an eye on over the coming days for the mid-March period to see if the other runs continue to give it the cold shouder or whether they start to see it as the cool kid on the block and begin to hang out with it.
Therefore I expect any sites using the operation run as their main data input will, when reflecting the 00z run, have rather high freezing levels for the period concerned. It'll probably swing back again by the time the 6z appears... hopefully...
Oh, found a good "basics" site from the good old Beeb. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/weatherwise/factfiles/ has a wealth of info and of particular interest is the bit on frontal systems, explaining the basics of warm air being undercut by cold air in different ways, which is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/weatherwise/factfiles/basics/weathersys_fronts.shtml
Also this: http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/kingworc/departments/geography/nottingham/atmosphere/pages/frontsalevel.html on fronts and this: http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/kingworc/departments/geography/nottingham/atmosphere/pages/depressionsalevel.html on depressions is interesting reading and it looks like it comes from the a-level geography syllabus!
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Carled/Brian/Pam/Anyone else I've not mentioned - All your time/effort and updates are truly appreciated!! I spend everyday on here watching for the weather updates.. I think it's cos I need the pleasure/pain rollercoaster ride in my day!! Every year I 'worry' whether we'll have any snow, and every year (including 2007) we trun up and guess what?? We can ski!! Is that not the reason why we go each year? This season has been great, and we had a marvellous week in Jan!! Whether it was better than any previous years or not.. Am not sure I care!! There was powder.. pizza.. and beer. FAB!!!
I'm taking my 9 year old son for his first ever ski trip on Sat to Scheffau.. Forecast looks iffy.. snow report looks sketchy.. webcams look white.. I want it to be his best hol ever (Single Dad.. first hol with him).. His response - "Don't care what the weather is like.. I want to learn how to ski with you dad, I want to go sledging, and I want to bombard you with snowballs". Stuff the weather.. I wanna have some fun godamnit!!
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Here's a thought - anybody who has no interest in trout slapping and other non technical banter on this thread should just scan for the graphical wiggly posts and therefore avoid being irritated by the banter that many of the rest of us enjoy. As far as I'm concerned Carled is very welcome to own this thread (though hopefully Brian will return to help fuel the educated debate). Roll on run 6z (whatever that means) 
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Just a quick report from your roving reporter on the ground (well 2 floors up in her office ) that it's only just stopped snowing having been blizzarding overnight and all morning. We now have a good 6 inches or so on the ground here at 640m altitude, which ought to be promising for higher up (esp MSBers)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Bejeesus... just been tracking through the 6z GFS run on precipitation. If this run comes off then we're going to lose half the MSB lot under several feet of snow... I expect the wigglies when they come out in a bit to be showing quite a spike around next... well... Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday really. Looks like a stalled system smack bang in the right place. Vis will be atrocious but the snow will be awesome... A *teensy* bit on the warm side, but the deluge should force the snow line down, so should be ok for 1200-1500m and above, at least.
However... what are the chances of the GFS spotting, one week out, the exact location of the weather systems down to a couple of hundred km... we can only hope...
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carled, Excellent work! could you please arrange for the deepest snow to fall at the top of Mannlichen, as that is a convenient starting point in the mornings. Cheers.
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You know it makes sense.
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| carled wrote: |
| Garmisch-Partenkirchen (Zugpitze) where we were last year has had 73cm in the last 24 hours... top that! |
Pah! I'm not impressed. Now if it were where I am going next week..... 
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cathy, where are you going next week then?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| eng_ch wrote: |
| cathy, where are you going next week then? |
Go about 8 posts up...
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If I am reading things correctly(which I may well not be???)and I know its a long way off, but around Tues 18 March there is a nice mediterranean low pushing up from below the alps, where it bashes straight into a northerly cold snap which could be great timing for those going out to the alps for easter.
Early days yet but worth keeping an eye on me thinks.
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eng_ch, as carled says - Kitzbuhel 
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This'll be the "spike" I was on about then... 6z wigglies just appeared. Not liking the warm bit hitting around the weekend of 15th March (ie just as I go out there...) but it seems to show signs of a good cool off and, as Hedley says, there's a Med storm possible around then that could have some interesting effects...
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Hmmm... I'm getting a bit confused about where we're looking at with these charts. I know they're quite a general area, but carled, your last two charts are at Long. 8 and 7 - where are we looking at here?
For the last few weeks I've been watching the chart for 46/13 thinking it was approximately the Kitzbühel area (I'm out there 15th-22nd March)... have I got lost?!
A propos... anyone got a good way of finding lat/long coordinates for resorts?
Alex (F)[/b]
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AlexF, I use Wikipedia which seems to have most of the co-ordinates. Usually in the RH box on each resort page.
I have this bookmarked for Switzerland. Hope that helps a bit.
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AlexF, the sticky thread of forecasting gives 47/13 for the Kitzbuhel area
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Hmmm... I'm getting a bit confused about where we're looking at with these charts. I know they're quite a general area, but carled, your last two charts are at Long. 8 and 7 - where are we looking at here?
For the last few weeks I've been watching the chart for 46/13 thinking it was approximately the Kitzbühel area (I'm out there 15th-22nd March)... have I got lost?!
A propos... anyone got a good way of finding lat/long coordinates for resorts?
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Google: lat long <resort> works a charm...
Geneva is 46/6 ish
Verbier is 46/7-ish
Zermatt is 46/8-ish
Kitz is 47.5/12.5 - there are approx 90km per degree of longitude at the latitudes in question and about 110km per degree of latitude. Hence you can see now why the wiggly charts showing whole degrees are a bit tough to pinpoint to a particular area!
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trying not to get excited about the MASSIVE DUMP that seems to be showing up for Tues/Weds next week
too far ahead to tell...
too far ahead to tell...
too far ahead to tell...
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carled, All good stuff on here, many thanks for the time that you take.
I've no idea what it all means , but I'm sure my mega risk mid April trip will be just fine!!
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